Jump to content
Cold?
Local
Radar
Snow?

Malaysian Airline flight MH370


Recommended Posts

anywhere in the SH ? 

 

the only thing that this episode has shown is the apparent lack of coverage in military radar.  the slowness of  various governments to come forward and state their position in this regard illustrates that they have no confidence in their systems. to say that the plane did not come across  their airspace and then have any investigation prove otherwise would show this.  we finally have them making these statements once there have been two satellite sightings of debris from separate sources.

Depends how one's mind works I suppose BA? Personally, I don't trust Governments. Especially the Americans and the British. They lie, cheat and steal their way to meet their own ends. Have you viewed or at least read the abbreviated transcript on how Diego Garcia came into being? Unbelievable to realise what your own Government is capable of.

We have David Milliband to thank for taking the High court's damning decision to the Law Lords in 2010 who then came down on the side of the

Government. To add insult to injury, they spent millions on creating a nature sanctuary completely surrounding the island which now prevents the islanders from ever returning.

I again personally think in the early days that the Malaysian Government was under duress not to part with any information. I also personally think that if Governments need to hide something they will, by whatever means. After all, they have successfully hidden the true facts of Diego Garcia for almost 40 years.  Just my personal opinion however.Posted Image

With regards to your statement regarding the apparent lack of coverage in military radar? I think considering the amount of valuable resources being stationed on that island and it's purpose, they would even be able to track  seagull poop  until it hits the water.

Edited by Blitzen
Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Replies 764
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Posts

Can we not make "funny" comments about this? It's not exactly appropriate.

OMFG the penny has just dropped. It's not India or Iran its only actually god dam N.A.R.N.I.A.Quick someone alert the authorities.

I'm very surprised you have missed the obvious flaw in your 'hypothesis'....the airliner depicted in the 'jungle image' is not a Boeing-777!......A 777 has two wing mounted engines, whereas the aircra

Posted Images

Depends how one's mind works I suppose BA? Personally, I don't trust Governments. Especially the Americans and the British. They lie, cheat and steal their way to meet their own ends. Have you viewed or at least read the abbreviated transcript on how Diego Garcia came into being? Unbelievable to realise what your own Government is capable of.

 

I'm surprised you find it unbelievable what out own government is capable of. Have you not read the history of the British Empire. What I find unbelievable is you say especially  the Americans and British.

 

Up until WW2 the US basically had an isolationist policy so frankly I wouldn't put it in the same league as the British and many other governments.

 

You give Diego Garcia as an example which is fair enough so how about Stalin and the Ukraine, In 1932-3 he set in motion events designed to cause a famine in the Ukraine to destroy the people there seeking independence from his rule. As a result, an estimated 7,000,000 persons perished in this farming area, known as the breadbasket of Europe, with the people deprived of the food they had grown with their own hands.

 

Or the Japanese when In December 1937, the Japanese army swept into the ancient city of Nanking. Within weeks, more than 300,000 Chinese civilians were systematically raped, tortured, and murdered—a death toll exceeding that of the atomic blasts of Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined.

 

One could go on listing the misdeeds of colonial powers etc but my point is I think it misleading to highlight the US and Britain, especially the former, in this context when others are at least as culpable, if not more so.

Edited by knocker
Link to post
Share on other sites

The worlds anti-aircraft defense radars and other secret equipment did not notice the Boeing 777, shocking, very shocking considering that a 777 is over 10 times the size of a cruise missile. 

It just does not add up. Perhaps somebody turned the radar/other devices off for a few hours...How long did some mobile phones stay on after the aircraft lost contact? that bit is weird too.

Like I said at the beginning, the chance of somebody accidentally shooting it down is possible. As time has gone by, weeks now, the worlds propaganda/TV channel news prog's (they are same thing)are not really pointing any fingers, yet. The wreckage may never be found, but more likely it will be found, but that may take months/years. If it was shot down it may remain hidden forever, we may never know the truth..

Edited by Rustynailer
Link to post
Share on other sites

A'noon Knocker. Well  of course I have no defence with regard to the activities of other Governments.  I am also ashamed to say my knowledge of the British Empire is somewhat limited too. However I do have a better grasp on this.  I think with all the recent events, it has stirred my interest shall we say and the realisation of what ALL governments are capable of comes as a shock to the system.  I appear to be 'working backwards' in my recent discoveries.  I certainly have a lot of reading to do.  I think it is fair to say though that my distrust in governments and their ruthlessness is a fair comment? Perhaps it is due to the fact that I have not  lived through wars and all that went with them as my limited knowledge was gleaned through family members' experiences.

I liked your Oscar Wilde's comment the other day  what was it? "With age comes wisdom but sometimes age comes alone?" I know exactly what he meant now!Posted Image

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

I'm surprised you find it unbelievable what out own government is capable of. Have you not read the history of the British Empire. What I find unbelievable is you say especially  the Americans and British.

 

Up until WW2 the US basically had an isolationist policy so frankly I wouldn't put it in the same league as the British and many other governments.

 

You give Diego Garcia as an example which is fair enough so how about Stalin and the Ukraine, In 1932-3 he set in motion events designed to cause a famine in the Ukraine to destroy the people there seeking independence from his rule. As a result, an estimated 7,000,000 persons perished in this farming area, known as the breadbasket of Europe, with the people deprived of the food they had grown with their own hands.

 

Or the Japanese when In December 1937, the Japanese army swept into the ancient city of Nanking. Within weeks, more than 300,000 Chinese civilians were systematically raped, tortured, and murdered—a death toll exceeding that of the atomic blasts of Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined.

 

One could go on listing the misdeeds of colonial powers etc but my point is I think it misleading to highlight the US and Britain, especially the former, in this context when others are at least as culpable, if not more so.

On the other hand I was driving around the M25, listening to the car radio when Bernie Grant - the late black MP for Tottenham was being interviewed; he said that out of all the colonial powers the British were the most benevolent.

 

So all in all we some goods things and bad things as far as our colonies were concerned but to act ruthlessly was in keeping with the times in those days - the 'white man' genuinely thought he was better than everybody else, this idea being perpetrated by the religious teachings of the time saying in effect that peoples' standing, class, race, rating and standing in life was pre-ordained by God - hence the line from 'All things bright and beautiful'...... 'the rich man in his castle and the poor man at his gate' or words to that effect, designed to show everybody their place.

 

Thankfully we have moved on a little since then but we still have a long way to go before we can live up to the ideals of  'Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité'

Link to post
Share on other sites

I expect that the analysts have access to specialist equipment which helps them sort out the wheat from the chaff which is not available to the rest of us. Apart from the red line on the photo I did not see anything.

Link to post
Share on other sites

A'noon Knocker. Well  of course I have no defence with regard to the activities of other Governments.  I am also ashamed to say my knowledge of the British Empire is somewhat limited too. However I do have a better grasp on this.  I think with all the recent events, it has stirred my interest shall we say and the realisation of what ALL governments are capable of comes as a shock to the system.  I appear to be 'working backwards' in my recent discoveries.  I certainly have a lot of reading to do.  I think it is fair to say though that my distrust in governments and their ruthlessness is a fair comment? Perhaps it is due to the fact that I have not  lived through wars and all that went with them as my limited knowledge was gleaned through family members' experiences.

I liked your Oscar Wilde's comment the other day  what was it? "With age comes wisdom but sometimes age comes alone?" I know exactly what he meant now!Posted Image

 

Spot on Blltzen.Posted Image And yes Oscar was right as the older I get the more I realise how little I know.Posted Image

Edited by knocker
  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

I know there have been times that the debris hasn't been located and not helped there is a typhoon on the way but looks as though they may be close to locating the objects.. The australian p3 Orion has reported two as well those reported by the Chinese aircraft.. And seperate ones too.... Lets hope hey for these families...

Link to post
Share on other sites

ships are racing to a possible sighting of debris. bouys deployed to flow along with the currents and help the tracking of the direction of flow. increasing looking likely that the souther search area is the possible crash area of the aircraft. must be remembered though, there are tons of rubbish in the ocean and all sightings are not for definite until physical examination.

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

An Australian plane searching for missing flight MH370 has located two further objects within the search area. The objects were spotted about 1550 miles south-west of Perth by a Royal Australian Air Force P3 Orion aircraft. "The crew on board the Orion reported seeing two objects, the first a grey or green circular object and the second an orange rectangular object,"

 

Australian military ship HMAS Success is the only vessel currently within the search area and will try to retrieve the two objects over the next few hours.

 

The US Navy has also announced it is sending one of its high-tech black box detectors to the southern Indian Ocean. The towed pinger locator, which is pulled behind a vessel at slow speeds, has highly sensitive listening capability so that if the wreck site is located, it can hear the black box pinger down to a depth of about 20,000ft (6,100 metres). The navy called the move a "precautionary measure" in case those sightings confirm the location of the aircraft which disappeared on March 8 with 239 people on board. US Seventh Fleet Operations Officer Commander Chris Budde said in a statement: "If debris is found we will be able to respond as quickly as possible since the battery life of the black box's pinger is limited."

http://news.sky.com/story/1230886/malaysia-jet-two-more-objects-sighted-from-air

Link to post
Share on other sites

The concern of course is that the flotsom could be anything. The area is on trade route between S Africa and Australia and I would think cargo is lost fairly frequently in the heavy seas of the Southern Indian Ocean.

 

Hopefully the Ozzie ship can locate these items quickly for identification.

Link to post
Share on other sites

 

Statement from airline: Malaysia Airlines deeply regrets that we have to assume beyond any reasonable doubt that MH370 has been lost and that none of those on board survived.

 

 

REPORT: INVESTIGATORS NOW LOOKING FOR “MYSTERY WOMAN†WHO CALLED MALAYSIA AIRLINES PILOT BEFORE TAKEOFF FROM PHONY ID

 

Not sure why they are sending the families to Oz... Must have found something.

 

 

AAIB briefed PM that Inmarsat have completed "unprecedented" further analysis, have concluded 370 flew along Southern corridor, last position Indian Ocean W of Perth.

Edited by R.P. McMurphy
Link to post
Share on other sites

Not sure why they are sending the families to Oz... Must have found something.

Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak says "with great sadness" data now confirms that the aircraft's last position was in the Indian Ocean south of Perth.Cos the debris is the plane wreckage by the sounds of it.

 

Bang goes a lot of peoples theorys that it was being hidden somewhere.

Edited by No Balls Like Snow Balls
Link to post
Share on other sites

Xue Long has turned right.

 

http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:97.2061/centery:-40.66637/zoom:8/oldmmsi:412863000/olddate:lastknown#

 

Presumably heading for the last location/wreckage...

 

Interesting developemts RE bogus phone call to Pilot before take off from a woman...

Link to post
Share on other sites

Flight MH370 ended in the southern Indian Ocean, Malaysian PM tells reporters after giving new satellite information

 

Missing plane has been "lost" and there are no survivors, Malaysia Airlines text message to families says

 
Link to post
Share on other sites

Well what a way to get the dog's called off. This, without any wreckage being identified as belonging to the plane yet? What a load of baloney! Wonderful thing this new, never before used technology eh? Must be a comfort to know that our beyond reproach Government is involved in the solution! (NOT!!)

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

 

Flight MH370 ended in the southern Indian Ocean, Malaysian PM tells reporters after giving new satellite information

 

Missing plane has been "lost" and there are no survivors, Malaysia Airlines text message to families says

 

 

 

At least we are starting to get some form of closure...

 

Albeit not a lot. Basically Malaysia airlines has said the Plane has been "Lost" - Which we already know.

 

There must be something more they have found besides "another" debris field.

 

 

"This is a remote location, far from any possible landing site," he said in a brief, televised statement. "It is therefore with deep sadness and regret that I must inform you that according to this new data flight MH370 3 ended in the southern Indian Ocean."

 

How sad :-(

Edited by R.P. McMurphy
Link to post
Share on other sites

Well what a way to get the dog's called off. This, without any wreckage being identified as belonging to the plane yet? What a load of baloney! Wonderful thing this new, never before used technology eh? Must be a comfort to know that our beyond reproach Government is involved in the solution! (NOT!!)

There will be another press conference tomorrow, so probable they will confirm wreckage then.Congratulations you have won first prize in being the first to mention baloney about the British governments involvement / non involvement. Please allow 3-5 days working for delivery of your trophy.You could of course actually be proud that our own AAIB will perhaps help solve the mystery, but nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnoooooooooooooooooooooooo you would be much happier bashing them wouldn't you. Edited by No Balls Like Snow Balls
Link to post
Share on other sites

2:17 pm

Here is Prime Minister Najib Razak's full statement.

"This evening I was briefed by representatives from the UK Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB).

"They informed me that Inmarsat, the UK company that provided the satellite data which indicated the northern and southern corridors, has been performing further calculations on the data.

"Using a type of analysis never before used in an investigation of this sort, they have been able to shed more light on MH370’s flight path.

"Based on their new analysis, Inmarsat and the AAIB have concluded that MH370 flew along the southern corridor and that its last position was in the middle of the Indian Ocean, west of Perth.

"This is a remote location. Far from any possible landing sites. It is therefore with deep sadness and regret that I must inform you that, according to this new data, flight MH370 ended in the southern Indian Ocean."

"We will be holding a press conference tomorrow with further details. In the meantime, we wanted to inform you of this new development at the earliest opportunity.

"We share this information out of a commitment to openness and respect for the families, two principles which have guided this investigation.

"Malaysia Airlines have already spoken to the families of the passengers and the crew to inform them of this development.

"For them the past few weeks have been heartbreaking. I know this news must be harder still. i urge the media to respect their privacy and allow them the space they need at this very difficult time."

Link to post
Share on other sites

So, in a nut shell:

 

  • Nothing found
  • No black box
  • No debris found/confirmed
  • Malaysia PM says it's Lost
  • Lt. Gen McInerney says Plane is in Pakistan & he's had it confirmed by a source
  • MAS fly families to Australia to tell them everyone is dead and the plane "Ended"

So really, we don't know anything. They must be holding something back to tell the families this, with zero evidence.

Edited by reef
  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

You could of course actually be proud that our own AAIB will perhaps help solve the mystery, but nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnoooooooooooooooooooooooo you would be much happier bashing them wouldn't you.

 

I am not bashing the AAIB, I am bashing the British Government. It's all very convenient. It all appears like a well directed script! An accident? ......maybe, but not likely given the shenanigans of this extraordinary affair!

My condolences to the families.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
×
×
  • Create New...