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Without any doubt I'm definitely voting to come out.  Interestingly amongst family, friends and work colleagues I've yet to speak to anyone who is voting to stay in the EU- there is only one colleague sitting on the fence and quite openly she's that is because her husband is a farmer.   Our local newspaper undertook a poll and the result was a massive thumbs down to staying in the EU

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Just watched Boris on his brexit speech absolutely brilliant and a lot of laughs.  Described June 23rd as Britains Independence day. Charismatic and passionate.  Made Corbyns speech look like a sermon at a funeral.

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16 minutes ago, kent said:

Described June 23rd as Britains Independence day.

I'm sure he meant England (he regularly conflates the two terms); as that's what would be the most likely outcome of a 'Leave' vote in England.

But of course by default, that could be independence day for Scotland, N. Ireland and even Wales at the same time; although the Welsh look like they might join England.

A day of celebration for all the newly independent home nations! :friends:

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Vote Leave, which has just been designated as the official pro-Brexit campaign group, claims that business is evenly divided. Yet most polls by trade associations find big majorities for staying in the EU. A survey by the Confederation of British Industry (CBI) found 80% of members for Remain, with only 5% for Leave. In response to claims that it represents only big companies, the CBI points out that it speaks for 190,000 members, mostly small and medium-sized enterprises, and that 71% of SMEs want to stay. The Institute of Directors and the British Chambers of Commerce, with memberships that have a higher share of SMEs than the CBI, find most in favour. Even a majority of the Federation of Small Businesses narrowly backs Remain.

Specialist trade associations report similar results. TechUK, an IT group, finds 70% for staying in the EU. The EEF manufacturers’ association has 61% (see chart). A survey this week by the UK arm of the International Chamber of Commerce found 86% of international businesses supporting Remain. Groups as diverse as Universities UK, the Food and Drink Federation and the aerospace and defence association also report large support for Remain.

Paul Drechsler, president of the CBI, notes, 25 years of single-market integration have created a supply-chain network so dense as to make such compartmentalisation impossible.

A good example of a business that benefits from the EU is the British car industry. Mike Hawes, the chief executive of the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT), says it was largely moribund in the 1980s and 1990s. But thanks to foreign ownership and investment attracted by a gateway into the EU single market, it has revived strongly. It accounts for 800,000 jobs and 12% of British exports (80% of its output goes abroad). Britain now produces more cars than France. Fully 77% of SMMT members favour Remain, not just because future investment depends on access to the single market but also to retain influence over the industry’s regulation. Mr Hawes cites the case of an exemption that British lobbying secured from EU emission rules for low-volume niche producers like Lotus and McLaren.

An extract from an article in the Economist,A matter of business

I apologise in advance for not mentioning Islam, Muslims, Angela the Antichrist and for not ranting on about irrelevant subjects. And oh, dead cats.

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34 minutes ago, kent said:

Just watched Boris on his brexit speech absolutely brilliant and a lot of laughs.  Described June 23rd as Britains Independence day. Charismatic and passionate.  Made Corbyns speech look like a sermon at a funeral.

Yes it was very entertaining and of course Boris doesn't have to worry about the fall out if it all goes pearshaped. Apparently only around 300 people turned up for the love-fest and Michael Crick of Channel 4 News nearly got assaulted by one of the Boris Drones who wouldn't have looked out of place at a BNP rally.

Johnson can cope with a 30 minute speech but put under any stress he falls to pieces. He won't be doing any debates because Vote Leave saw his car crash at the Treasury Select Committee and won't want to risk that on prime time tv.

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I just watched Robert Carlyle in Hitler: The Rise of Evil...Garbage about job-stealing Poles has a chequered history!:D

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45 minutes ago, nick sussex said:

Yes it was very entertaining and of course Boris doesn't have to worry about the fall out if it all goes pearshaped. Apparently only around 300 people turned up for the love-fest and Michael Crick of Channel 4 News nearly got assaulted by one of the Boris Drones who wouldn't have looked out of place at a BNP rally.

Johnson can cope with a 30 minute speech but put under any stress he falls to pieces. He won't be doing any debates because Vote Leave saw his car crash at the Treasury Select Committee and won't want to risk that on prime time tv.

Oh my days nick This is what nick Sussex calls nearly a assault 

 

Michael Crick ‏@MichaelLCrick  55s56 seconds ago

Unfair for people on Twitter to compare Boris Johnson with Trump over what he did with me tonight. Johnson a very media-friendly politician

 

So Much for "nearly assaulted" nick  s

 

David Cameron rapped over 'illegal' pro-EU propaganda leaflet

David Cameron has been rapped by the elections watchdog after it emerged hiscontroversial pro-EU leaflets may technically be illegal.

The Electoral Commission has contacted the Government with concerns over the £9million leaflets being sent out to British homes explaining the Government’s case for staying in Europe.

Blundering Whitehall officials failed to include an 'imprint' on the £9million leaflets setting out the name and address of the publisher – in this case HM Stationery Office.

It is against the law to send out election material without an imprint, punishable with a fine for each copy sent out.

In this case 27million of the leaflets have been printed.

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/david-cameron-rapped-over-illegal-7763453#ICID=sharebar_twitter

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1 hour ago, knocker said:

Vote Leave, which has just been designated as the official pro-Brexit campaign group, claims that business is evenly divided. Yet most polls by trade associations find big majorities for staying in the EU. A survey by the Confederation of British Industry (CBI) found 80% of members for Remain, with only 5% for Leave. In response to claims that it represents only big companies, the CBI points out that it speaks for 190,000 members, mostly small and medium-sized enterprises, and that 71% of SMEs want to stay. The Institute of Directors and the British Chambers of Commerce, with memberships that have a higher share of SMEs than the CBI, find most in favour. Even a majority of the Federation of Small Businesses narrowly backs Remain.

Specialist trade associations report similar results. TechUK, an IT group, finds 70% for staying in the EU. The EEF manufacturers’ association has 61% (see chart). A survey this week by the UK arm of the International Chamber of Commerce found 86% of international businesses supporting Remain. Groups as diverse as Universities UK, the Food and Drink Federation and the aerospace and defence association also report large support for Remain.

Paul Drechsler, president of the CBI, notes, 25 years of single-market integration have created a supply-chain network so dense as to make such compartmentalisation impossible.

A good example of a business that benefits from the EU is the British car industry. Mike Hawes, the chief executive of the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT), says it was largely moribund in the 1980s and 1990s. But thanks to foreign ownership and investment attracted by a gateway into the EU single market, it has revived strongly. It accounts for 800,000 jobs and 12% of British exports (80% of its output goes abroad). Britain now produces more cars than France. Fully 77% of SMMT members favour Remain, not just because future investment depends on access to the single market but also to retain influence over the industry’s regulation. Mr Hawes cites the case of an exemption that British lobbying secured from EU emission rules for low-volume niche producers like Lotus and McLaren.

An extract from an article in the Economist,A matter of business

I apologise in advance for not mentioning Islam, Muslims, Angela the Antichrist and for not ranting on about irrelevant subjects. And oh, dead cats.

And your favourite word bulverism.

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1 hour ago, kent said:

And your favourite word bulverism.

Are you sure you understand the concept as you appear to be floundering in the face of some unpalatable truths?

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9 hours ago, kent said:

What part of this argument cant you seem to grasp.  Some of us hate the EU and its current aspirations and you hate us for hating it.   You are the status quo therefore you consider yourself safe.   Change for you means risk so the burden of proof lies with us.   The status quo play it safe, be complacent.   This attitude leads in general to an attack on anyone who oppose your views.

The status quo offer nothing but assumption that everything will collapse if we leave and that's all it is assumption because you don't know what the outcome will be.  We outline the problems  that we fear will escalate if we remain and you offer nothing to argue why it may not happen other than scorn ridicule and loathing.  I hear it said everyday in the media that the remain camp need to do a lot more to explain how things are going to be better if we stay but you cant because quite simply you can only assume it will be worse.

Its your cowardly attitude that holds back progress by not looking forward to a more creative future.  The status quo dont shake the tree herd in your pens.

Its hard enough being in the minority on this forum as it is when you and like minded behave like a bunch of school boy bullies logging in ticking each others boxes and general back slapping when an outer has been criticised.

I would liken the EU to a bully cower to it admit submission and the situation will worsen.   Vote out stand up to it and youll see a more submissive situation.

Oh no Kent, you are at it again - from reading your posts it appears that the overriding reason why you wish to leave the EU is that you hate it and TBO I cannot see that as a logical or reasoned reason for taking up the stance you do.

Now id you were to provide logical reasons which could be backed up factually I am sure we would all take more notice of you.

I think most of the remain camp are of the opinion that things won't necessarily change if we remain, though we would be in a better position to try and bring about change, yet at the same time, I think pretty well most of us believe that things would get worse if we leave.

There is so much talk about migration and taking control of our borders but the likely result is going to be that if we want a trade agreement with the EU continuing to have open borders with EU citizens will come as part of the package, so we are unlikely to gain in that respect.

The leave side continually talks about £55 million a day in contributions when in reality the nett figure is something more like £23 million but again if we want a favourable deal we will still have to cough up in contributions, maybe not that same amount but not far off it either.

Then there is the inward investment we get from many global companies, some say they will stay if we leave but others say they will re-locate within the EU to retain their trade. Whatever, it means that some inward investment will be lost upon which many thousands of British workers depend.

Then there is the question of national sovereignty and laws originating from Brussels - now I have been racking my brains and I cannot think of any way in which I have been adversely affected by any of these, though I can understand that some members of parliament with inflated egos will feel their noses put out of joint by being perceived to be not quite so important as they thought they should be.

A lot of this has been explained to you many times by differing people on the forum but it appears that you choose to ignore it all because you hate the EU for reasons you have not fully explained.

 

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8 hours ago, kent said:

A couple of weeks ago a German comedian on a satire programme took the pee out of the Turkish PM Erdogen.  He was so enraged he demanded that the comic be prosecuted  and guess what rather than insult the glorious state leader  Merkel has just given the go ahead for the German court to prosecute the comedian.

So free speech has gone now.   This womans credibility has just hit another low.   But I expect you will all find a way to defend her.

 

Not necessarily the court may well decide in favour of the comedian thus strengthening the power of free speech and make Erdogen look like the idiot he is.

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2 hours ago, nick sussex said:

Yes it was very entertaining and of course Boris doesn't have to worry about the fall out if it all goes pearshaped. Apparently only around 300 people turned up for the love-fest and Michael Crick of Channel 4 News nearly got assaulted by one of the Boris Drones who wouldn't have looked out of place at a BNP rally.

Johnson can cope with a 30 minute speech but put under any stress he falls to pieces. He won't be doing any debates because Vote Leave saw his car crash at the Treasury Select Committee and won't want to risk that on prime time tv.

Yes I saw that Nick. I was a bit worried for him. At least nobody can say the outers don't put their words into action! I see we're back to the £350 mil a week lie as well. The out case has so many holes, surely they're not going to get away with it?

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1 minute ago, davehsug said:

Yes I saw that Nick. I was a bit worried for him. At least nobody can say the outers don't put their words into action! I see we're back to the £350 mil a week lie as well. The out case has so many holes, surely they're not going to get away with it?

Well I suppose they're going on the Trump way of campaigning, keep repeating a bare faced lie and hope that theres enough people that will believe it.

As for Boris Johnson its still troubling that a section of the public think he should be anywhere near number 10.

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3 minutes ago, nick sussex said:

Well I suppose they're going on the Trump way of campaigning, keep repeating a bare faced lie and hope that theres enough people that will believe it.

As for Boris Johnson its still troubling that a section of the public think he should be anywhere near number 10.

I meant the Channel 4 reporter lol almost thumped by the outie knuckle dragger! I couldn't care less what happens to Bozo, as long as he's never let anywhere near real power!

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2 minutes ago, davehsug said:

I meant the Channel 4 reporter lol almost thumped by the outie knuckle dragger! I couldn't care less what happens to Bozo, as long as he's never let anywhere near real power!

Michael Crick did look a bit worried , for a second I thought it was a Trump rally! lol The only thing missing was the Stetsons and that weird inbred look of most of the supporters! There was supposed to be a bigger crowd but the Daily Express coaches were delayed on the M6!

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13 minutes ago, nick sussex said:

Michael Crick did look a bit worried , for a second I thought it was a Trump rally! lol The only thing missing was the Stetsons and that weird inbred look of most of the supporters! There was supposed to be a bigger crowd but the Daily Express coaches were delayed on the M6!

Nick why do you keep spouting this like that when even crick has said what your suggesting is utter rubbish 

After all keep to Facts Nick 

Michael Crick ‏@MichaelLCrick  55s56 seconds ago

Unfair for people on Twitter to compare Boris Johnson with Trump over what he did with me tonight. Johnson a very media-friendly politician

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41 minutes ago, davehsug said:

I meant the Channel 4 reporter lol almost thumped by the outie knuckle dragger! I couldn't care less what happens to Bozo, as long as he's never let anywhere near real power!

Mind I was amazed to read that the Telegraph had paid him a million quid over the last three years to write his column. The world has gone truly mad if his opinion is worth more than a couple of quid.

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45 minutes ago, nick sussex said:

Michael Crick did look a bit worried , for a second I thought it was a Trump rally! lol The only thing missing was the Stetsons and that weird inbred look of most of the supporters! There was supposed to be a bigger crowd but the Daily Express coaches were delayed on the M6!

Weird inbred look of most of the supporters.  Hmmm.  Rather an unpleasant analogy of the public.

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1 hour ago, nick sussex said:

As for Boris Johnson its still troubling that a section of the public think he should be anywhere near number 10.

Agree with you on that one. At least he isn't suggesting throwing the immigrants into the med as one of the posters suggested a little time back

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12 minutes ago, kent said:

Weird inbred look of most of the supporters.  Hmmm.  Rather an unpleasant analogy of the public.

I wasn't talking about the British public. You should see what they say on American forums re Trump supporters, my jibe was warm and cuddly compared to what you'd find there!

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1 hour ago, nick sussex said:

Michael Crick did look a bit worried , for a second I thought it was a Trump rally! lol The only thing missing was the Stetsons and that weird inbred look of most of the supporters! There was supposed to be a bigger crowd but the Daily Express coaches were delayed on the M6!

I think you are mistaking the typical working class Brit with the metropolitan uni educated middle class sprogs.

Seems like davehsug and yourself Nick are having a snigger at the White Brit working class. 

Hmmm.....the liberal middle class dont really like us having any influence.

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2 minutes ago, Bristle boy said:

I think you are mistaking the typical working class Brit with the metropolitan uni educated middle class sprogs.

Seems like davehsug and yourself Nick are having a snigger at the White Brit working class. 

Hmmm.....the liberal middle class dont really like us having any influence.

Erm, I am a member of the white British working class, although I see it as neither something to be proud or ashamed of. It doesn't mean you have to be thick or uninterested in the world around you, you can form your own opinions without relying on the Sun or Express to tell you what to think. Seems you have more problems with stereotypes than me. Did you even see what happened?

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23 minutes ago, davehsug said:

Erm, I am a member of the white British working class, although I see it as neither something to be proud or ashamed of. It doesn't mean you have to be thick or uninterested in the world around you, you can form your own opinions without relying on the Sun or Express to tell you what to think. Seems you have more problems with stereotypes than me. Did you even see what happened?

Crick himself said nothing was wrong with what happend, and stereotyping people 

 

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you can form your own opinions without relying on the Sun or Express

Their you go again mr hypocrite making untold accusations again people claiming their r zombie washed by the scum and express

 

Sorry to tell you but people can think for their selfs stop belittling people who disagree with you 

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