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Should the so called politically correct make you think differently?

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I don't understand what you mean, can you elaborate?

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Ok. Should I like Top Gear because one of the presenters is a bit of an overpaid loud mouth? But why should we conclude anything from the ill informed media hype of "let us have a go"?

Should I like someone whatever?

Should I like my walls painted pink, beige, or yellow?

Should I like (love) my wife? Because she is just a woman?

Should I feel uncomfortable because of same sex relationships?

Our feelings and fears are very finally balanced.

So if we feel something, for whatever reason, why is it wrong?

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It's not wrong to feel something, but it's wrong to express or practice that feeling if it is hurting others in some way.

 

For example a Nurse could be a complete homophobe, but as long as she treats any gay patients they have with the same compassion as anyone else, there isn't a problem. Of course one can openly express homophobia, but one should also be expected to deal with any criticism of that.

 

And this is the thing that irks me about  those who go on about 'PC gone mad'. Because often, it's not actually about people not being able to express themselves freely that they are supporting, but the right to say those things without being questioned. That's not too say though., that I think being overly PC is a good thing either.

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By all means respect your fellow man/woman and treat him/her with courtesy, which is something we should all aspire to do but in my view people have gone overboard with political correctness and so very often it can mean people doing and saying things not because they really mean them but rather paying lip service as to what is the accepted idea of how things should be done which at times can be dishonest, so at times it ends up being a load of Charlie Romeo Alpha Papa - about time we got back to calling a digging utensil a digging utensil - at least it is honest and people know more where there they stand with each other.

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I do think political correctness is somewhat barmy but at the same time it can be based on good underlying principles. 

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who exactly is in position to decide what is correct or not?

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who exactly is in position to decide what is correct or not?

 

The media? Apparently your a racist for not wanting third world immigration. Your homophobic if you don't want them to marry or adopt a child (i'm actually fine with these). I've also been called transphobic elsewhere for believing that a transexual should tell the drunk the guy in the bar that they are not a real woman.

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who exactly is in position to decide what is correct or not?

 

 

Mainly academia and media, which have been infiltrated by Marxists for a while now. PC will only get worse

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Mainly academia and media, which have been infiltrated by Marxists for a while now. PC will only get worse

Trouble is it has made into the classrooms where teachers now dictate to your children what is acceptable and what is not regardless of the parents moral compass..freedom to form your own opinion will fast disappear over the next 20 years.

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I'll just stick to treating peeps with respect - irrespective of race, religion, ethnicity, sexuality or gender. If that amounts to 'PC gone mad' then so be it...

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I remember a few years ago I was at dinner sitting next to a very sage old gentleman - I forget how the conversation started but it ended up with me saying to the effect of, ' I dunno if Henry VIII did the right thing in taking us from the Catholic Church but then if he didn't would England have gone on to be so great as it became' He said that it was a great point and I should write a thesis on it.

 

But although I was baptised a Catholic and received a primary education in that respect when you think back to those times the Church was a very powerful organisation which had influence over pretty well much all of the lives of ordinary folk, most of whom could not read and very often to find out what was happening in the big wide world they needed to go to church on a Sunday to be told by the priest, who as likely as not had biased views. Not only that the folk had to go to confession on a Saturday evening then being told what they must do by way of repentance, so we ended up with a society who were continually being told what to do with relatively little room for them to think for themselves.

 

The coming of the Reformation led the way towards more individual thought in this country and with this came the initiative which started opening up horizons which eventually resulted in first England, then Britain becoming the foremost power in the world.

 

Now with this new religion of Political Correctness is there not a danger that we will revert towards a similar sort of past doctrine where we lose the desire to think for ourselves and wait to be told by others what to do and to think thereby providing an avenue back into obscurity?

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Back in the 1990s, lots of jokes were made about “political correctnessâ€, and almost everybody thought they were really funny. Unfortunately, very few people are laughing now because political correctness has become a way of life. If you say the “wrong thing†you could lose your job or you could rapidly end up in court. Every single day, the mainstream media bombards us with subtle messages that make it clear what is “appropriate†and what is “inappropriateâ€, and most people quietly fall in line with this unwritten speech code. But just because it is not written down somewhere does not mean that it isn’t real.

Political correctness shapes the way that we all communicate with each other every single day, and it is only going to get worse in the years ahead. Sadly, most people simply have no idea what is happening to them.

 

http://www.thesleuthjournal.com/20-outrageous-examples-that-show-how-political-correctness-is-taking-over-america/

10 George Orwell Quotes.

1) “In our age there is no such thing as ‘keeping out of politics.’ All issues are political issues, and politics itself is a mass of lies, evasions, folly, hatred and schizophrenia.â€

) “All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting.â€

3) “War against a foreign country only happens when the moneyed classes think they are going to profit from it.â€

4) “The very concept of objective truth is fading out of the world. Lies will pass into history.â€

5) “In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.â€

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I'll just stick to treating peeps with respect - irrespective of race, religion, ethnicity, sexuality or gender. If that amounts to 'PC gone mad' then so be it...

 

All very good nice and lovely, just a shame you have  always labelled UKIP  supporters as being racist.....................................

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Once shouldn't be forced to change ones viewpoint as long as one is telling the truth. Sadly these days telling the truth tends to get people branded as racist and the original issue is therefore forgotten and not dealt with or simply ignored.

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All very good nice and lovely, just a shame you have  always labelled UKIP  supporters as being racist.....................................

On the contrary. I just leave it them! :rofl:  :rofl:

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All very good nice and lovely, just a shame you have  always labelled UKIP  supporters as being racist.....................................

Well it has become very evident to me as an EU supporter that the points I make are simply ignored by the UKIP brigade in the main - personally I would not trust anybody who was not willing at least to listen to opposing arguments because it does not fit in with their way of thinking. Such arrogance!

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My problem with political correctness is the obsession with avoiding expression that could cause offence.   Avoiding offence is good up to a point but it should not be the most important consideration.  For example, racism is primarily a case of people falsely judging others because of their ethnic background.  The offence that it causes is a problem, but in my experience it is often overblown, while the main problem (people being falsely judged) is underexposed.  

 

Thus, it is possible to get situations where you can make generalisations about a group that are scientifically valid but you aren't allowed to raise them because they are offensive, although unfortunately most complaints about that sort of thing come from the mouths of people who are genuinely racist, resulting in that whole argument being stigmatised.  An example might be, a particular minority group might be associated with above-average crime, for reasons that stem from conformity to a set of cultural norms rather than skin colour, but if you mention that, you could be accused of racism. and therefore assumed guilty on the basis, under modern zero tolerance approaches, if it might be racist, it is racist.

 

I have to say that there are cases where I feel that I have to be very reticent in questioning a point of view that I believe to be flawed, because it might offend people and therefore be seen as politically incorrect.  The most common example is the "you have to restrict pleasurable activities to legislate for the minority that abuse them" line.  Questioning that has often got me into trouble for offending the people who suffer due to the actions of the minority.

 

Freedom of speech, though, is an extremely difficult subject.  I remember the George Carlin quote, "I have a right to my opinion, and my opinion is that you have no right to your opinion", which is a good example of the sort of conflicts that are involved.

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My problem with political correctness is the obsession with avoiding expression that could cause offence.   Avoiding offence is good up to a point but it should not be the most important consideration.  For example, racism is primarily a case of people falsely judging others because of their ethnic background.  The offence that it causes is a problem, but in my experience it is often overblown, while the main problem (people being falsely judged) is underexposed.  

 

Thus, it is possible to get situations where you can make generalisations about a group that are scientifically valid but you aren't allowed to raise them because they are offensive, although unfortunately most complaints about that sort of thing come from the mouths of people who are genuinely racist, resulting in that whole argument being stigmatised.  An example might be, a particular minority group might be associated with above-average crime, for reasons that stem from conformity to a set of cultural norms rather than skin colour, but if you mention that, you could be accused of racism. and therefore assumed guilty on the basis, under modern zero tolerance approaches, if it might be racist, it is racist.

 

I have to say that there are cases where I feel that I have to be very reticent in questioning a point of view that I believe to be flawed, because it might offend people and therefore be seen as politically incorrect.  The most common example is the "you have to restrict pleasurable activities to legislate for the minority that abuse them" line.  Questioning that has often got me into trouble for offending the people who suffer due to the actions of the minority.

 

Freedom of speech, though, is an extremely difficult subject.  I remember the George Carlin quote, "I have a right to my opinion, and my opinion is that you have no right to your opinion", which is a good example of the sort of conflicts that are involved.

The people who are uncouth, rude and racist in there remarks let themselves down - in my view provided we treat everybody as we would like to be treated, excepting those who make this impossible by extreme views and behaviour, this really is what should be expected of us. When you get to the extremes where some organisations, both government and private, are appointing/promoting people on the basis that they have to satisfy a quota is ridiculous to the nth degree - people should be promoted on merit regardless of the colour of their skin or background and the true none racialist person is the one who is colour blind.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_Thy_Neighbour

 

I was brought up with the likes of this on telly, also Benny Hill and Kenny Everett. I could even call in the Carry ON films here too. I'm sure there is plenty more that I wasn't even aware of.

My Parents, especially my dad loved this kind of telly - I would watch the carry on films happily without wanting to write to someone up on high because how they appear to treat women. I think there is a way to do things. I found more offence in The page 3 girls then watching Sid James watch a womans bottom as she walked down the road.

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On the contrary. I just leave it them! :rofl:  :rofl:

 

What's to the contrary?  Are you now saying you didn't call all UKIP supporters racist?

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What an absolutely incredible defence against one of the main avenues of PC (modern (3rd wave onwards) feminism) by Milo Yiannopoulos. Mandatory viewing for those wondering what we are up against and the type of people that influences government in academia and media.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97k8SNnQkgY&feature=youtu.be

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