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The War On Drugs - is it 'working', and why is it a 'war' anyway ?

Drugs - is the current approach the best approach ?  

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  1. 1. Is the war on drugs working ?

    • Yes
      2
    • No
      47
  2. 2. Should all drugs be legalised and availability and quality managed by the government

    • Yes
      31
    • No
      17


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When was the last time you heard reports of a brawl following several cups of strong coffee?

 

No idea but people have had heart attacks from overdoses etc. 

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Just think of how much progress could be made on this issue if the Daily Mail brigade had no influence?

 

Will no doubt be viewed as an "against the team post"  but this continual assault on people who read the Daily Mail as being some sort of extreme right wing fascist "brigade" is becoming somewhat tiresome ...........

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Silly thing is caffeine or too much of can be a detriment to health and well being?

 

Caffeine is both addictive and can be pretty harmful! I suspect many of us can't live without it :D

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Also against the grain maybe, we have some (not all) prominent people happily bleating on about standards whilst totally ignoring the advice they're happy to dish out? Hypocrisy is in fact rife. Until such time this is perhaps acknowledged then a growing number of people will be more likely to stick two fingers up to the establishment. Contempt is a two way street, works both ways.

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Caffeine is both addictive and can be pretty harmful! I suspect many of us can't live without it :D

In its earlier days it was probably much frowned upon as a social so called nasty? Interfering with so called normality at the time. Countless scare stories later you can buy it in the shops.

Sugar and salt is probably more addictive than anything out there, anyone up for a real debate yet?

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I have had the odd puff on the weed over the years and see no issue with the Drug, Only the stigma attached round it, for which as with most things gets complicated by the media and government and even the general public themselves..  

 

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I have had the odd puff on the weed over the years and see no issue with the Drug, Only the stigma attached round it, for which as with most things gets complicated by the media and government and even the general public themselves..  

 

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Just shows that the odd joint is about as dangerous as the odd cup of coffee!

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Salt and sugar are equally addictive and yet we see them or products associated with them on our screens every single day? Food industry love it, hidden away in our every day meals. Processed food beyond comprehension cheap cheerful not least crap.

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I have had the odd puff on the weed over the years and see no issue with the Drug, Only the stigma attached round it, for which as with most things gets complicated by the media and government and even the general public themselves..  

 

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If you total them up you get in descending order from most to least dangerous:

 

Heroin (26)

Alcohol (23)

Nicotine (20 - higher avg of modes)

Cocaine (20 - lower avg modes)

Caffeine (8 - higher mode)

Cannabis (8 - lower mode)

 

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Hypocritical and sanctimonious is how I'd view current drug laws and the tripe peddled by some politicians. Even with Durham taking a more liberal stance the attitude was still anyone smoking a joint was some hopeless drug addict that needs help.

 

Maybe we should take this attitude to all drinkers who present a much bigger danger to society. Politicians need to wisen up, people smoke cannabis because they enjoy it, 99% do not need any help and live perfectly productive lives.

 

They certainly don't need out of touch, politically correct politicians telling them they're in desperate need of help.

Yes and more are beginning to think exactly the same. Peddling some half truths is one thing hiding behind a so called screen of respectability yet in reality, it's all a pack of lies.

Same politicians who probably ignored advice regarding 24/7 licensing from those in the know. It is pretty much confirmed the world is now full of hypocrites, either that or more are becoming slightly less gullible to the lies and spin that some are prepared to use to try and protect their interests. All a load of yes, ask any semi sane person on the street.

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I have had the odd puff on the weed over the years and see no issue with the Drug, Only the stigma attached round it, for which as with most things gets complicated by the media and government and even the general public themselves..  

 

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Great chart.

Can I ask what 'tolerance' means in that context...

How your tolerance builds up

And therefore need more to get the same effect? (This was my musings)

Also, 'reinforcement' - of what?

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I have had the odd puff on the weed over the years and see no issue with the Drug, Only the stigma attached round it, for which as with most things gets complicated by the media and government and even the general public themselves..  

 

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I have a couple of close friends who are teachers at a secondary school and they laugh about how they have to teach this anti cannabis rubbish to kids and even expel them for being caught with a joint only to then return home from work and light up and smoke a couple on an evening with a glass of wine.  :rofl:

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Silly thing is caffeine or too much of can be a detriment to health and well being?

Yep, I can't drink it, gives me panic attack type symptoms. It basically makes me produce to much adrenalin. 

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Yep, I can't drink it, gives me panic attack type symptoms. It basically makes me produce to much adrenalin. 

 

I couldn't live without caffeine I don't start work until i have had a coffee. There is nearly a riot if tea room runs out and people get quite irate about it.

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I have a couple of close friends who are teachers at a secondary school and they laugh about how they have to teach this anti cannabis rubbish to kids and even expel them for being caught with a joint only to then return home from work and light up and smoke a couple on an evening with a glass of wine.  :rofl:

Thats why I home educate!

 

A lot of twoddle spojen on here comparing things such as Nicotine and Caffine with addictive drugs , that cause changes to the brain and have physical withdrawal effects. Canabis is not to be compared to such things as coffee, total different ball game. If you do smoke pot, inject herorin or snort cocaine you are a druggy!     

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Thats why I home educate!

 

A lot of twoddle spojen on here comparing things such as Nicotine and Caffine with addictive drugs , that cause changes to the brain and have physical withdrawal effects. Canabis is not to be compared to such things as coffee, total different ball game. If you do smoke pot, inject herorin or snort cocaine you are a druggy!     

 

Is this a wind up post? So if you suddenly quit smoking there are no withdrawal effects? Nicotine is one of the most addictive drugs there is, on a par with heroin.

 

The bit in bold is just illustrative of the juvenile attitudes towards a serious issue.

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Is this a wind up post? So if you suddenly quit smoking there are no withdrawal effects? Nicotine is one of the most addictive drugs there is, on a par with heroin.

 

The bit in bold is just illustrative of the juvenile attitudes towards a serious issue.

Sorry but nicotine can never have the same addictive properties as heroin. There is quite a bit of missunderstanding on here on just what is a habit and what is a dependency addiction. Nicotine is a habitual substance but does not cause a physical and biological dependency.

 

There are no links between caffine or Nicotine to mental ilness, whereas studies have shown those links with cannabis.

 

My source is from a drug councellor who picks up the pieces from addictas who thought a joint wouldn't hurt them.  

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Sorry but nicotine can never have the same addictive properties as heroin. There is quite a bit of missunderstanding on here on just what is a habit and what is a dependency addiction. Nicotine is a habitual substance but does not cause a physical and biological dependency.

Can you explain how people can pick up a habitual addiction from their very first cig?

 

As habitual would indicate getting into the habit of doing something, which generally takes time, at least a few days if not longer. 

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The vast majority of cannabis users function perfectly fine. So yeah, in all probability, one joint won't hurt you. Much like having one pint.

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Great chart.

Can I ask what 'tolerance' means in that context...

How your tolerance builds up

And therefore need more to get the same effect? (This was my musings)

Also, 'reinforcement' - of what?

From a PDF file I found online along with this chart it mentions this for each subject:

Dependence: How difficult it is for the user to quit, the relapse rate, the percentage of people who eventually become dependent, the rating users give their own need for the substance and the degree to which the substance will be used in the face of evidence that it causes harm.

Withdrawal: Presence and severity of characteristic withdrawal symptoms.

Tolerance: How much of the substance is needed to satisfy increasing cravings for it, and the level of stable need that is eventually reached.

Reinforcement: A measure of the substance's ability, in human and animal tests, to get users to take it again and again, and in preference to other substances.

Intoxication:Though not usually counted as a measure of addiction in itself, the level of intoxication is associated with addiction and increases the personal and social damage a substance may do.

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Thats why I home educate!

 

A lot of twoddle spojen on here comparing things such as Nicotine and Caffine with addictive drugs , that cause changes to the brain and have physical withdrawal effects. Canabis is not to be compared to such things as coffee, total different ball game. If you do smoke pot, inject herorin or snort cocaine you are a druggy!     

How can you educate..? when its clear you need educating yourself..!!

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When we have people running the country and governing drug legislations like this it speaks for itself. Once again it's a case of 'do as i say, Not as i do'  The war on drugs eh  :rofl:

 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3174689/Lord-Snorty-Blair-crony-responsible-behaviour-peers-filmed-taking-cocaine-200-night-prostitute-s-breasts-romp-two-escorts-discounted-flat.html

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Sorry but nicotine can never have the same addictive properties as heroin. There is quite a bit of missunderstanding on here on just what is a habit and what is a dependency addiction. Nicotine is a habitual substance but does not cause a physical and biological dependency.

 

There are no links between caffine or Nicotine to mental ilness, whereas studies have shown those links with cannabis.

 

My source is from a drug councellor who picks up the pieces from addictas who thought a joint wouldn't hur them.  

  

There are a lot of smokers who can't give up. They feel hey physically can't.

The difference is heroin has much worse addictive effects by that I mean makes you less healthy more quickly. Heroin is obviously more intoxicating by far too.

Your second point is like saying I know a guy who has a pint and his liver collapsed. Well yes, alcohol does damage the liver and could make a small difference (a bigger difference over decades) but it's a mute point.

You get a 'pump' going when you lift weights. That increase in strain on my heart could cause it to stop but 99.9% of the time it won't (should make it stronger long-term). 100m sprint/any sport really could kill you.

Is that how you live your life?

I prefer to 'seize the day' but each to their own.

From a PDF file I found online along with this chart it mentions this for each subject:Dependence: How difficult it is for the user to quit, the relapse rate, the percentage of people who eventually become dependent, the rating users give their own need for the

substance and the degree to which the substance will be used in the face of evidence that it causes harm.Withdrawal: Presence and severity of characteristic withdrawal symptoms.Tolerance: How much of the substance is needed to satisfy increasing cravings for it, and the level of stable need that is eventually reached.Reinforcement: A measure of the substance's ability, in human

and animal tests, to get users to take it again and again, and in preference to other substances.Intoxication:Though not usually counted as a measure of addiction in itself, the level of intoxication is associated with addiction and increases the personal and social damage a substance may do.

Cheers :)

The only thing I would say is strong strains of cannabis (in my opinion) are as intoxicating as alcohol. Some are very mild and could literally do any activity easily, some in between but a lot that are grown now are quite strong.

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How can you educate..? when its clear you need educating yourself..!!

How dare you! I have always been terrible at spelling but you cannot make such personal remarks on here so I have reported your post.

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How dare you! I have always been terrible at spelling but you cannot make such personal remarks on here so I have reported your post.

Calm down folks...I don't think it's your spelling NL's on about; he could have worded things a little better, though? :D

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