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I was appalled to hear, while listening to the BBC World Service early this morning, that up to 10,000 people had been demonstrating, in Dresden, against immigration (to Germany).  

 

It is also interesting to note that this event has not featured on UK news channels. Why?

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Did the demonstration not take place? Were we  totally deceived by the press?

 

If such a protest occurred, I worry about extreme right wing ideology pervading the UK.

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I was appalled to hear, while listening to the BBC World Service early this morning, that up to 10,000 people had been demonstrating, in Dresden, against immigration (to Germany).  

 

It is also interesting to note that this event has not featured on UK news channels. Why?

can i ask what appalled you about it?

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can i ask what appalled you about it?

That the city authorities had allowed a demonstration by a load of racists...

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That the city authorities had allowed a demonstration by a load of racists...

i havent seen the news item myself, if it was a load of neo-nazis doing their usual then fair enough but if it was a genuine protest against a feeble immigration policy which allows too many foreign immigrants into a cash-strapped country, feeding off their benefit system and working for lower wages which are then sent back to their families in their country of origin, therefore taking money out of the economy and denying a decent wage to the born and bred taxpayers of their own country, then good luck to them

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It was a bunch of neo-Nazis.

Not what I have read elsewhere on the net, indeed the below quote was taken from the above BBC report,

'What has startled politicians, though, is that many in the crowds at Dresden are not extremists or neo-Nazis. As conservative politician Wolfgang Bosbach puts it, these are concerned mothers and pensioners.'

Still let's stifle debate by labelling everyone a Nazi

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It was a bunch of neo-Nazis.

apparently not.....^^

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Surprise surprise such sweeping statements relating to racism....never heard that before

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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/15/dresden-police-pegida-germany-far-right

 

Chants such as "Wir sind das Folk" don't precisely give you the impression that they're not neo-Nazis, do they?

 

If they were just demonstrating against immigration in general it might be different, but that rally was specifically about immigration of Muslims.

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Good on them, I say. :) I agree with bobbydog, amongst others.

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I have heard before that neo Nazism is more prevalent in what was the old East Germany - might be something to do with the people remaining there only having one generation of democracy since 1933. It takes time for this to develop fully.

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I have heard before that neo Nazism is more prevalent in what was the old East Germany - might be something to do with the people remaining there only having one generation of democracy since 1933. It takes time for this to develop fully.

 

Both the Nazi's and USSR were fans of national socialism (only Lenin even tried to be communist), Hitler simply put an ethnic twist on his. In that sense it's not democracy that they've not been free of, it's the ideology. 

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Not what I have read elsewhere on the net, indeed the below quote was taken from the above BBC report,

'What has startled politicians, though, is that many in the crowds at Dresden are not extremists or neo-Nazis. As conservative politician Wolfgang Bosbach puts it, these are concerned mothers and pensioners.'

Still let's stifle debate by labelling everyone a Nazi

Some people on this forum are unnecessarily reluctant to use extremist labels where appropriate. We shouldn't be using them haphazardly because that would soften their meaning, but equally there's no use beating around the bush.

You can be a a 'concerned mother' or pensioner and a neo-nazi at the same time. Perhaps you have the skinhead stereotype ingrained.

I don't see how using such labels stifles debate.

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That the city authorities had allowed a demonstration by a load of racists...

Are there grounds for an authority to ban demonstrations based on their message/content/ideology? It's a genuine question, because if Muslims are allowed to protest for the establishment of sharia law, a worldwide Muslim Caliphate or for the death of all non-believers it's only right that those opposed to such sentiments are allowed to protest, too?

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And when/where in Europe, especially Dresden or Germany given the title of the topic, have marches for any of those been allowed, or even proposed, come to think of it?

 

And, as I've told you a thousand million times before, don't exaggerate. You know perfectly well that a demo asking for 93% of the population of Europe to be exterminated would be banned.

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Let me just put my oar in.

 

I've just had lunch with a very close Danish friend of mine - he's 86 and was born on the north side of Flensburg Fjord - and he's becoming increasingly concerned about the tone in Germany. Granted, people from the south of Jutland have historical reasons to keep a weather eye on Germany, but I have to say I agree with my friend. The fall of the Berlin Wall causes some of us ambivalent feelings.

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