Snow and Ice in the Northern Hemisphere 2013/14

[bobbydog]

nice gains today-

 

 

yesterday

 

 

quite big positive anomalies-

 

Edited September 23, 2013 by bobbydog

[mountain shadow]

That is a big jump, more of the same this coming Winter please.

[Nights King]

Looks more like early October?

 

How will we achieve our rapid October snow build up if we have already a high values in September?

[bobbydog]

Looks more like early October?

 

How will we achieve our rapid October snow build up if we have already a high values in September?

 

i'm not sure it matters. we could still get rapid build up in october but with a good head start. bearing in mind we are nearing the end of september anyway

[Methuselah]

Looks more like early October?

 

How will we achieve our rapid October snow build up if we have already a high values in September?

Could be a sign of an early winter, M83...

[sebastiaan1973]

Looks more like early October?

 

How will we achieve our rapid October snow build up if we have already a high values in September?

That's exactly what I'm thinking. Cohen refers to october.

 

But I presume that the physical mechanism will work anyhow (if it continous to snow in october), altough it's not october. So it ain't that important (in my opinion) the SAI will be not a high (steep) as long as there is enough snowcover. This might be a good start.

Edited September 23, 2013 by sebastiaan1973

[bobbydog]

That's exactly what I'm thinking. Cohen refers to october.

 

But I presume that the physical mechanism will work anyhow (if it continous to snow in october), altough it's not october. So it ain't that important (in my opinion) the SAI will be not a high (steep) as long as there is enough snowcover. This might be a good start.

 

i think some people are possibly reading too much into the october thing. cohen specifies october as it is usually the month that the snow cover begins to advance. its not necessarily the speed of advance during october, as such, more important is the amount on the ground (or area covered) by the end of the month (or thereabouts), as this is what aids diabatic cooling. therefore, any snow cover in september would be an advantage

 

basically an early start to the snow doesn't spoil things, it helps!

 

let it snow, let it snow, let it snow!!

[Isolated Frost]

Just what my analogues were going for... enjoy November, then have a long wait until the fun starts again in February...

[Methuselah]

Just what my analogues were going for... enjoy November, then have a long wait until the fun starts again in February...

Nowt like a swift kick in the analogues, IF...

[Nights King]

That's exactly what I'm thinking. Cohen refers to october.

 

But I presume that the physical mechanism will work anyhow (if it continous to snow in october), altough it's not october. So it ain't that important (in my opinion) the SAI will be not a high (steep) as long as there is enough snowcover. This might be a good start.

 

 

Cheers for replies I was almost worried early snow could turn it into a pants up affair  Now we wouldn't want that... 

 

Lets hope we see it advancing towards the UK at record pace this year and then stay for a few months

[BornFromTheVoid]

Just what my analogues were going for... enjoy November, then have a long wait until the fun starts again in February...

 

Are your analogues showing low pressure to our east and strong heights to the north and north west by any chance?

[LincolnSnowstorm]

Looks more like early October?

 

How will we achieve our rapid October snow build up if we have already a high values in September?

Here's what early October  (end of first week) looks like, often  a lot more snow cover compared to today so its pretty normal at this time. (room for improvement) 

 

   http://gickr.com/results3/anim_b78621b6-ca3b-a394-25c7-65cac75561d0.gif

 

 

 

point barrow looking fab and proper wintery earlier today, the temps there have dived recently 

Edited September 23, 2013 by LincolnSnowstorm

[summer blizzard]

Looks more like early October?

 

How will we achieve our rapid October snow build up if we have already a high values in September?

 

I've not read the paper but i do recall somebody saying that it mentioned longitudinal extent being an important factor so presumably we want snow as close to Europe as possible by months end.

[cyclonic happiness]

Snow cover is far more important to our winters rather than the ice cover.

 

Get ready for the ride of you lives this winter guys :-D

[LincolnSnowstorm]

I've not read the paper but i do recall somebody saying that it mentioned longitudinal extent being an important factor so presumably we want snow as close to Europe as possible by months end.

24 October 2010 showing the way it should be done....as much as possible as close as possible.  

[be cause]

24 October 2010 showing the way it should be done....as much as possible as close as possible.  Untitled.png

29th Oct. 2008 is my marker .. more snow here than at anytime last winter ! I note in my diary I called it 'my polar low' .. having forecast snow that October and declared the 'end of global warming ' a fortnight earlier. 

[Mark Neal.]

Some good snow gains and we are doing nicely as we move closer to winter. Fingers crossed it continues!

Edited September 23, 2013 by Mark Neal.

[Gavin Hannah]

The latest value: 5,001,261 km²â€‚(September 22, 2013)

 

 

http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm

[sebastiaan1973]

Here's what early October  (end of first week) looks like, often  a lot more snow cover compared to today so its pretty normal at this time. (room for improvement) 

 

   cursnow_asiaeurope (1).gifhttp://gickr.com/results3/anim_b78621b6-ca3b-a394-25c7-65cac75561d0.gif

 

 

 

point barrow looking fab and proper wintery earlier today, the temps there have dived recently 09_45_46_761_ABCam_20130923_0938.jpg

You compare 22 nd of october with 7& 8 october, that's a difference of 2 weeks. That's a lot in this situation. When you take a look at the daily departure chart, you'll notice big blue areas. Indicating a positive anomaly. This is the situation of yesterday.

Edited September 24, 2013 by sebastiaan1973

[LincolnSnowstorm]

You compare 22 nd of october with 7& 8 october, that's a difference of 2 weeks. That's a lot in this situation. When you take a look at the daily departure chart, you'll notice big blue areas. Indicating a positive anomaly. This is the situation of yesterday.

my reply was to put a picture on the comment 'it looks like early October' So you sound like you would agree with me that  it looks good but not that good.

[LincolnSnowstorm]

29th Oct. 2008 is my marker .. more snow here than at anytime last winter ! I note in my diary I called it 'my polar low' .. having forecast snow that October and declared the 'end of global warming ' a fortnight earlier. 

I see what you mean  then later on 

[sebastiaan1973]

my reply was to put a picture on the comment 'it looks like early October' So you sound like you would agree with me that  it looks good but not that good.

okay!

[LincolnSnowstorm]

More signs of the Autumn arriving white paint gets spilt more in cold weather.  

 

http://weatherspark.com/averages/33843/Norilsk-Taymyr-Autonomous-Okrug-Russian-Federation

Edited September 24, 2013 by LincolnSnowstorm

[simshady]

http://longyearbyen.livecam360.com/flash/main.php

 

looks like Svalbard has had a bit of the white stuff!

[Gavin Hannah]

The latest value: 5,019,336 km²â€‚(September 23, 2013) 

 

http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm

 

 

Sea Ice making steady and significant gains for the time of year.