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Upholders of the global warming consensus have just been handed an almighty dilemma by Natural Environmental Research Council. Having spent years dismissing any results produced by sceptics as (allegedly) big oil funded and therefore untrustworthy, they are going to have to come to terms with the fact that in future a large chunk of environmental research is going to be done in collaboration with Shell.LOL http://www.theguardian.com/science/political-science/2014/feb/07/uk-environmental-science-in-association-with-shell-alice-bell?CMP=twt_gu

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Light hearted look at how easy it is to be dishonest with scary graphshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nwWqZ6_J2w0

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According to Canadian Senior Climatologist Dave Phillips, Lake Ontario has frozen over on two recorded occasions. The first came during the winter of 1874-75. The second came during the cold winter of 1934 (February) Almost frozen over now (92 percent covered with ice).

In a typical winter, only about 10 percent of Lake Ontario is ice-covered.Its close but record ice in the great lakes is nearly there,http://www.mlive.com/weather/index.ssf/2014/02/great_lakes_added_11_percent_i.html

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I thought I'd condense the BBC article linking the recent weather to global warming. All I've done is put the headline and all of the expert's quotes.

 

Met Office: Evidence 'suggests climate change link to storms'

Dame Julia Slingo said the variable UK climate meant there was "no definitive answer" to what caused the storms. "But all the evidence suggests there is a link to climate change," she added.

 

"There is no evidence to counter the basic premise that a warmer world will lead to more intense daily and hourly rain events.

 

"We have records going back to 1766 and we have nothing like this," she said. "We have seen some exceptional weather. We can't say it is unprecedented but it is exceptional."

 

"The attribution of these changes to anthropogenic global warming requires climate models of sufficient resolution to capture storms and their associated rainfall."

Such models are now becoming available and should be deployed as soon as possible to provide a solid evidence base for future investments in flood and coastal defences."

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26084625

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First Grey Wolf i refer to Australia/Melbourne record heat i refer to earlier article  Excellent facts about BOM and Australia "s so  called record hot temperatures, ,BOM weather stations are all across Australia Wrong most stations are in  South Eastern Australia! Posted Image So more massaging of the facts.http://t.co/Tk8ATaiW1t. Concerning ice growth in the Great Lakes http://www.glerl.noaa.gov/data/ice/

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Dame Julia Slingo said the variable UK climate meant there was "no definitive answer" to what caused the storms. "But all the evidence suggests there is a link to climate change," she added.

 

Let's examine this statement:

 

1. There's "no definitive answer" (except "ALL the evidence").

2. "There is a link" - implies causation without actually saying it. By definition there is always a link between weather and climate.

3. "Climate change" actually doesn't mean anything per se. It has a perceived meaning, but it is a relative term (100yrs? 10000yrs? etc etc).

 

This seemingly simple statement translates to the layman as: "Weather is unpredictable and always has been. The recent stormy weather though is caused by human activity. All of the science says so."

 

I doubt she meant the latter. But it's pretty poor from a highly qualified meteorologist/climatologist, whose lucrative (150k) job is partly to communicate the technical understanding of these things to policy-makers and the electorate.

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Cold hits Bolivia ,it proves a point  mother nature will do what it wants to do with the weather,not what Global Warmists says it should do.http://www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=361753&CategoryId=14919 

 

Climate Models predicted the opposite USA record cold http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com/2014/02/climate-models-robustly-predicted.html

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According to Canadian Senior Climatologist Dave Phillips, Lake Ontario has frozen over on two recorded occasions. The first came during the winter of 1874-75. The second came during the cold winter of 1934 (February) Almost frozen over now (92 percent covered with ice).

In a typical winter, only about 10 percent of Lake Ontario is ice-covered.Its close but record ice in the great lakes is nearly there,http://www.mlive.com/weather/index.ssf/2014/02/great_lakes_added_11_percent_i.html

http://t.co/tbE9qgMzJK

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I thought you were asked before stick the propaganda videos  in the other thread, where no-one will see them? Posted Image

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I thought you were asked before stick the propaganda videos  in the other thread, where no-one will see them? Posted Image

 

Hi 4, just so I (and im sure many others) can understand you more.. Of which part of the video are you calling "propaganda"  And why ?

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Dr. Phil Jones – CRU emails – 5th July, 2005“The scientific community would come down on me in no uncertain terms if I said the world had cooled from 1998. OK it has but it is only 7 years of data and it isn’t statistically significant….†

Dr. Phil Jones – CRU emails – 7th May, 2009‘Bottom line: the ‘no upward trend’ has to continue for a total of 15 years before we get worried.’

 

Go Phil Go

Hi 4, just so I (and im sure many others) can understand you more.. Of which part of the video are you calling "propaganda"  And why ?

Why not just post it with the rest of the doom and gloom in the other thread?I have no interest in it, but they seem to get a kick from a constant stream of carping negativity and doom.

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Go Phil Go

Why not just post it with the rest of the doom and gloom in the other thread?

I have no interest in it, but they seem to get a kick from a constant stream of carping negativity and doom.

 

Thanks for the detailed reply..

 

Reading between the simple lines, I can only take it as you have no interest in "Real Science" what-so-ever...

 

Calling it Doom/Gloom/Negativity/ Or a "Kick" is very simplistic, but maybe that is the only way you can cope with this subject, Good luck with that stance.

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Greens on the war path, the old Loony Left risen from the dead quite sad really that the human rights of free speech is trying to be removed.   http://t.co/QnAI9tIlI4

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Thanks for the detailed reply..

 

Reading between the simple lines, I can only take it as you have no interest in "Real Science" what-so-ever...

 

Calling it Doom/Gloom/Negativity/ Or a "Kick" is very simplistic, but maybe that is the only way you can cope with this subject, Good luck with that stance.

Real science? sea level rising not happening, methane gas to kill us all not happening Arctic to be ice free not happening, rising global temperatures not happening Real science more like"Real science fiction^.

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Thanks for the detailed reply..

 I can only take it as you have no interest in "Real Science" what-so-ever...

 

 

I have no interest in green propaganda what-so-ever, because it has already irreparably damaged climate science and science in general.You only need to observe the continual 'need' to marginalise any dissent. Any objective look at reality soon reveals that the predictions of dangerous warming which are somehow presented as established fact simply are not manifesting in the real world.  AGW is not a hoax, but is being exaggerated to a ridiculous extent by the vested interests.There is a major industry in trying to 'show' the hand of warming in any way imaginable.It is propaganda. If you cannot see this you are complicit in the deceit.

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Who get paid to do these studies?? Hmmmm.

 

No, no vested interest in keeping the bullsuper duper alive :)

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Top met office expert says storms storms are not caused by Global Warming http://t.co/si2kg37ViY Jet stream has altered its direction causing severe weather in the USA http://t.co/fKemDetQcn

 

@Rick__L I said that the models don't tell us much about how the jet stream is affected by climate change. I don't disagree with Julia

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