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  • Location: Ireland, probably South Tipperary
  • Weather Preferences: Cold, Snow, Windstorms and Thunderstorms
  • Location: Ireland, probably South Tipperary

A quick look at May, using recent values and trends in the AO, NAO, PDO, AMO, MEI, Snow Cover, Solar Activity and the QBO.

 

The 8 criteria used to compare with recent years are

 

AO: Years with the 6 months from October to March averaging between 0 and 1.2, with moderate to high month to month variability.

NAO:Years with the 6 months from October to March averaging between 0 and 1, with moderate month to month variability

PDO: April and May average of greater than 0.5

AMO:Years with the 6 months from October to March averaging between -0.15 and 0.35

MEI: March to May average of between 0 and 1.5

Snow Cover: Negative Eurasian snow cover anomaly and Eurasian -ve anomaly larger than North American -ve anomaly (if NA anomaly is -ve)

Solar Activity: Years with an average monthly sun spot count between 30 and 90

QBO: Years with the 6 months from October to March averaging greater than 5 and greater than the April value

 

Below are the best matching years

 

Year: Matches

2012: 5

2007: 5

2004: 5

2002: 5

1997: 6

1995: 5

1993: 6

1991: 5

1984: 5

1983: 5

 

From the above years, the 5 matches added once and 6 matches added twice, the following charts were created using the NCEP/NCAR reanalysis data

 

 

500hPa GPH Anomaly .................. ...................  Precipitation .............. .............. Surface Temperature

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So, a strong signal for a deep trough just to our south with some blocking about, particularly to our west and north west. This pattern suggests an increased chance of unsettled weather to towards the south and east, with things improving a little to the north west.

 

The precipitation chart indicates that the south will have above average rainfall, with close to average more likely elsewhere, which makes sense given the trough to the south.

 

Temperatures look likely to be close to average generally, but a greater chance of slightly below average temps in the east and south.

 

My CET estimate is 11.6C.

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  • Location: Ireland, probably South Tipperary
  • Weather Preferences: Cold, Snow, Windstorms and Thunderstorms
  • Location: Ireland, probably South Tipperary

I've my summer forecast almost complete and will be posting it up in the next few days.

 

I think a pattern similar to the next week or 2 may be common during the first half of the season.

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  • Location: Leeds/Bradford border, 185 metres above sea level, around 600 feet
  • Location: Leeds/Bradford border, 185 metres above sea level, around 600 feet

Summer forecast. 

 

june: 13.5 to 15.3 (12, 09, 09, 04, 97, 95)

 

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july: 15.5 to 16.1 (12, 09, 04)

 

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august: 16.6 to 18.9 (12, 12, 09, 04, 03, 97)

 

Won't upload but shows a picture similar to this week with a trough to the south west and pressure north and east over the UK.

 

September: 14.2 to 14.3 (09, 09, 03)

 

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In summary, an awful start but gets better.

 

Summer forecast. 

 

june: 13.5 to 15.3 (12, 09, 09, 04, 97, 95)

 

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july: 15.5 to 16.1 (12, 09, 04)

 

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august: 16.6 to 18.9 (12, 12, 09, 04, 03, 97)

 

Won't upload but shows a picture similar to this week with a trough to the south west and pressure north and east over the UK.

 

September: 14.2 to 14.3 (09, 09, 03)

 

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In summary, an awful start but gets better.

 

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  • Location: Chelmsford
  • Weather Preferences: Hot and dry summers with big thunderstorms.
  • Location: Chelmsford

Summer forecast. 

 

june: 13.5 to 15.3 (12, 09, 09, 04, 97, 95)

 

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july: 15.5 to 16.1 (12, 09, 04)

 

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august: 16.6 to 18.9 (12, 12, 09, 04, 03, 97)

 

Won't upload but shows a picture similar to this week with a trough to the south west and pressure north and east over the UK.

 

September: 14.2 to 14.3 (09, 09, 03)

 

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In summary, an awful start but gets better.

 

Summer forecast. 

 

june: 13.5 to 15.3 (12, 09, 09, 04, 97, 95)

 

Posted Image1.png

 

july: 15.5 to 16.1 (12, 09, 04)

 

Posted Image2.png

 

august: 16.6 to 18.9 (12, 12, 09, 04, 03, 97)

 

Won't upload but shows a picture similar to this week with a trough to the south west and pressure north and east over the UK.

 

September: 14.2 to 14.3 (09, 09, 03)

 

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In summary, an awful start but gets better.

How did you get the analogue years SB? 2009 and 2012 are already different as we now have a +PDO.

With the way things are going 1997 may not be a bad base though.

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  • Location: Leeds/Bradford border, 185 metres above sea level, around 600 feet
  • Location: Leeds/Bradford border, 185 metres above sea level, around 600 feet

How did you get the analogue years SB? 2009 and 2012 are already different as we now have a +PDO.With the way things are going 1997 may not be a bad base though.

 

I used MEI, QBO, PDO and GLAAM and rolled forward to the probable state during the summer. MEI and QBO were both good matches for 2009 and 2012, PDO got 2003 and 2004 and GLAAM got 1995 and 1997 (may have mixed up GLAAM and PDO).

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  • Location: Ireland, probably South Tipperary
  • Weather Preferences: Cold, Snow, Windstorms and Thunderstorms
  • Location: Ireland, probably South Tipperary

Here's the summer forecast, using recent values, trends and some projections of different variables.

 

The variables and criteria used to find the most analogous years to this one are listed below

 

AO: Years with the 6 months from November to April averaging between 0.2 and 1.4, with moderate to high month to month variability.

(matching years, 1967, 1973, 1982, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1997, 2000, 2002, 2007, 2012)

 

NAO:Years with the 6 months from November to April averaging between 0.2 and 1.3, with low to moderate month to month variability

(1954, 1967, 1972, 1973, 1976, 1980, 1991, 1992, 2000, 2002, 2004, 2008, 2012)

 

PDO: January to May average of greater than 0.4

(1958, 1970, 1977, 1978, 1980, 1981, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2010)

 

AMO:Years with the 6 months from November to April averaging between -0.17 and +0.23

(1951, 1952, 1954, 1955, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1967, 1969, 1970, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1988, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013)

 

MEI: March to July average of between 0.1 and 1.5

(19531957, 1958, 1959, 1965, 1966, 1969, 1972, 1977, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1986, 1990, 1991, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1997, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2009, 2010, 2012)

 

Snow Cover: Negative Eurasian snow cover anomaly, Eurasian -ve anomaly larger than North American -ve anomaly (if NA anomaly is -ve), and a -ve northern hemisphere anomaly.

(1968, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 2007, 2008, 2012)

 

Solar Activity: Years with an average monthly sun spot count between 30 and 90

(1951, 1952, 1955, 1961, 1962, 1966, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1983, 1984, 1993, 1998, 2003, 2004, 2011, 2012, 2013)

 

QBOYears with the 6 months from November to April averaging greater than 5 and greater than the April value

(1958, 1960, 1962, 1967, 1972, 1981, 1986, 1988, 2000, 2007, 2009)

 
So out of the 8 criteria, these were the best matching years
 
2012 with 6 matches
2004, 1993, 1992 and 1991 with 5 matches.
 
With those years, lets have a look at the summer composites and forecasts.
 
JUNE
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It looks most likely that lower than normal pressure will dominate over the British Isles, stretching from Newfoundland into Scandinavia. This could lead to an increase in northerly orientated winds, bring some cooler weather to all areas, with an increase in precipitation also.
With a strong signal for lower pressure to our south west, and average pressure over Iberia, the opportunity for warm southerlies will still remain.
 
UK Precipitation: Chances of below, close to and above average values are 20%, 35%, 45%
UK Temperature:Chances of below, close to and above average values are 35%, 35%, 30%
 
 
JULY
 
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A very similar pattern to June, but with some important differences. Lower pressure still looks most likely, but with higher pressure just to our south, the chances of a north/south split are increased. As it is though, an increased likelihood of northerly orientated winds and lower pressure will likely result in periods of below average temperatures and increased rainfall.
 
UK Precipitation: Chances of below, close to and above average values are 25%, 35%, 40%
UK Temperature:Chances of below, close to and above average values are 40%, 30%, 30%

 

 

AUGUST

 

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August show another slight shift in pattern, with low to our west and higher pressure to the east. This opens the door for mild/warm southerlies, but also the potential for some very wet weather, especially further west. In this situation, eastern areas will likely do best for warmth and dry weather. Daytime warmth may well be dictated by breaks from the cloud the influence of higher pressure over the continent pushing west. Where rain and cloud remain, temperature may remain suppressed, especially during the day.

 

UK Precipitation: Chances of below, close to and above average values are 20%, 30%, 50% (wettest further west)
UK Temperature:Chances of below, close to and above average values are 33.3%, 33.3%, 33.3% (coolest further west)
 
 
OVERALL
 
Unfortunately, this method of forecasting shows a wet summer is most likely, with average or slightly below average temperatures favoured. August shows the most potential for warmth, but also for some very heavy precip totals.
 
I'll update this once each month, as the latest data becomes available. Any suggestions, constructive criticisms and/or error spotting is welcomed!
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  • Location: Rossland BC Canada
  • Location: Rossland BC Canada

My summer outlook remains about the same as in my preliminary forecast ...

 

JUNE likely to be a rather cloudy, wet month (130-160% normal rainfalls for most of Britain and Ireland) trending to near normal rain in Scotland and temperatures that resemble the May regime, a bit above normal but mainly because of cloud cover at night. CET around 14.8 C. Could see one significant heat wave near end of June.

 

JULY expected to bring near normal temperatures and rainfall to most regions, possibly a bit on the cloudy side of normal, but improving from first to second half. It may become hot at times in late July. CET around 16.5.

 

AUGUST (and SEPT) expected to be generally warm and dry with significant hot (and humid) spells but more so than in 2013 the heat may lead to widespread severe thunderstorms so that "dry" may verify on a large scale statistical basis but some locations might easily see 50-100 per cent extra rainfall. Of course it would be difficult to pinpoint where these heavier storms might hit but in the circulation pattern I am foreseeing, would speculate inland south, east-central Midlands, south Yorkshire and inland East Anglia. Some places may miss the storms and come in quite dry. CET around 18.2, so a warmer August than we've seen for a while, and September around 15.0.

 

General consensus is for a weak North Atlantic hurricane season, due to the developing El Nino. I am going to be a bit contrarian and say more like a normal season with 13/8/2 the final count.

 

See you in September at the post-mortem. Whatever comes, enjoy your summer.

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  • Location: just south of Doncaster, Sth Yorks
  • Location: just south of Doncaster, Sth Yorks

thanks Roger, as you say, wait until September before making any judgements

 

and not all that different to the one produced by BFTV?

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  • Location: Longden, Shropshire
  • Location: Longden, Shropshire

My summer outlook remains about the same as in my preliminary forecast ...

 

JUNE likely to be a rather cloudy, wet month (130-160% normal rainfalls for most of Britain and Ireland) trending to near normal rain in Scotland and temperatures that resemble the May regime, a bit above normal but mainly because of cloud cover at night. CET around 14.8 C. Could see one significant heat wave near end of June.

 

JULY expected to bring near normal temperatures and rainfall to most regions, possibly a bit on the cloudy side of normal, but improving from first to second half. It may become hot at times in late July. CET around 16.5.

 

AUGUST (and SEPT) expected to be generally warm and dry with significant hot (and humid) spells but more so than in 2013 the heat may lead to widespread severe thunderstorms so that "dry" may verify on a large scale statistical basis but some locations might easily see 50-100 per cent extra rainfall. Of course it would be difficult to pinpoint where these heavier storms might hit but in the circulation pattern I am foreseeing, would speculate inland south, east-central Midlands, south Yorkshire and inland East Anglia. Some places may miss the storms and come in quite dry. CET around 18.2, so a warmer August than we've seen for a while, and September around 15.0.

 

General consensus is for a weak North Atlantic hurricane season, due to the developing El Nino. I am going to be a bit contrarian and say more like a normal season with 13/8/2 the final count.

 

See you in September at the post-mortem. Whatever comes, enjoy your summer.

 

 

Thanks Roger, the only part of the forecast I'm not so keen on is the later part for September.  Sounds typical of many early Autumns of the late 90's through to the mid 00's.  You know what I'm getting at!  Anyway, that's all a long way off, so lets concentrate on Summer for now.

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  • Location: Reading, Berkshire
  • Weather Preferences: Hot & Thundery or Cold & Snowy
  • Location: Reading, Berkshire

Was going to post this the other day but been busy with revision for my exam and popping out again now so will make it quick but here's my final summer thoughts;

 

I haven't changed my view since April and the factors i was looking for this summer seem to be slowly coming together. We've seen a continuation and strengthening of the positive PDO the last month as well as a shift towards weak El Nino conditions in the pacific and also we are in the midst of transiting towards the -QBO phase.

 

I can't seem to get the links to work but when matching the composites for this summer the common theme that kept popping up with a -QBO and +PDO pattern is a trough in the mid-atlantic and high pressure towards scandinavia, very much like we've had this month and i can see this continuing but i think the high pressure will become more influential as summer wears on.

 

Summary: Very warm summer with rainfalls totals generally around average. Wetter early summer, drier late summer. 

 

June:  Very Warm. More changeable first half of the month with some cooler and unsettled periods alternating with brief warm/very warm periods, with the risk of some thundery episodes. Moving into the second half of June things gradually turning more warmer and drier as high pressure ridges in and becoming largely settled for the remainder of the month with the risk of it becoming quite hot. 

 

CET: 16.0c - A near average first half but i think the second half of June could see some very persistent warmth so sticking my neck out a bit with this one. 

 

July: I'm not quite sure how this month will pan out. 

 

Warm but Changeable. Very warm early with a slow breakdown of June's settled spell. Remaining warm and changeable during the middle part of the month before turning drier late in the month. Breakdowns likely to come in the from the south not the west, with the risk again of some thundery episodes.

 

CET: 17.6c

 

August: Very Warm & Dry, especially for the South-East. 

 

August along with late June i think will be when we see summer peak. High pressure building over the UK and to our north east. Frequent south-easterly winds but very dry especially for the South-East. More unsettled at times further west with more near average rainfall totals. 

 

CET: 18.4c

 

Overall I think we may well have the warmest summer since 2003 and could even challenge 2003 for fourth place if i was to be so bold, providing the PDO stays strongly positive. One thing I think could be of interest this summer is the heat intensity at times and humidity. With low pressure in the mid Atlantic and high pressure to our east there is a chance for some very hot plume events this summer along with some thundery spells.

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  • Location: Sunderland
  • Weather Preferences: cold
  • Location: Sunderland

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Lazy Sunday afternoon's, ey?

 

With July looking to move slightly positive, I'm going to see whether, using more concise use of the AO index, I can match anything up; this time around.

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  • Location: Redhill, Surrey
  • Weather Preferences: Southerly tracking LPs, heavy snow. Also 25c and calm
  • Location: Redhill, Surrey

Getting my winter head on even this early  sorry I know there's autumn first  :nonono: .  Early pointers I'm looking at ENSO neutral not Nino, if nino then weak at best as its just not taking off], -ve QBO, Jetstream south and very meridional, sun in continued slumber.  Very interesting early signs.

 

 

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  • Location: Yorkshire Puddin' aka Kirkham, Lancashire, England, United Kingdom
  • Weather Preferences: cold winters, cold springs, cold summers and cold autumns
  • Location: Yorkshire Puddin' aka Kirkham, Lancashire, England, United Kingdom

That's music to my ears BFTP   :cold::good:

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  • Location: blackwood south wales 179m asl
  • Location: blackwood south wales 179m asl

Yay,I also have my winter head on early,must be this unseasonal cold evenings,soo excited it just feels right this year,well can't be worse than last year! And so it begins...!

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  • Location: Wellseborne, Warwickshire
  • Weather Preferences: Southerly tracking low pressure in winter. Hot and thundery in the summer
  • Location: Wellseborne, Warwickshire

Yea I have to admit given that August has over the recent years been a wash out , it's normally around the time when I start looking for the first signals . As BFTP says , a weak El Niño , and an easterly QBO , already gives us a better start to last year , even my wife this year is looking forward to winter , we were only talking about this last night . If we can see the sun start to really quieten off , then that would help I feel , and during sept but more particularly October see the SSI (Siberian snow index) take off then that would really help to lock Europe in the freezer. Another 4 wks or so then we can really look in more depth .

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  • Location: Napton on the Hill Warwickshire 500ft
  • Weather Preferences: Snow and heatwave
  • Location: Napton on the Hill Warwickshire 500ft

JUNE

 
 
It looks most likely that lower than normal pressure will dominate over the British Isles, stretching from Newfoundland into Scandinavia. This could lead to an increase in northerly orientated winds, bring some cooler weather to all areas, with an increase in precipitation also.
With a strong signal for lower pressure to our south west, and average pressure over Iberia, the opportunity for warm southerlies will still remain.
 
UK Precipitation: Chances of below, close to and above average values are 20%, 35%, 45%
UK Temperature:Chances of below, close to and above average values are 35%, 35%, 30%
 
JULY
 
A very similar pattern to June, but with some important differences. Lower pressure still looks most likely, but with higher pressure just to our south, the chances of a north/south split are increased. As it is though, an increased likelihood of northerly orientated winds and lower pressure will likely result in periods of below average temperatures and increased rainfall.
 
UK Precipitation: Chances of below, close to and above average values are 25%, 35%, 40%
UK Temperature:Chances of below, close to and above average values are 40%, 30%, 30%

 

AUGUST

 

August show another slight shift in pattern, with low to our west and higher pressure to the east. This opens the door for mild/warm southerlies, but also the potential for some very wet weather, especially further west. In this situation, eastern areas will likely do best for warmth and dry weather. Daytime warmth may well be dictated by breaks from the cloud the influence of higher pressure over the continent pushing west. Where rain and cloud remain, temperature may remain suppressed, especially during the day.

 

UK Precipitation: Chances of below, close to and above average values are 20%, 30%, 50% (wettest further west)
UK Temperature:Chances of below, close to and above average values are 33.3%, 33.3%, 33.3% (coolest further west)
 
 
OVERALL
 
Unfortunately, this method of forecasting shows a wet summer is most likely, with average or slightly below average temperatures favoured. August shows the most potential for warmth, but also for some very heavy precip totals.
 
I'll update this once each month, as the latest data becomes available. Any suggestions, constructive criticisms and/or error spotting is welcomed!

 

 

Interesting forecast how do you think you did ?

 

Wasn't as wet and the northerly winds didn't really show in June/July but came along a bit later.

 

Fairly good over all

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  • Location: Epsom, Surrey, 100 Meters above sea level
  • Weather Preferences: Anything Extreme
  • Location: Epsom, Surrey, 100 Meters above sea level

Interesting forecast how do you think you did ?

 

Wasn't as wet and the northerly winds didn't really show in June/July but came along a bit later.

 

Fairly good over all

 

I think due to the fact you have highlited the areas where BFTP was wrong about this summer that you have already made your mind up about his summer thoughts. 

In fairness my summer forecasts are always wrong, but my winter forecasts have been absolutely spot on every year now for the past 3 years in a row. 

 

I wont bother putting out a summer forecast next year, I care not what happens in summer, it has to be endured as far as im concerned. 

 

So don't judge BFTP's winter forecast or thoughts by his summer one. 

And just for the record, my own winter thoughts ??...I'd say there's much more chance of it being closer to average than last Winter.

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  • Location: Redhill, Surrey
  • Weather Preferences: Southerly tracking LPs, heavy snow. Also 25c and calm
  • Location: Redhill, Surrey

Hi EML, its BFTV who provided summer forecast not me :-)

 

A little very early taster for folks on my idea ahead.  I've mentioned QBO and solar slumber.  Jetstream more south and meridional.  I think there's a connection with North Pacific SSTs and will give more detail when I do my LRF but if correct this winter will be quite interesting....so at the moment jetsream to be generally on NW/SE tilt, increasing chances of arctic incursions but also in turn more direct hits from Atlantic storms.  Cold and snowy early, stormy mixed bag middle, a pronounced and prolonged late cold spell....Spring to be delayed.  I'm mentioning it now as recent research I've done showed similar outcomes in past analogues...but situation was quite unique so not many analogues to go on.

 

regards

 

BFTP

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  • Location: Home: Bournemouth (Iford) Work: Eastleigh
  • Location: Home: Bournemouth (Iford) Work: Eastleigh

I think due to the fact you have highlited the areas where BFTP was wrong about this summer that you have already made your mind up about his summer thoughts. 

In fairness my summer forecasts are always wrong, but my winter forecasts have been absolutely spot on every year now for the past 3 years in a row. 

 

I wont bother putting out a summer forecast next year, I care not what happens in summer, it has to be endured as far as im concerned. 

 

So don't judge BFTP's winter forecast or thoughts by his summer one. 

And just for the record, my own winter thoughts ??...I'd say there's much more chance of it being closer to average than last Winter.

 

I would have thought that is almost a statistical certainty isn't it? I'd be amazed if it was milder and wetter than last winter. 

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  • Location: Rossland BC Canada
  • Location: Rossland BC Canada

Just before I get into any forecasting reviews or views, one comment on the EML review above, the reference to "BFTP" should be "BFTV" as it is Born From The Void whose forecast is being reviewed there, I think.

 

In my own case, August turned a lot cooler than expected around the 10th or so, and that part of the forecast was definitely a bust. I think that conditions before that were fairly close to what was foreseen, the overall result therefore was mixed. I'm looking over these results to see what can be learned but too early to say anything there yet.

 

From research and just the subjective feel of things at present, would say that the autumn looks likely to be generally settled and a bit warmer than average at least. Even so, one or two windy spells could develop as the storm track looks set to run just north of Ireland and Scotland on average. This could lead to November being like last year with some brief mild spells and significant cold spells that dominate the pattern.

 

As to the winter 2014-15, have not done much work on it, the research model output looks rather variable but near long-term averages overall. Will be turning my attention to that in the next few weeks.

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  • Location: Broxbourne, Herts
  • Weather Preferences: Snow snow and snow
  • Location: Broxbourne, Herts

Based on my highly amateur statistical analysis of the past 315 years, I'm going for an autumn/winter of mixed but mainly wet mild and windy weather with occasional brief cold interludes..nothing out of the ordinary, until we approach the last few days of January which will see it trend colder and lead into a cold February with some falls of snow in favoured areas (not widespread). Only in the last few days of February will the first shoots of Spring start to appear

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  • Location: Redhill, Surrey
  • Weather Preferences: Southerly tracking LPs, heavy snow. Also 25c and calm
  • Location: Redhill, Surrey

Hi Roger

Quite detailed and I for one see the variability ahead hence the basic cold early and cold return late theme call overall...I think in between 'generally mild and active middle' BUT not exclusively so .....no real 'domination'. The Jetstream is very 'meridional' in nature and it is/will be very difficult to pin down.....but the theme I like/ like is wrong as more hoped/pleased is appropriate. I Look forward to your final thoughts

Glad you see a late Feb into march cold idea.....

BFTP

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