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Another ghastly outrage, in Tunis this time. At least 17 foreign tourists killed...when will this end?

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Another ghastly outrage, in Tunis this time. At least 17 foreign tourists killed...when will this end?

It won't...

 

This is 21st century warfare; the military are constrained by needing to avoid civilian targets. The enemy who are civilians, embedded in the local population, make guerrilla attacks on other civilian targets. How do you eradicate that threat?

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Terrible as it is, this has been going on for years in this part of the world, way before the days of IS. When we went to Egypt on a school trip back in 2003, we had to have an army escort everywhere because a bus load of British school children were a terrorists dream. When my Dad went in '97 his party had to have a police escort, and that was just a diving holiday.

 

It's terrible, but it's hardly an ISIS type thing or even a new thing for that matter.

 

As always I hope this is resolved in the best manner possible.

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We had our after marriage holiday in Tunisia in 1989. We travelled independently, getting trains and an internal (very dodgy) flight from Djerba to Tunis. Because we spoke French it was easier, but the people were so friendly and welcoming. It is a beautiful country, like Turkey, at the crossroads of Europe and the Arab world. Like Ukraine where I have also spent time, it is sad to see the beginnings of a decline into extremism in somewhere you once traversed free of fear...

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How many years is it until there is no safe holiday destination on the planet,i believe there is no safe place in Africa and we have been very lucky not to have had these type of attacks at home.

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You mean lucky not to have any new attacks.

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How many years is it until there is no safe holiday destination on the planet,i believe there is no safe place in Africa and we have been very lucky not to have had these type of attacks at home.

 

A tad hysterical.....

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A tad hysterical.....

Not really I'm afraid just realistic. We've been lucky or the intelligence services very good so far.

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The odds of being killed in a terrorist attack are probably the same as being killed in a plane crash , I'm still prepared to take my chances ..

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Not really I'm afraid just realistic. We've been lucky or the intelligence services very good so far.

 

I meant it was a tad hysterical to think that soon nowhere was going to be safe from IS or that the whole of Africa was dangerous. As moki says, the actual chances of being involved in an attack are incredibly slim, slimmer than most more normal things like the getting killed by a drunk driver or struck by lightning. It just seems much bigger because of how loud the news shouts every time it happens.

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Yet another country where everything has gone to rubbish after the much praised Arab spring.

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The odds of being killed in a terrorist attack are probably the same as being killed in a plane crash , I'm still prepared to take my chances ..

Oh okay so it's okay then. Ignoring / hiding from the issueisnt going to make it go away.

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Oh okay so it's okay then. Ignoring / hiding from the issueisnt going to make it go away.

I don't think that's the point he was trying to make. Obviously a terrorist free world would be lovely. The point is the risk of actually being involved in an attack is miniscule, it just seems a lot bigger because of how much coverage an attack gets, thus it seems like IS are more powerful and have taken over mord than they really have. Not that they should be ignored, obviously.

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Oh okay so it's okay then. Ignoring / hiding from the issueisnt going to make it go away.

 

Moki didn't suggest that all. He just made the valid point that the chances of being killed in a terrorist attack are minute.

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I meant it was a tad hysterical to think that soon nowhere was going to be safe from IS or that the whole of Africa was dangerous. As moki says, the actual chances of being involved in an attack are incredibly slim, slimmer than most more normal things like the getting killed by a drunk driver or struck by lightning. It just seems much bigger because of how loud the news shouts every time it happens.

Nothing hysterical,just a fact!I guess you will be planning your next holiday there,just where is safe in Africa without an armed escort and I did not mention IS,they are but one group.Even the 'Paris -Dakar' is no longer in Africa!!!!

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Nothing hysterical,just a fact!I guess you will be planning your next holiday there,just where is safe in Africa without an armed escort and I did not mention IS,they are but one group.Even the 'Paris -Dakar' is no longer in Africa!!!!

Well I went to Egypt in 2010 without any sort of escort and that lovely and the people were friendly. Terror attacks have been happening there for decades. Then I went to Cape Verde in 2013 and the most aggressive thing I came across was a rather large bird of prey. Felt totally safe and the people were fab. I'm going to Mexico this year which has some of the most dangerous cities in the world and I go to London all the time wherd numerous attacks have happened.

You are being completely hysterical.

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Such a shame for Tunisia. Its one of the few Muslim countries I don't consider a waste of space after freely electing a secular government.

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Well I went to Egypt in 2010 without any sort of escort and that lovely and the people were friendly. Terror attacks have been happening there for decades. Then I went to Cape Verde in 2013 and the most aggressive thing I came across was a rather large bird of prey. Felt totally safe and the people were fab. I'm going to Mexico this year which has some of the most dangerous cities in the world and I go to London all the time wherd numerous attacks have happened.

You are being completely hysterical.

Am sure there are safe places to go if you know where they are but terrorists will be going for soft tourist targets as they have done before.My friend went to Egypt a couple of years ago and loved it but he was told to be careful away from the complex but my classmates sister was killed in the massacre 20 years ago.

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But none of that is exclusive to Africa or isn't anything that hasn't been happening for decades.

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Again you can't play down such attacks by saying it's been going on for decades or ignore the fact that such acts are on the increase.

Islamic state have claimed responsibility. The worrying thing is that they are now in a position to infiltrate into Europe by immigration.

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Again you can't play down such attacks by saying it's been going on for decades or ignore the fact that such acts are on the increase.

Islamic state have claimed responsibility. The worrying thing is that they are now in a position to infiltrate into Europe by immigration.

I'm not ignoring it. I've said it's a terrible thing that needs to be stopped, just that I don't think the situqtion is quite as hysterical as taking over tje world. I don't think it will, there are too many countries too powerful to let that happen.

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Let's all stay inside and lock the doors!

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I'm not ignoring it. I've said it's a terrible thing that needs to be stopped, just that I don't think the situqtion is quite as hysterical as taking over tje world. I don't think it will, there are too many countries too powerful to let that happen.

I'm interested in how the powerful countries will stop it please explain how?

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I'm interested in how the powerful countries will stop it please explain how?

OK, well the countries in which there is a lot of IS stuff going on are mainly Muslim ie Syria, Tunisia etc where in all likelihood there is more likely to be more support for extremism, terror groups operating are going to blend in more for obvious reasons. The middle east and Africa are genuinely quite poorly equipped weapon wise, are using more outdated technology and have less intelligence (as in anti-terror intelligence). It's much easier for them to operate and build a large fanbase there.

In the more developed world we are far more equipped in dealing with terrorism and in turn operating terrorists are more visible. In essence we're more likely to catch it before it gets too big and we can intercept and retaliate more effectively. Not to mention there is much less likely to be support for the cause.

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Another attack.

 

This time much worse; 126 dead.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-31983627

 

Yemen crisis: More than 100 die in attacks on Sanaa mosques
 
Suicide bombers have attacked two mosques in Yemen's capital, Sanaa, killing at least 126 people and wounding many others, reports say.
 
Worshippers were attending noon prayers at the Badr and al-Hashoosh mosques when at least four attackers struck.

 

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