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The Kremlin have said that the apparent ultimatum issued against Ukrainian forces is complete baloney. I'm not 100% sure of their word given how quickly their claims of seeking dialogue turned into military mobilisation.

 

Putin has completely sandbagged everyone over this. He knew full well the West would shake their heads and tut instead of risking a full-on military confrontation, no matter how rashly Russia is behaving.

 

Right now it's a question of how far Putin is willing to go to restore a pro-Russian government in Kiev. It's classic brinksmanship: I very much doubt Putin wants to start World War 3, but when this blows over Russia will at the very least retain de facto control of Crimea and probably have the rest of Ukraine by the balls, with the West too busy breathing a sigh of relief to care.

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There is no good and evil here. The west is perfectly happy to support nutters and tyrants when it suits, just as Russia and China do. Both sides have been interfering in Ukraine, and both have being

john Kerry makes me want to vomit!! Laying flowers as a mark of respect to the people who lost their lives in the takeover? shaking hands with members of the public promising help?  arriving with  a

If Russia is not careful NATO will de friend them from Facebook.....

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What a difference one hundred and sixty years makes.

 

One hundred and sixty years ago William Howard Russell became what is considered the first war correspondent after he spent 22 months covering the Crimean War.

 

Fast forward to the present and the internet age. Now we a positively swamped with continuous news snippets, conspiracy theories, self-appointed experts, the blame game, ignorance, hysteria and general mayhem. I find it completely unedifying. In a few days the dust will settle and ventilators can be recharged awaiting the next bout of hysteria.

 

As someone pointed out in an earlier post (apologies for forgetting who it was) Syria appears to be forgotten at the moment. Syria? Why what;s happening there?

 

More than 10,000 children have been killed in the Syrian civil war, the United Nations says, while many more are subjected to "unspeakable" suffering, including rape, torture and recruitment for combat.

 

Thousands more have also been forced to flee their homes during the three-year conflict, according to a report released this week to the Security Council and posted on the UN website.

 

Carry on supporting your old mate Bashhar Mr Putin.

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As someone pointed out in an earlier post (apologies for forgetting who it was) Syria appears to be forgotten at the moment. Syria? Why what;s happening there?

 

More than 10,000 children have been killed in the Syrian civil war, the United Nations says, while many more are subjected to "unspeakable" suffering, including rape, torture and recruitment for combat.

 

Thousands more have also been forced to flee their homes during the three-year conflict, according to a report released this week to the Security Council and posted on the UN website.

 

Carry on supporting your old mate Bashhar Mr Putin.

Crimea is happening because the west was/is weak in its response to the Syrian war and Russian support for the Bashhar regime.

The west is looking equally weak in responding to the Ukraine crisis. It beggars belief that the UK govt won't even consider financial sanctions or curb trade with Russia!

 

Next stop Vilnius?? Those living in the Baltic states will no doubt be getting increasingly anxious.

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Is it me? or Tim Wilcox from BBC news is reporting from heaven? Because behind him is just all white.

 

Look on the bright side if Russia takes Crimea then it will be cheaper to go holiday to there.

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Not sure if this is 100% real yet, need some more sources, but funny timing if true...

 

http://wtfrly.com/2014/03/04/large-oil-refinery-tatarstan-on-fire/#.UxWaYVKYZFo

 

Edit, Another source http://englishrussia.com/2014/03/03/largest-oil-refinery-in-europe-is-on-fire/

 

 

 

 

“Neftekamskneftehim†is the largest in Europe oil refinery [probably not?]. It is located in Tatarstan, Russia and today at 7.00pm Moscow Time tens of firemen were urgently summoned as the oil giant got on fire. More photos and videos inside.

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Crimea is happening because the west was/is weak in its response to the Syrian war and Russian support for the Bashhar regime.

The west is looking equally weak in responding to the Ukraine crisis. It beggars belief that the UK govt won't even consider financial sanctions or curb trade with Russia!

 

Next stop Vilnius?? Those living in the Baltic states will no doubt be getting increasingly anxious.

 

That is probably correct as the US has certainly been adopting a more isolationist position recently. Public opinion driven? The interim deal with Iran, reluctant to lead in Libya and also not rushing in to Syria. The US public saw what happened in Iraq and Afghanistan. Basically a blank check for Putin.

 

The EU are in a much stronger position to impose financial/trade sanctions than the US so should stop vacillating and get on with it instead of blowing the usual hot air around. Although in the long term the US foreign policy could have a bigger say as Justin Webb put it today.

 

There is just one area where foreign policy aims and domestic priorities might fit happily together. America has a superabundance of fracked gas but, as yet, not much of an infrastructure to export it. The Energy Department has issued permits for six export terminals that would liquefy gas and load it on to tankers. More could come soon. There is even talk of overturning the decades old ban on exporting US oil.

 

Energy exports could well be the bedrock of all future US foreign policy. From G8 summits to your cooker: Russian gas switched off. It’s not exactly shock and awe, but it might be Mr Obama’s best, and most popular, move.

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I think the West should think twice on sanctioning Russia because if they do, Russia will embrace extremism. The West should back off, keep quiet and stay neutral. If Russia gets into recession it would led to extremism long term.

 

Nobody wants an Extremist Russia, it be a disaster.

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http://english.pravda.ru/news/world/04-03-2014/127011-viktor_yanukovych_dies-0/

 

Yanukovych dead of a Heart Attack an opposition leader says.

 

Prob a hoax... Lets wait and see. Just shows the level of propaganda and lies trying to be spread, because I doubt he is dead.

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That's the whole point. Putin is no idiot and he's not going to let the Russian economy go to rack and ruin over some gungho policy when he realises when push comes to shove the west will react. Any other policy would be tantamount to keeping the traffic lights permanently on green.

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Putin on West: they follow own interests, say "if you're not with us, you're against us" then "drag the whole rest of the world with them"

 

So true.

 

Putin: we are not going to war with brotherly #Ukraine's people, we are there to defend them, I stress this

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After all that time, Putin just said only local defense forces (paramilitary force) are occupying Crimea. Phew!! Crisis is over!!Posted Image

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After all that time, Putin just said only local defense forces (paramilitary force) are occupying Crimea. Phew!! Crisis is over!!Posted Image

 

Yeah, all 16,000 of them lol

 

Putin suggests that snipers who shot protestors in Kiev may have been "provocateurs from an oppositon party"

 

Hinting at the West ?

 

This is a chess match. Putin has made his move. He's not going in any further. But if the US applies sanctions it's on. Obama your move

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Yeah, all 16,000 of them lol

 

Putin suggests that snipers who shot protestors in Kiev may have been "provocateurs from an oppositon party"

 

Hinting at the West ?

Ukraine should've dealt with them by now before they get too many troops. I think its too late to get Crimea back. Otherwise it be a massacre. Posted Image Never mind. Crisis is still on.

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Ukraine should've dealt with them by now before they get too many troops. I think its too late to get Crimea back. Otherwise it be a massacre. Posted Image Never mind. Crisis is still on.

 

For me, Putin is a genius. It's actually beginning to get funny now. Just read on CNN that everything in Crimea is a weird kind of relaxed normalcy. People going on about their lives.

Putin is simply going to sit in Crimea until their referendum vote on the 30th of March.... then he's just going to leave Crimea, and the "situation" will be over.

What does this mean? It means that Obama, Kerry, Nuland, and the West that are all fired up are going to get egg on their face. Putin is showing the world how you protect the interests of your allies, by showing solidarity, standing next to your friends. The way the US shows it's support for it's allies is to totally wreck their countries with armed and funded revolutionaries that end up in bloody multi-year destabilizations.

Putin is completely owning Obama right now, and it's hilarious. He's going to show the world how to do it and, I'm willing to wager, the world will slowly back away, just like with Syria, from Obama / Kerry and their inflammatory rhetoric.

 

Just look at the Russian Markets as his speech is on-going: Sberbank in London shoots higher +7,45% Gazprom +10%, Lukoil +6,37% as VVP speaks in Moscow

 

What's funny, is I just switched to CNN... Headline - Putin threatens more military action.

 

I can honestly say, I am still watching Putin and have not heard the above yet.

 

Propaganda from the West & USA. Idiots, the lot of them.

 

From BBC

 

11:32:

Highlights from President Putin's news conference:

  • Events in Kiev amount to an anti-constitutional coup
  • Former President Yanukovych has no political future
  • Russian forces have not taken part in operations in Crimea
  • Russia is not thinking of annexing Crimea
  • Threat of sanctions from the West is counter-productive
  • Russian actions in Ukraine are in accordance with international law
  • Russia will not recognise the outcome of upcoming presidential elections in Ukraine if the current "terror" continues
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Looks like the West just sanctioned on Russia for doing nothing. Putin just actually just sit back and laughed at the West. William Hague is still considering sanctions now. The one who broke international law is the West. Not Russia.

 

The West is such a laughing stock.

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This pretty much sums up my thoughts on the matter

 

http://www.snouts-in-the-trough.com/archives/8687

 

As our politicians and the docile mainstream media beat the war drums over Russia’s supposed “aggression†in the Ukraine, I’d like to try to provide a slightly more balanced view.

 

1. Kerry’s, Obama’s, Hague’s and Cameron’s hypocrisy

Our leaders have been bleating about Russia violating the “territorial integrity†of the Ukraine. Um, what about when the US invaded Grenada and Panama? And what about when the US and UK invaded Iraq and Afghanistan? Didn’t we violate those countries’ territorial integrity?

 

2. Nobody has been killed by the Russians

When the US invaded Grenada and Panama a few people got killed. When we attacked Iraq (on false pretences) and Afghanistan hundreds of thousands died. The Russians have taken over the Crimea with absolute professionalism without a single person being injured or killed.

 

3. The Ukraine has a large Russian population

There weren’t many Americans or Brits to protect when we started the mass slaughter in Iraq because of Tony Blair’s supposed weapons of mass destruction. And while 9/11 possibly justified ousting the Taliban from Afghanistan, we should have just thrown them out and then got out. But there are large areas of the Ukraine with a predominantly Russian population and who want nothing to do with the new EU-sponsored Government. Putin had not just a right, but a duty to protect them against the inevitable repression – banning the Russian language, stopping Russians from getting jobs etc – that would follow the new government’s takeover

 

4. The Ukraine is in Russia’s backyard and used to be part of Russia

Wtf was the idiotic Baroness Ashton thinking, when she and her EU cronies tried to pull the Ukraine away from Russia and towards the EU? Did she think that Russia would just shrug and let it happen? Until 1954, the Crimea and Eastern Ukraine were actually parts of Russia. The Ukraine is of huge strategic importance to Russia. It also houses the Russian fleet’s only 12-month ice-free port. Did Ashton think Russia would just give this up? What a blundering idiot only out to get attention for herself.

 

5. A lot of countries are run by nasty kleptocrats

One of our leaders’ excuses for intervening is that the ousted Ukrainian president was an unpleasant, autocratic, thieving scumbag. But pretty much all countries in Africa are run by unpleasant, autocratic, thieving scumbags. And pretty much all countries in South America are run by unpleasant, autocratic, thieving scumbags. And many Asian countries (India, Pakistan, Bangladesh etc) are run by unpleasant, autocratic, thieving scumbags. We can’t sort them all out. It’s up to their own people to do that.

 

5. We should be working with Russia against our common enemy – “radical†Islam

And finally, our cretinous leaders are fighting the last war, instead of focusing on the real future threat to our civilisation – “radical†Islam. We should be working with Russia to combat Islamic fundamentalism.

So, please don’t believe our lying leaders as they scream abuse and hurl threats at Russia. It’s mostly hypocrisy, lies and stupidity. It’s a pity none of our mainstream media will tell the truth.

 

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Fact is I just do not trust anything in the media sometimes - the 'information' we are sometimes spoonfed is laughable and contradictory. The only people that really know what is going on are the people there involved who have not been influenced by outside people/organisations/governments. Problem is they often go unheard.

 

How many times have situations been exaggerated in the Western news only to disappear from the headlines a couple of weeks later? Unless Putin invades further into Ukraine or starts an offensive, the current situation is a blockade/neutralisation.

 

But I can see both sides of the arguement. Russia's side of things is they still view the ousted President of Ukraine as the legitimate leader by law who requested Putin's military assistance to keep the peace and security. They do not recognise elements of the new Ukranian government. The majority of Crimea is pro-Russian (BUT not all). If they were to lose their base on the peninsula, it would take away a strategic position for the Black Sea Fleet, so of course they don't want it to fall into the hands of a sudden new government they do not trust. Would we?

 

But yes, technically it is Ukranian land and Russia have dug in so you can see why people are calling it an invasion. Unmarked soldiers surrounding key locations taking control of everything is a worrying sight to behold anywhere. Looks very ominous...and the worry is...what next if anything?

 

Elements within the new Ukranian government were not elected and just took/were given positions. How does that make them any more trustworthy than the Russian government? I don't even trust our own...

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I do understand Putin says '' Russia will not recognise the outcome of upcoming presidential elections in Ukraine if the current "terror" continues'' It means he will not recognize the upcoming Ukrainian elections unless Ukrainians give up Crimea to Russia or some kind of deal between Crimeans and Ukrainians to keep Crimea. If Ukrainians and Crimeans began shooting each other, then Putin would order his Army to protect the Russians in Eastern Ukraine and Crimea.

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Trouble is now, the west is damned if it does, damned if it doesn't.

 

If we do nothing, it will seriously undermine the west's influence across the world and make us look like we are spineless wimps, who won't stand up to anyone their own size. Plus if we wriggle out of the memorandum, then it will practically invalidate every treaty and promise we've ever made, which will seriously hurt trade, which is the main thing (money again!)

 

If we impose sanctions, we will be plunged into a huge recession and that would just lead to ever rising tensions and eventual war, I can't imagine we would sit on our hands after the gas has gone off and the russian's default on their debt to us and america.

 

Putin really has played a trump card and has showed the west up badly, it's really embarrassing knowing how powerless we are.

 

The only way out of this whole mess is if Putin withdraws troops from Crimea and then the Ukraine partitions itself without outside help.

 

Either way, Putin has won! 

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Putin really has played a trump card and has showed the west up badly, it's really embarrassing knowing how powerless we are.

 

The only way out of this whole mess is if Putin withdraws troops from Crimea and then the Ukraine partitions itself without outside help.

 

Either way, Putin has won! 

 

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I wish he was our PM.

 

12:54:

America is concentrating on meeting Ukraine's four most pressing needs, a US treasury statement says. These are:

  • Implementing critical economic reforms and cushioning their impact on vulnerable Ukrainians
  • Conducting free, fair and inclusive elections, with robust involvement by a strong and independent civil society and media
  • Combating corruption and recovering stolen assets
  • Withstanding "politically motivated trade actions" by Russia.

The above, so basically everything Putin is doing, America want's to do. Just can't keep their war mongering noses out can they.

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