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9 minutes ago, Ed Stone said:

How can he 'represent' anyone? The guy's a complete and utter plonker, IMO...

Oh dear typical leftie i find it sad. People like you just need try insult people, I mean 3.9 million voted for UKIP and im sorry people like me do not register in your head, But i ED STONE knows best, Democrasy not dictatorship is best ED 

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Why Nigel had to quit

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We only half jokingly talked about it in the Scottish Politics thread... I give you the 'Conservative & Labour Party':

 

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2 minutes ago, skifreak said:

We only half jokingly talked about it in the Scottish Politics thread... I give you the 'Conservative & Labour Party':

 

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Blimey.

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Theresa May looking really happy about being the favourite to become the next PM:whistling:

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What is forgotten in all this parochial navel gazing, is that there is a humanitarian disaster on our near shores, which needs to be addressed.  

I have not heard one prospective candidate for the top job even alluding to this issue.

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Neil Kinnock has now come out moaning that Corbyn is making Labour unelectable. Kinnock would know all about that wouldn't he...

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2 minutes ago, Summer Sun said:

 

The unions want him. Time for the party to stand by the man in charge instead of acting like children. The blairites could always go home to the conservative party.

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3 hours ago, Nick L said:

Neil Kinnock has now come out moaning that Corbyn is making Labour unelectable. Kinnock would know all about that wouldn't he...

Kinnock gained about 3% of the vote in each of his elections. Can you really see Corbyn gaining at all?

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3 hours ago, alexisj9 said:

The unions want him. Time for the party to stand by the man in charge instead of acting like children. The blairites could always go home to the conservative party.

Correct. The PLP are not in charge.

Corbyn's Labour will get smashed in any GE. A more Centrist Labour led by Benn would challenge the Tories.

The major problem with Labour is that they're looking v much like Foot's Labour and the Left are in control. Without major structural change to Labour like we saw in the early 90s they've got no hope.

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She going to one week she isant the next now she is... 

 

Eagle To Challenge Corbyn For Labour Leadership

Labour's Angela Eagle has said she will announce a bid for the party leadership on Monday morning.

It follows a period during which current leader Jeremy Corbyn has faced a series of resignations from his shadow ministerial team, and lost a vote of no confidence.  

In a statement, Ms Eagle said: "I will explain my vision for the country and the difference a strong Labour Party can make."  

http://news.sky.com/story/eagle-to-challenge-corbyn-for-labour-leadership-10496779

 

Popcorne at the ready and a crushing humiliating defete coming for Eagle 

 

 

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11 hours ago, Nick L said:

Neil Kinnock has now come out moaning that Corbyn is making Labour unelectable. Kinnock would know all about that wouldn't he...

You won't be old enough to remember Nick, but Kinnock actually saved the Labour Party in the 1980s. After the disaster of the 1983 election, Labour had a huge problem, with the unelectable left in control of the party & many constituencies controlled by the Militant Tendency group. He managed to wrest control back for "traditional" Labour, oust the Militant group, and finally make the party almost electable again. I may not share his politics, but he was a fine orator, who fought like crazy for the party. For that alone, he gets great respect & credit from me. I feel the current situation, with the Momentum group & party leadership has echoes of the same. Whether Labour has a Kinnock to save it this time & put in the years of hard work to fix the damage, probably for no reward, looks doubtful. We do need a strong Labour party if we are to be spared decades of Tory misrule.

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That's true Dave.

Kinnock ensured Labour evolved into an electable party - Blair eventually ensured a Labour govt ('97). The late John Smith would probably have achieved before Blair.

A Left wing govt led by Corbyn has zich all chance, even if you're someone who truly believes in Left wing politics. 

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9 minutes ago, Bristle boy said:

That's true Dave.

Kinnock ensured Labour evolved into an electable party - Blair eventually ensured a Labour govt ('97). The late John Smith would probably have achieved before Blair.

A Left wing govt led by Corbyn has zich all chance, even if your someone who truly believes in Left wing politics. 

Indeed BB. The hard left is just not and never has been - 1945 excepted for exceptional circumstances - electable. I know some on here consider me a barmy leftie, when I am actually a Social Democrat! I have a left leaning view on life, but not a socialist one. I know you area Tory at heart, but not a right winger. A compromise for both of us would be John Major's type of government, that basically ran a decent administration, focused on managing the economy first of all. John Smith would probably have done the same, but with a greater emphasis on the social aspect, continued by Blair in the first term particularly. Everything these days seems so extreme. Just run the country efficiently & fairly is all I ask.

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6 hours ago, davehsug said:

Indeed BB. The hard left is just not and never has been - 1945 excepted for exceptional circumstances - electable. I know some on here consider me a barmy leftie, when I am actually a Social Democrat! I have a left leaning view on life, but not a socialist one. I know you area Tory at heart, but not a right winger. A compromise for both of us would be John Major's type of government, that basically ran a decent administration, focused on managing the economy first of all. John Smith would probably have done the same, but with a greater emphasis on the social aspect, continued by Blair in the first term particularly. Everything these days seems so extreme. Just run the country efficiently & fairly is all I ask.

Very well said,if only more people had your attitude we may have a elected government that is for the people and not its own agenda.

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Andrea has really put her foot in it...haha serves her right!

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Kinnock did a lot of good for the labour party. Booting out militant tendency also I suspect this has returned under Corbyn somewhat. Kinnock actually saved the party from oblivion. John Smith would have been the best PM labour ever had sadly never to have been. As for Labour now I can't see them coming back to be honest  

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Yep.....Smith was a shrewd politician but was still old school labour....I'd imagine in an alternative history that Labour, under his leadership, might well have beaten the tories in the 97 election but with nowhere near the majority of the Blair led New Labour. The stigma of 'loony left' labour was still apparent in 92-94, and it took Blair and his advisers to totally reinvent laboue to make them truly electable

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Does Corbyn not realise he has more chance of a Christmas No.1 singing a duet of The Red Flag with Billy Bragg than leading his beloved Marxist Labour party into office?

Tit.

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1 hour ago, kar999 said:

Does Corbyn not realise he has more chance of a Christmas No.1 singing a duet of The Red Flag with Billy Bragg than leading his beloved Marxist Labour party into office?

Tit.

You can vote for Jezza. 3 pound your vote will count :) Labour know that.. Their regret their 3 pound a pop vote.. But it is what it is.. And their have their biggest members in history :rofl:

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