Snow and Ice in the Northern Hemisphere 2013/14

[weatherguy]

The latest value: 6,796,978 km²â€‚

(October 12, 2013)

But I thought low sea ice is contributing to colder winters for the UK, so if we want a cold winter here in the UK we would want to see less ice

 

 

If there is a correlation, it's not a completely solid one...I don't know the figures but I doubt sea ice extent was as low as it is now back in 63, or many of our famous winters through the 20th century.  

 

Logically, it is a factor that must have an impact in some way, but it is just one of many.

Edited October 13, 2013 by weatherguy

[stewfox]

If there is a correlation, it's not a completely solid one...I don't know the figures but I doubt sea ice extent was as low as it is now back in 63, or many of our famous winters through the 20th century.  

 

Logically, it is a factor that must have an impact in some way, but it is just one of many.

 

Sea ice is still 2,000,000 below the 1980s average (at this time of year), I would have a thought it would be around 2,000,000 + below the 1960s value

 

The average ice extent for October 12th in the 1980s was 8,735,343  (cf 6,796,978 this year) last year on 12th October we were at just 4,795,551 !!

 

http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/seaice/extent/plot_v2.csv

 

Lots of articles re amplification of global warming over the Arctic is reducing the equator to pole temperature gradient, thereby weakening the strength of the mid-latitude jet streams , more blocking cold uk etc

 

 

http://www.thegwpf.org/met-office-admits-arctic-sea-ice-cold-winter/

 

 

Edited October 13, 2013 by stewfox

[Gavin Hannah]

Today's IMS image.

 

 

 

[Mark Neal.]

Today's IMS image.

 

cursnow_asiaeurope.gif

 

Forever growing! We are doing incredibly well, am lovely the daily updates with the progress which we are making, we are up on many of the last few winters? A good omen perhaps. Obviously one part of the jigsaw.

Edited October 13, 2013 by Mark N

[Neilsouth]

Damn not just the snow levels but check out the rate of ice increase!

 

Funny how it barely gets a mention in the Media, but if it was LOW they'd be jumping all over it

Edited October 13, 2013 by Victor Meldrew

[thetonynator]

Damn not just the snow levels but check out the rate of ice increase! Funny how it barely gets a mention in the Media, but if it was LOW they'd be jumping all over it

It is low, very low in fact. 2 million sq km lower than the 1980's average extent - what amazes me is the lack of coverage any year gets, low or not.

[LincolnSnowstorm]

Global sea ice area trend seems to have improved recently long may it continue. 

 

Any guesses/thoughts  on the next move of the red and blue snow anomalies over the week?

Blue pushing towards/into eastern europe, Red fragmenting over Canada? http://www.yr.no/place/Canada/Nunavut/Rankin_Inlet/long.html

 

 

Some Scandinavian long forecasts looking interesting  http://www.yr.no/place/Sweden/Norrbotten/Arjeplogs_Kommun/long.html

http://www.yr.no/place/Norway/Troms/Troms%C3%B8/Troms%C3%B8/long.html

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 13, 2013 by LincolnSnowstorm

[Mark Bayley]

Great to see all the positive anomalies over Europe and Asia, which i suspect will increase in the coming days, especially nearer our side. This certainly bodes well for Cohens theory!

 

[Turnedoutniceagain]

Today's IMS image.

 

cursnow_asiaeurope.gif

 

Big ice gains in a week. Very impressive

[cheese]

Snowing nicely in northern Finland:

 

 

http://www2.liikennevirasto.fi/alk/english/kelikamerat/kamera-C1451601.html

 

About the best you can expect in a typical UK winter!

Edited October 14, 2013 by cheese

[Dancerwithwings]

Snowing nicely in northern Finland:

 

 

http://www2.liikennevirasto.fi/alk/english/kelikamerat/kamera-C1451601.html

 

About the best you can expect in a typical UK winter!

 

Looks even better when the snows coming down......Click on 20:03

 

http://alk.tiehallinto.fi/alk/kelikamerat/kamera-C1451601.html#

Edited October 14, 2013 by Dancerwithwings

[Iceni]

Snowing nicely in northern Finland:

 

 

http://www2.liikennevirasto.fi/alk/english/kelikamerat/kamera-C1451601.html

 

About the best you can expect in a typical UK winter!

 

 

 

Looks like the outskirts of Cambridge did this year. A few miles outside the urban heat island it was double that and we hung onto it for 2 or 3 weeks.

 

In 2010, it was nearly 2 months - I even started to get bored with white fields in every direction - which is most unusual for me.

Edited October 14, 2013 by Iceni

[smithyweather]

Snowing nicely in northern Finland:

http://www2.liikennevirasto.fi/alk/english/kelikamerat/kamera-C1451601.html

About the best you can expect in a typical UK winter!

We get more snow than that.

Snowing nicely in northern Finland:

http://www2.liikennevirasto.fi/alk/english/kelikamerat/kamera-C1451601.html

About the best you can expect in a typical UK winter!

We get more snow than that.

[feb1991blizzard]

We get more snow than that.We get more snow than that.

 

But not in mid October though.

[smithyweather]

Snowing nicely in northern Finland:

http://www2.liikennevirasto.fi/alk/english/kelikamerat/kamera-C1451601.html

About the best you can expect in a typical UK winter!

Looks like the outskirts of Cambridge did this year. A few miles outside the urban heat island it was double that and we hung onto it for 2 or 3 weeks.

In 2010, it was nearly 2 months - I even started to get bored with white fields in every direction - which is most unusual for me.

You had two months!?

I had 5 weeks of constant snow cover. No way you had more than me.

[LincolnSnowstorm]

Snow advances Saturday  latest look Monday 

[SNOW-HEATWAVE-YES]

First proper snow in Northern Finland: http://www2.liikennevirasto.fi/alk/english/kelikamerat/kamera-C1453507.html

[Dancerwithwings]

Yes hammering it down  and look at how they see it in brackets below,

TIME, 13:06

AIR  -1.4 °C
ROAD SURF.  0.0 °C
PRECIPIT....... ( LIGHT)
ROAD COND....... ( POSS. SLIPPERY)

 

If that was the UK, The METO would have warnings out for it

Edited October 15, 2013 by Dancerwithwings

[Gavin Hannah]

The latest value: 7,029,839 km²â€‚(October 14, 2013)

 

 

Over 7 Million now.

 

http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm

 

 

And a decent amount of snow below 60N.

Edited October 15, 2013 by IBringTheHammer

[beng]

 

 

 

Over 7 Million now.

 

http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm

 

 

 

And a decent amount of snow below 60N

 

 

I would think then that the first year ice created this winter will be thicker than recent years due to the earlier freeze. It'll be interesting to see what if any impact this has on next year's summer minimum.

[smithyweather]

Yes hammering it down and look at how they see it in brackets below,

TIME, 13:06

AIR -1.4 °C

ROAD SURF. 0.0 °C

PRECIPIT....... ( LIGHT)

ROAD COND....... ( POSS. SLIPPERY)

If that was the UK, The METO would have warnings out for it

I don't think they would you can see the grass

[Dancerwithwings]

I don't think they would you can see the grass

Now't to do with seeing the grass! It was the road conditions (PRECIPIT. LIGHT)+( POSS. SLIPPERY) i was looking at ! and in seeing the road condition at 31:06.

In the UK that would be seen as ( Bad road conditions) and the METO would have warnings out for that.

 

Its just the locals up there just get on with it not like in the uk where everything stops.

 

Looks a touch different now though

 

 

http://www2.liikennevirasto.fi/alk/english/kelikamerat/kelikamerat_5.html

 

I find this interesting not just where the roads are bad now but it also shows where theres going to be poor conitions over the next few hours,

 

http://www2.liikennevirasto.fi/alk/english/keliennuste/

Edited October 15, 2013 by Dancerwithwings

[Gavin Hannah]

Now't to do with seeing the grass! It was the road conditions (PRECIPIT. LIGHT)+( POSS. SLIPPERY) i was looking at ! and in seeing the road condition at 31:06.

In the UK that would be seen as ( Bad road conditions) and the METO would have warnings out for that.

 

Its just the locals up there just get on with it not like in the uk where everything stops.

 

True, but the vast majority of the year in the uk is spent under atypical weather i.e - run of the mill conditions.  We get maybe at most, a month, of snow and sub zero temps during any winter.  Scandi's are well used to those conditions and a taught to drive in them.  

[Iceni]

You had two months!?I had 5 weeks of constant snow cover. No way you had more than me.

 

It was 7 weeks to be exact. We're at 374 ft (highest in EA) and miles out in the East Anglian countryside. We first got snow the last week of November which lasted right through on most of the fields to the middle of the second week of January. Maybe the heavy boulder clay keeps it cold enough for lying snow. We had about a week's worth of –10/–15ºC nights.

 

Farmers can't grow any summer vegetables as the soil doesn't warm up quickly enough. They have to sow their winter wheat and oilseed rape at the end of the previous summer or it doesn't germinate.

Edited October 15, 2013 by Iceni

[BornFromTheVoid]

Daily sea ice extent changes up to the 14th.

 

 

The daily mean increase for the 2002 to 2012 period is now very high, with the next 10 days averaging an increase of 126k per day, with 2007-2012 period averaging 139k per day.

We've already dropped back below 2006, so the daily increase for this year will have to remain very high in order to keep up with recent years.