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One hundred years ago tomorrow was the start of the 20th centuries first acts of genocide when the Ottoman Empire wiped out 1.5 million Armenians. The Turks are still in denial. There was an interesting discussion on this earlier on R4 and the NYT did anexcellent article last week.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/17/world/europe/turkeys-century-of-denial-about-an-armenian-genocide.html?smid=tw-nytimes

 

 

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I don't think they need to acknowledge something that happened to 100 years ago.

Then again there are still people who don't want Germany or Japan having power.

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It's not a case of  acknowledging, they are still calling the genocide a lie. It's a bit like denying that the British Empire wasn't complicit in killing a two million Irish people.

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The novel Birds Without Wings by Louis de Bernieres was a book I enjoyed immensely.

 

Very humorous, but at the same time immensely sad.

 

I must admit to knowing little of this bit of history until I read it; it being based around the fall of the Ottoman Empire and the genocide that happened as part of that.

 

This quote, which for me summed up the book, also summed up the tragedy of it all.

 

 

“You and I once fancied ourselves birds, and we were happy even when we flapped our wings and fell down and bruised ourselves, but the truth is that we were birds without wings. You were a robin and I was a blackbird, and there were some who were eagles, or vultures, or pretty goldfinches, but none of us had wings.
 
For birds with wings nothing changes; they fly where they will and they know nothing about borders and their quarrels are very small.
 
But we are always confined to earth, no matter how much we climb to the high places and flap our arms. Because we cannot fly, we are condemned to do things that do not agree with us. Because we have no wings we are pushed into struggles and abominations that we did not seek, and then, after all that, the years go by, the mountains are levelled, the valleys rise, the rivers are blocked by sand and the cliffs fall into the sea.†

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Forget the wings, Scottish Skier; unfortunately they give little respite. Mankind shoots them down. Another poor indictment of Man.

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Still can't understand why the post-Ataturk governvents are still having problems denying something carried out under the Ottoman empire. None of the people I've discussed it with there have a problem with talking about it - behind closed doors, at least.

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I don't think they need to acknowledge something that happened to 100 years ago.

Then again there are still people who don't want Germany or Japan having power.

When I was a lad growing up not long after the war there were still a lot of people who said that the only good German was a dead one - fortunately we have got past that one but when you think about some of the German soldiers did not want to fight anyway but they had no choice, then a good portion of the remainder believed Goebbel's lies and thought they were doing their bit for the Fatherland - God protect us all from war mongering politicians who appear to think of battlefield casualties as statistics rather than real people of flesh and blood. 

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It's not a case of  acknowledging, they are still calling the genocide a lie. It's a bit like denying that the British Empire wasn't complicit in killing a two million Irish people.

The main reason they died was because of the potato blight which caused the famine though they could have been saved if the British government had adopted a more humanitarian stance. Part of the problem was the attitudes of the times and the ruling upper classes really thought that us serfs were a sub species. If it were not for the fact that people were required to keep production going in the factories and provide food from the land for the toffs I am sure the same thing could have happened here under the same circumstances. As it was Scotland had its clearances and this attitude gave rise to the class war which still has not totally subsided today.

 

This is a pity because in my view there is no need of this in what should be a modern 21st century country and none of the people alive today were responsible for the same sort of exploitation as we had then, so we really need to bury hatchets on both sides.

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