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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
    4 minutes ago, Blitzen said:

    I'm not at all sure how those comments would have been received in New York?   Americans are well known to be proud of their Scottish 'noisy and aggressive' ancestral heritage to the point of being fanatical.   As usual, Osborne just doesn't get it!

    Aye. For example...

    http://nyctartanweek.org/

    New York Tartan Day Parade – Saturday, April 9th 2016

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    That'll be the 18th annual one I understand.

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    And that ignorant, offensive, rant sums up exactly why the YES campaign failed  

    Good god. What a load of boarish spiteful bile from bad losers has been posted during the night. I actually dread to think how Scotland would be run if this is representative of how the yes vote behav

    I'm disappointed in the lack of grace shown by some across the net in accepting this No vote. A complete lack of any empathy and understanding as to why fellow Scots didn't vote Yes.   I personally

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  • Location: Tullynessle/Inverurie
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  • Location: Tullynessle/Inverurie

    I'm glad my MP is 'noisy and aggressive'. I didn't send him down their to sit meekly and do what he's told.

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
    9 minutes ago, doctormog said:

    Or "many tax avoiders subsequently changed their minds on the morality of such actions when it became politically opportune" would be another example?

    Are you talking about Rangers or another company? Rangers had a scheme like this; take home / net pay is given as a loan, meaning a company can avoid paying the tax they'd normally have to add on top of the salary. Allows the company to offer staff the same net pay to entice them to the job, but the cost to the company is much lower as they don't have to add on the extra for tax. Gives them a competitive advantage over their rivals. Not illegal, but sneaky.

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    Canny beat the Tories for sex stuff can you. If its not George snorting coke, its...

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    Young Tories group linked to bullying scandal used sexy posters to attract young Conservatives

    Young Britons' Foundation The Young Britons' Foundation's Donal Blaney says the posters are "irreverent" and "fun"
    A Tory youth group linked to the sex and bullying scandal used sexy posters to attract young conservative activists to their organisation, it has emerged.

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    BetterTogether one did make me giggle.

    Although the apparent bullying to suicide of the young activist is very serious and I hope they investigate properly. Certainly, Dave calling people 'terrorist sympathisers' could give an insight into what the environment deep inside the Tories is like..

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    So, Carmichael officially found to be a lying, disreputable weasel of a man who smeared for electoral gain by the court, but walks on a technicality.

    If I was McArthur or Scott, I'd be making alternative career plans to be on the safe side. I'd also not be sending Carmichael Christmas cards any more.

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    Alistair Carmichael: From respected Orkney MP to political pariah

    If he did not shine as a political strategist, he was at least regarded as a decent and respected local MP. L'affaire française was the end of that. The judges might have ruled in his favour but, barring a spectacular act of contrition, it looks like the end of his political career too.

    Lib Dems = warmongering, right wing, toughing liars. I prefer the Tories; at least they are more straight up.

    Libs are polling just 6% recently. If they lose the isles constituencies and are pushed below 5% in all regions, it's bye-bye for all their MSPs.

    Would be no great loss.

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  • Location: Tullynessle/Inverurie
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    Disappointing result in the Carmichael case, but probably inevitable. Just goes to prove that as a politician you can lie as much as you like to the electorate and as long as it is a 'political lie' you are fine, at least as far as election law is concerned. I trust the electorate will make up their own minds when he's up for re-election. I don't expect that to be any time soon though as no doubt he'll not do the honorable thing and resign to force a by-election (which I'd have no problem with him then contesting, if that is possible).

    Hope the petitioners manage to cover their costs. £208K is a lot of money.

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
    12 minutes ago, Ravelin said:

    Hope the petitioners manage to cover their costs. £208K is a lot of money.

    It's pretty disgusting that Carmicheal is going after them for costs even though the judges found him guilty of everything his constituents accused him of; just not quite breaking the specific law in question. Imagine an MP suing the very constituents he lied to to get elected who just wanted justice for his lying.

    Shows you the kind of man he is and the kind of party the Lib Dems are; Carmichael retaining his membership, the whip, and his shadow cabinet position throughout.

    I understand his constituents need another 40k to cover everything. I'll be chipping in again.

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    And just for reference, the finding was 'not proven'. He wan't even found 'not guilty' on the technicality.

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    Quite a damning verdict despite the fact he effectively got away with it...

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    A petition challenging the election of Alistair Carmichael as Liberal Democrat MP for Orkney and Shetland has been refused after judges ruled it had not been proved beyond reasonable doubt that he had committed an “illegal practice”.

    Following an evidential hearing in proceedings brought by a number of constituents, the Election Court held that Mr Carmichael was duly elected and that his election was not void in terms of section 106 of the Representation of the People Act 1983.

    Lady Paton and Lord Matthews had previously ruled that “a false statement by a candidate about his own personal character or conduct made before or during an election for the purpose of affecting his return at the election has the effect of engaging section 106” of the 1983 Act, but ordered that evidence be led to assist in the resolution of the two remaining issues, namely: did the words complained of in the petition amount to “false statements of fact…in relation to the personal character or conduct” of the first respondent?; and were the words complained of uttered “for the purpose of affecting the return of any candidate at the election”?

    On the first issue, the court observed that the first respondent [Mr Carmichael] had told a “blatant lie” when, in the course of a Channel 4 interview on Sunday 5 April 2015, he claimed that he had only become aware when contacted by a journalist of a memo leaked to the press by his special adviser Euan Roddin, which stated that First Minister and leader of the SNP Nicola Sturgeon had told the French ambassador that “she’d rather see David Cameron remain as PM”.

    Lady Paton said: “There is no dispute that the words ‘I told you the first I became aware of this, and this is already on public record, was when I received a phone call on Friday afternoon [i.e. Friday 3 April 2015] from a journalist making me aware of it’ constituted a false statement of fact, in other words, a lie. Obviously the first respondent had been aware of the existence of the memo and its contents as described to him by Mr Roddin since the flight to the Faroe Islands in March 2015. Moreover he had authorised Mr Roddin to release the memo to the Daily Telegraph.”

    However, on the matter of whether the lie could properly be characterised as a false statement of fact “in relation to [his] personal character or conduct”, the judges were left with a reasonable doubt.

    “It is of the essence of section 106 that it does not apply to lies in general: it applies only to lies in relation to the personal character or conduct of a candidate made before or during an election for the purpose of affecting that candidate’s return,” Lady Paton said.

    The judges gave some examples of what might be regarded as false statements of fact in relation to personal character or conduct.

    They explained that if a candidate made a false statement that he would never leak an internal confidential memo, no matter how helpful that might be to his party, as he regarded the practice of leaking confidential information as dishonest and morally reprehensible, and he would not stoop to such tactics, when in fact that candidate had leaked an internal confidential memo containing material which was inaccurate and highly damaging to an opponent, they would be likely to conclude that the candidate had given a false statement “’in relation to [his] personal character or conduct” because he would be falsely holding himself out as being of such a standard of honesty, honour, trustworthiness and integrity that, in contrast with what others in Westminster might do, he would never be involved in such a leaking exercise.

    “In the present case, when speaking to the Channel 4 interviewer, the first respondent did not make such an express statement about his personal character or conduct,” Lady Paton continued. “We are not persuaded that the false statement proved to have been made was in relation to anything other than the first respondent’s awareness (or lack of awareness) of a political machination. Accordingly we are not satisfied beyond reasonable doubt that the words used by the first respondent amounted to a ‘false statement of fact in relation to [his] personal character or conduct’. It follows that we are not satisfied beyond reasonable doubt that an essential element of section 106 has been proved. Even if we were to apply a lesser standard of proof (i.e. the civil standard of ‘on a balance of probabilities’), we would not be satisfied that the first respondent has been proved to have made a ‘false statement of fact in relation to [his] personal character or conduct’ in the course of the Channel 4 news interview…”

    That conclusion was sufficient for the resolution of the case, but for completeness the court gave its views on other matters.

    On the second issue, the judges were satisfied that it had been proved beyond reasonable doubt that the first respondent made the false statement of fact “for the purpose of affecting (positively) his own return at the election”.

    Lady Paton said: “As the first respondent said in evidence, he wanted public attention to remain focused on that important political message, rather than becoming side-tracked by revelations that it had been he and his special adviser Mr Roddin who had leaked the memo to the Daily Telegraph. In his view, if public attention remained focused on that political message, voters who had anxieties about Scottish independence might find voting for the SNP a less attractive prospect…The inescapable inference, in our opinion, is that if the SNP became a less attractive prospect, the first respondent’s chances of a comfortable majority in what had become a ‘two-horse race’ in Orkney and Shetland would be enhanced.”

    Furthermore, the judges considered that the evidence established that there was another purpose underlying the false statement, namely a desire not to be identified as being involved in the leak.

    “Thus on the basis of all the evidence led before us we are satisfied beyond reasonable doubt that another purpose underlying the false statement was self-protection (a self-protection extending to Mr Roddin, provided that neither of them could be identified). Such self-protection would avoid attracting critical comment, losing esteem in the public eye, and being the subject of any disciplinary consequences, all at a very inconvenient time during the lead-up to the election. Such self-protection would avoid his presenting as a less attractive electoral candidate for the voters in Orkney and Shetland.”

     

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  • Location: Tullynessle/Inverurie
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    1 hour ago, mountain shadow said:

    I believe the decision was right in law,  however morally it was wrong.

     

    I'd agree with that.

    As usual it's now down to how Carmichael, the LibDems, media attempt to spin the judgement as positive, and how much they manage to ignore the obvious criticisms of Carmichael's behavior contained within it.

    It also amuses me how he can claim the case being raised against him was "highly politically motivated", as if as to criticise it for being so. What then was the leak of the memo if that itself wasn't "highly politically motivated"?

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    Wings is wondering whether Carmichael has broken criminal law.

    Plans to pursue it with the Crown Prosecution Service:

    http://wingsoverscotland.com/an-abuse-of-trust/

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    Carmichael has done / admitted to all these things.

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  • Location: Tullynessle/Inverurie
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  • Location: Tullynessle/Inverurie
    4 minutes ago, scottish skier said:

    Wings is wondering whether Carmichael has broken criminal law.

    Plans to pursue it with the Crown Prosecution Service:

    http://wingsoverscotland.com/an-abuse-of-trust/

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    Carmichael has done / admitted to all these things.

    Interesting.

    Also, how much did the inquiry into who leaked the memo cost? That's public money that Carmichael could have saved by coming clean at the time, rather than waiting until

    1) After the GE,
    2) It was becoming clear he was going to be found out.

    Even if the CPS aren't interested you'd think the Parliamentary authorities would want to look at his behavior in respect to the above.

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    Oh, I forgot, but...

    'Carmichael is guilty of lying through his teeth and admits bringing the position of secretary of state / the Scottish Office into disrepute' court case files are of course off to the Westminster parliamentary standards committee. There might yet be a by-election.

    If they let him off, it's 1-0 to the petitioners / independence supporters.

    If they don't, it's 1-0 to the petitioners / independence supporters.

    All good.

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    And of course the other bastions of better together... what are they doing now?

    Well, our 'for a workers republic' Darling, now Lord Darling for services rendered, is on to new things:

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    Alistair Darling joins Morgan Stanley

    Morgan Stanley has said former Chancellor Alistair Darling will join the bank's board of directors.

    And Gordon 'socialist'' Broon has a nice wee earner too:

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    Gordon Brown joins asset manager Pimco as adviser

    Former Prime Minister Gordon Brown has taken up a role on an advisory panel at a global investment management firm.

    And Labour wonders where it all went wrong...

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  • Location: Kingdom of Fife: 56.2º N, 3.2º W
  • Location: Kingdom of Fife: 56.2º N, 3.2º W
    7 hours ago, mountain shadow said:

    I believe the decision was right in law,  however morally it was wrong.

     

    If it is right in Law then the Law needs changed pdq.

    https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-people-versus-carmichael#/

    Fundraiser now over £181k

     

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  • Location: Kingdom of Fife: 56.2º N, 3.2º W
  • Location: Kingdom of Fife: 56.2º N, 3.2º W
    48 minutes ago, scottish skier said:

    And of course the other bastions of better together... what are they doing now?

    Well, our 'for a workers republic' Darling, now Lord Darling for services rendered, is on to new things:

    republicandarling.jpg

    And Gordon 'socialist'' Broon has a nice wee earner too:

    And Labour wonders where it all went wrong...

    Nice work if you can get it in Better Together Land panto season.

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  • Location: Lochgelly - Highest town in Fife at 150m ASL.
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  • Location: Lochgelly - Highest town in Fife at 150m ASL.

    BBC have been up to their usual dirty tricks across the border that Scotland has become so accustomed to.   Someone didn't like it and complained.   Complaint upheld no less!

    http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/node/22453

    I personally can't see the likes of John Humphrys making a mistake like this.   Just another case of 'auto suggestion' for the masses based on falsehoods contained in a script!  

    The BBC couldn't care less because the BBC doesn't recognize or care about the importance of accurate and impartial reporting ever!  Their goal was successfully achieved!  

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    A political story in the Daily Record these days is as likely to be accurate as a weather story in the Express.

    Are the SNP supposed to micro manage absolutely everything in Scotland? To override decisions made by highly qualified engineers and the agency in charge of the bridge at the time, FETA? 

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    Mr Mackay insisted the Scottish government - which took over responsibility for the bridge after the Forth Estuary Transport Authority (Feta) was dissolved - had been "transparent about the issues as they have emerged".

    He told the BBC's Good Morning Scotland programme that the fault in the bridge that has led to its closure was believed to have only occurred "in the last few weeks".

    And he said Feta had been looking at carrying out wider work in 2010, which would have seen the section that has now cracked being replaced as part of a larger re-design, but had "re-scoped" the project after receiving advice from engineers.

    He added: "A much bigger job beyond what they felt was proportionate at the time would have led to a much longer closure to carry out those more extensive works.

    "But the advice they seem to have had at the time was that carrying out the strengthening works as identified would remedy what they identified as the problem, not the location of this specific fault that is unrelated to those works."

    Imagine if they had. They'd have been slated for spending money and closing the bridge against the experts advice, and quite rightly so. The've were criticised for going ahead with the replacement bridge but you won't hear that now. 

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    An example of why I generally avoid commenting on the local politics of Wiltshire; could readily end up embarrassing myself.:)

    Aye, FETA were a Labour Quango and had full responsibility for the Bridge before that was transferred to Transport Scotland by the SNP Scottish Government.

    FETA never predicted the current fault; nobody did.

    They did propose other works on a different, nearby section though, but decided not to go ahead due to them not being deemed high priority, the disruption that would have been caused, and the fact a new bridge was under way. Those works might have inadvertently avoided the current problem purely through co-incidence.

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    Meanwhile; actual news that might influence how people vote?

    Will Westminster let him walk, helping the SNP / indy cause, or will they force him to stand down with very likely the same result?

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  • Location: Carryduff, County Down 420ft ASL
  • Location: Carryduff, County Down 420ft ASL

    If an engineer in 2010 had insisted that truss needed immediate replacing, it would have been done. End of story. 

    As for the Daily Rangers, I wouldn't use it to pick up dog crap.

    I'm back in the homeland for the weekend, looking forward to reading a couple of Nationals and the Sunday Herald.

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    That Daily Record article is one of the most blatantly misleading crocks of - - - -  I've ever seen. 

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