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As no doubt we are all aware Sir Tim Hunt has had to resign from an honorary position at University College London and from committees at the Royal Society, after addressing a meeting of women science journalists, saying, “the trouble with girls†in science was “three things happen when they are in the lab . . . You fall in love with them, they fall in love with you and when you criticise them, they cryâ€.

 

Now personally I think this pretty stupid and a not very funny joke but I agree with Richard Dawkins when he says the last week has been “nothing less than a feeding frenzy of mob-rule selfrighteousnessâ€.

 

Apart from anything else it's hugely hypocritical and as Nassim Taleb, professor of risk engineering at New York University, points out quite scathingly.

 

“It is easy to be politically correct under no skin-in-the game, when it represents no personal risk, or doesn’t harm one’s profits,†he said. He added that the behaviour of British universities was also deeply hypocritical, given that one of the largest donors to British academia was Saudi Arabia, “where women can’t drive and bloggers are whipped and jailed.

 

“They gladly take the money. But the administration of UCL takes it out on a defenceless 72-year-old scientist who doesn’t represent any danger and potential profit. This is a combination of hypocrisy, cowardice and prostitution.â€

 

To add insult to injury Professor Hunt's wife Mary Collins, herself a professor at UCL, has said that on the day the story broke she received a phone call from the university asking him to resign. At the time the Prof. was still on a plane flying back from Seoul.

 

I find the whole episode a farce but it leaves a very bad taste.

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I guarantee that if a female scientist made similarly disparaging remarks about men, it would barely get a mention.

 

While his comments were pretty stupid, the mass hysteria resulting from it were just as daft.

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I guarantee that if a female scientist made similarly disparaging remarks about men, it would barely get a mention.

 

While his comments were pretty stupid, the mass hysteria resulting from it were just as daft.

Agree - it's muchado about nothing - which one of us is absolutely perfect in actions and speech?

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While his comments were pretty stupid, the mass hysteria resulting from it were just as daft.

 

I agree!

 

One of the best illustrations of "political correctness gone mad" you could find. It was a poor attempt at a joke that backfired badly. An apology should have sufficed.

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Boring joke that wasn't that funny, but that's not the issue. The issue is that we are fast losing free speech in pretty much everywhere except for our homes. We have given so much attention and privileges to these special snowflake “oppressed†groups that they really just don't deserve. It's scary just how far Universities in particular are going down this route of Marxist theory when they deal with social dynamics within campuses. They are so far in that they don't realise they are becoming the people they hate and rant about.

 

http://postimg.org/image/8fkyaikfl/

 

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/culturehousedaily/2015/02/does-safe-space-actually-mean-racially-segregated-space/

 

There was a high profile case with some vile creature called Bahar Mustafa who was as racist as you can get. She said some horrible things including kill all whites, but because that racism was directed at white people she didn't even get suspended and she kept her role as a diversity officer.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/11633305/University-union-officer-who-wrote-kill-all-white-men-tweet-will-remain-in-post.html

 

The worrying thing is in that article is a ridiculous definition of racism that a generation of students is starting to genuinely believe and universities do nothing to stop them -

 

“She then defended her position by stating that she could not be racist because she is an ethnic minority woman.â€

 

This whole social justice thing is only going to get crazier.

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I guarantee that if a female scientist made similarly disparaging remarks about men, it would barely get a mention.

 

While his comments were pretty stupid, the mass hysteria resulting from it were just as daft.

 

Yep. Personally rather than any sort of possibly offensive jokes being completely out of the question, I'd like to see everyone having a bit more of a sense of humour and humour directed at the opposite sex being treated equally.

 

In other words men can tell jokes about women and vice versa and as long as they are not terribly offensive everyone should just be able to laugh at it and move on like adults rather than trying desperately hard to be offended by everything.

 

His remark was inappropriate but it was hardly the most offensive thing ever and he should no way have resigned over it.

 

The sad thing is if other women and I express that view in the presence of the terminally offended women it apparently means we have repressed sexism and our opinions don't count.

 

 

 

Regarding the funding from Saudi Arabia, money talks louder than integrity, sadly.

 

FWIW, i think the terminally offended brigade are in the minority, they just happen to shout the loudest.

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Yep. Personally rather than any sort of possibly offensive jokes being completely out of the question, I'd like to see everyone having a bit more of a sense of humour and humour directed at the opposite sex being treated equally.

 

In other words men can tell jokes about women and vice versa and as long as they are not terribly offensive everyone should just be able to laugh at it and move on like adults rather than trying desperately hard to be offended by everything.

 

His remark was inappropriate but it was hardly the most offensive thing ever and he should no way have resigned over it.

 

The sad thing is if other women and I express that view in the presence of the terminally offended women it apparently means we have repressed sexism and our opinions don't count.

 

 

 

Regarding the funding from Saudi Arabia, money talks louder than integrity, sadly.

 

FWIW, i think the terminally offended brigade are in the minority, they just happen to shout the loudest.

 

I think the Twitter reaction was the right way to go about it. Images of female scientists putting signs in their labs mocking the remarks ("Warning: Crying women" for example).

 

What irritates me though is that faux outrage like we saw with this undermines the fight against genuine discrimination, and those fighting it get lumped into the same "PC brigade" as envisaged by some groups.

 

I actually saw an advert not so long ago that said "so easy, even a man can do it" - where's the outrage towards that? Change "man" for "woman" and there would be outrage. The double standards are pretty shocking.

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Just because someone is clever doesn't mean they can't also be a pillock. However, being a pillock is not a hanging offence - especially by a lynch mob of twits.

 

We have a situation in this country where a Government Minister (Alastair Campbell) can lie during an election campaign, defame Scotland's First Minister, cause a diplomatic incident with the French and yet it takes a public crowdfunded appeal to drag him screaming and kicking through the Courts while the Lib Dems in particular and the Unionist cabal in general defend and protect him. Now that is obscene!

 

I have a suspicion that someone, somewhere wanted Sir Tim gone and it has little to do with his idiotic remark. It's all just too convenient this happened while he was away and unable to defend himself.

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There are many problems in this world, unfortunately people tend to pick the fights that they will win rather than the ones which can really make a difference. Tim Hunt was just one man who told a stupid anecdotal joke at a conference. It was inappropriate and deserved some kind of punishment through out modern world of twitter jokes and memes, but not to lose his job.

There are bigger fish to fry when it comes to womens rights, unfortunately they tend to get ignored or in the case of Saudi Arabia at least the establishment seems to defend these countries due to the revenue they bring in, it is not the first time this has came up as a posted a story about a Swedish foreign minister landing in hot water after speaking out against Saudi Arabia and its womens rights.

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While I agree that it was a) an unfunny joke and b) the request to resign was out of proportion to the crime, I do think that people NEED TO THINK before they open their mouths.  A conference in Korea may not be the best place for a pants example of male wit.  Furthermore, anyone in the public domain, however old and respectable, needs to realise that anything they do or say is one click away from social media.  You don't have to be politically correct or politically corrected, but think first, speak second.  Simples.

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I actually saw an advert not so long ago that said "so easy, even a man can do it" - where's the outrage towards that? Change "man" for "woman" and there would be outrage. The double standards are pretty shocking.

Not to mention the countless other adverts and sitcoms/TV programs etc that routinely portray men as clueless, bumbling idiots and women as the sharp, witty antidote.

Not that I'm at all bothered by it. Just an observation.

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I Have 3 separate projects on going at 3 separate universities in different parts of the country and the list of dos and don'ts is quite staggering in what you can say or do. Some are fairly straight forward expectation of any working environment like no swearing no smoking on campus no fraternisation with students etc. However at one university our employees have been told refrain from even looking at female students if they walk past or are on their lunch break or when we are on our lunch break..we have been told to 'avert' our gaze and not make any eye contact with any females. There was an instance where a previous contractor had been taking to task by the university as the principle had received an email from an irate female student that one of the workers had looked at her as she walked to a lecture.

 

I know what people are thinking here well its builders they are all letches and an uncouth rabble but its simply not the case. Also there are no rules about looking at male students or students looking at us.

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Well I think builders have to kept in check. This business of standing there showing a fair amount of cheek and wolf whistling at passing women simply isn't on.

 

 

After one woman went to the police after being wolf-whistled, some on social media have called for the act to be declared a sexual offence. Martin Daubney explains why that would be a mistake

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11570313/Why-we-must-not-criminalise-wolf-whistling.html

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Well I think builders have to kept in check. This business of standing there showing a fair amount of cheek and wolf whistling at passing women simply isn't on.

 

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11570313/Why-we-must-not-criminalise-wolf-whistling.html

tar and brushes come to mind here

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There was an instance where a previous contractor had been taking to task by the university as the principle had received an email from an irate female student that one of the workers had looked at her as she walked to a lecture.

 

 

<Joke Alert>

Why, was she upset that he looked but didn't deem her worthy of a whistle?

 

Personally, if I could find someone to send an irate email to to complain that not enough women are looking at me I would.

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Well I think builders have to kept in check. This business of standing there showing a fair amount of cheek and wolf whistling at passing women simply isn't on.

 

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11570313/Why-we-must-not-criminalise-wolf-whistling.html

Well I'd agree with that, but I also agree that the post above sounds quite over the top. He's not on about wolf whistling, just looking up to make sure your not in some ones way and accidentally making eye contact with a females eyes could get you in trouble, if it really is as strict as written.

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I Have 3 separate projects on going at 3 separate universities in different parts of the country and the list of dos and don'ts is quite staggering in what you can say or do. Some are fairly straight forward expectation of any working environment like no swearing no smoking on campus no fraternisation with students etc. However at one university our employees have been told refrain from even looking at female students if they walk past or are on their lunch break or when we are on our lunch break..we have been told to 'avert' our gaze and not make any eye contact with any females. There was an instance where a previous contractor had been taking to task by the university as the principle had received an email from an irate female student that one of the workers had looked at her as she walked to a lecture.

 

I know what people are thinking here well its builders they are all letches and an uncouth rabble but its simply not the case. Also there are no rules about looking at male students or students looking at us.

 

Dare I ask but was this a uni with a high Muslim population of students?

 

I ask because someone I know was holding a specialist lecture in one of the London unis that has a high Muslim student population and was sent a similar letter. Anyway the students got wind of it and there was a bit of an uproar because they thought it was completely ridiculous.

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I don't normally subscribe to the 'political-correctness gone mad' argument; but, in this case, I have had a hard job looking for any alternative interpretation...It's all been very silly, imo: if someone wants to make a pathetic joke then so be it. Freedom of speech is, after all, a double-edged sword.

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Dare I ask but was this a uni with a high Muslim population of students?

 

I ask because someone I know was holding a specialist lecture in one of the London unis that has a high Muslim student population and was sent a similar letter. Anyway the students got wind of it and there was a bit of an uproar because they thought it was completely ridiculous.

 

Another negative consequence of such action is that the minorities themselves get the blame for the ridiculous rules, despite (I imagine) most of them really not giving a damn either way. It's a bit like the myth that Christmas is banned in some councils because Muslims are all offended by it - utter nonsense.

 

Being offended on behalf of others, and taking constant offence where none was intended are both highly damaging to social progress.

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Yup we live in a world of positive discrimination. Is it any better no it isn't.

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The only ones who should resign are the fascist bigots who asked Hunt to resign .....  

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Yup we live in a world of positive discrimination. Is it any better no it isn't.

 

 

The term positive discrimination is nonsensical. In every case of discrimination there is a beneficiary and someone who loses out. In 1950s America it was positive discrimination to white people and negative discrimination to black people. Today minorities are positively discriminated for and therefore white people lose out. So the correct term to describe this horrific idea is pure discrimination, not the fancy innocent-sounding positive discrimination. It begs the question are we ever going to get a government that simply says judge people by their merit regardless of their colour instead of living in a perpetual cycle of positive and negative discrimination to the races depending on who's oppressed at the time.

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