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  • Location: Highland Scotland
  • Location: Highland Scotland

    I thought the intro to the Letter from America video would give a quick good intro to anyone who thought what the hell am I on about! It was a toss-up between that and the Proclaimers Letter from America - which my grandfather features in the video at 47s in!  https://youtu.be/NuMtZstnoT8?t=47s 

     

    Sadly he's no longer with us, but some of the family history and stories that have been past down have been, his family cleared violently from Strathnaver - scene of some of the worst eposoides of the Highland Clearances (today we'd call it genocide and ethnic cleansing), some initially moved to around Helmsdale before being cleared again, many emigrated, some were simply left on the West Coast with little more than the clothes they stood in. 

     

    Early homes and shelters were very rudimentary, but fortunately the sea was a lot kinder to them than their landlords or the British State, providing a source of food and livelihood without which many more of those cleared of more productive land on the East and in the Central Highlands would have perished. At the bottom of the croft in the video you can still just above the shore make-out a square of rocks that was where the very first tiny schoolhouse was setup by those cleared to this area of coast. My grandparents were native Gaelic speakers, English was a second language, yet my parents between them have not a word of Gaelic - I've got a better understanding of place names and pronunciations - it was simply beaten out of them at school age on the wishes of the British State.  

     

    Yes you're absolutely right that it wasn't just Scots who had their land stolen and who suffered for the enrichment of the very few, but what happened here in Highland Scotland was an outright attempt to eradicate a language, a culture, a sense of identity as well as a way of life.  That the population of the UK has increased 10 fold since the Union, but the population of Highland Scotland though now rising (Inverness frequently been touted as the most rapidly expanding urban area in the EU since the early 1990s) is only around 50% of what it was in 1707 speaks volumes of the damage the said Union has done to Scotland.

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    And that ignorant, offensive, rant sums up exactly why the YES campaign failed  

    Good god. What a load of boarish spiteful bile from bad losers has been posted during the night. I actually dread to think how Scotland would be run if this is representative of how the yes vote behav

    I'm disappointed in the lack of grace shown by some across the net in accepting this No vote. A complete lack of any empathy and understanding as to why fellow Scots didn't vote Yes.   I personally

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  • Location: Highland Scotland
  • Location: Highland Scotland

    On the subject of Runrig classics:

     

     

    Bruce Guthro and Donnie Munro - 'The Cutter'. A song originally written about a truck driver in the islands Jonny Morrison who emigrated to Canada in the 60's, but who returned every summer to cut peats for his mother on the family croft. Being a song about emigration / immigration between the Highlands and Islands of Scotland and Canada, a truly fitting duet for the two lead singers of Runrig past and present. 

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  • Location: Evesham, Worcs, Albion
  • Location: Evesham, Worcs, Albion

    Whilst we are a little off topic, the new single .... :) 

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    Erm, duh, David Leask of the Herald.

     

    Yes, the Tories were like always going to put forward a Scotland Bill that would give Scotland the potential to grow and prosper weren't they. They totally love Scotland and want Holyrood to be a big success.

     

    David Leask Retweeted Herald Scotland

    Some v clever people think Scotland Bill powers could make us worse off.

    David Leask added,

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    Herald Scotland @heraldscotland
    Top economist: new powers deal could cost Scotland hundreds of millions of pounds heraldscotland.com/news/14040892.Top_economist__new_powers_deal_could_cost_Scotland_hundreds_of_millions_of_pounds/ â€¦
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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    What must be remembered is that everything is now seen through the independence prism.

     

    When Con/Lab consider the devolution of power X / responsibility Y to Holyrood, their first consideration is not whether it can benefit Scotland, but whether it might promote independence. If it might promote independence, it shouldn’t be devolved. If it could damage the independence cause, then it should be devolved.

     

    It is the independence paradox. If Scotland is not showing an interest in more home rule / independence, then why bother to devolve anything? That’s just taking power away from Westminster. Yet if Scotland is showing an interest in independence, then devolution is potentially a way to quell that by seeming to offer more home rule. However, the powers devolved must not lead to successful devolution, as that might fuel interest in independence

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    When people are considering what to vote, they should take this into account.

     

    If we do not get a pro-independence majority (SNP or SNP + Green), then Scotland will be utterly shafted for at least 5 years. It’s going to be shafted anyway by the Tories, but with a pro-indy majority there is a threat, so Westminster must tread more carefully. If there is no majority, Lab + Con + Lib will do everything they can to make Holyrood a complete mess.

     

    We just need to remember the 2007 term and the obstinacy of Labour + Lib. It was only the fact that the pro-UK parties believed that there was no way the SNP would ever get a majority and their rise was a temporary blip, which allowed sufficient agreement for the parliament to function.

     

    A narrow pro-UK party majority would not be accommodating this time. Nope, they would damage Scotland as much as they could to try and damage the SNP because everything is now shaped by the independence prism.

     

    So long as a large section of the population support independence, so the independence issue remains at the heart of everything, then the only way out of this vicious circle is independence.

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    Smith made such a success of Scotland2015 too.

     

    I understand around 5000 watch it.

     

    http://wingsoverscotland.com/dead-air/

     

    If Scots weren't forced to pay for the BBC on pain of fines / being sent to the gulags, it would be going the way of the Scotsman.

     

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-34867820

     

    Johnston Press share price falls as revenue slide continues
     
    Shares in Johnston Press fell by more than 10% in early trading after the local media group reported a further slide in sales.
     
    The Edinburgh-based group said underlying revenues for the 17 weeks to 31 October fell 8.8% year-on-year.
     
    Sales had fallen by 7.6% in the second quarter.

     

     

    I shall shed no tears. The NorthBritishMan's demise is all its own doing.

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  • Location: Kingdom of Fife: 56.2º N, 3.2º W
  • Location: Kingdom of Fife: 56.2º N, 3.2º W

    BBC appoints its first Scotland Editor.

    Great news!!!..but wait..

    It's arch Unionist Sarah Smith.

    Small steps I suppose.

     

    Six months or so of unrelenting SNP bad, SLab bias with 5 on 1 ' balanced' debates where SNP representatives are shouted over by Cons, Libs,  Slab, UKIP and a totally impartial presenter.

     

    Should be worth another couple of percentage points to YES2 when we finally get round to it!

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    You couldn't actually make this stuff up.

     

    Just when you thought the Tories couldn't go lower, they always pull something out of the hat.

     

    A sickening attack on my wife's country and Mundell tries to use it for political capital.

     

     
    David Mundell: Scotland Secretary says country more at risk from terrorism if it becomes independent
     
    The risk of a terrorist attack taking place in Scotland would “greatly increase†if the country became independent due to the inevitable reduction in the strength of its intelligence services and military, the Scotland Secretary has said.
     
    In an interview with The Independent in the wake of the deadly attacks in Paris, David Mundell said Scotland was better protected as part of the UK and described the idea that the country would be less of a target for terrorists after separation as “very naïveâ€.

     

    France - you need to hand over rule to the UK. Then you can all sleep easy.
     
    Bet he found it hard to keep quiet on this until the one week anniversary.
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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    Meanwhile, sack of rats gets more crowded.

     

    https://archive.is/ob7fa

     

    Labour MSP James Kelly, who has called on Celtic to become a living wage employer, joins fight for list slots
     
    ANOTHER Labour constituency MSP has joined the fight for list slots for next May's Holyrood election, as an internal battle within the party intensifies.
     
    James Kelly, MSP for Rutherglen where he only narrowly saw off a challenge from the SNP in 2011, will join the fight for a ranking in the Glasgow region.
     
    It follows Alex Rowley reneging on a pledge he made repeatedly before being elected deputy leader not to take an automatic place at the top of a list that he would be entitled to if her won. Mr Rowley's u-turn means he will take top slot in the mid-Scotland and Fife region.

     

    And surprise as sample of Scottish population exactly matches political views of Scottish population.

     

    https://archive.is/2gIRT#selection-669.0-883.180

     

    Judge in Alistair Carmichael court case was an "active member" of the SNP
     
    ONE of the two election court judges deciding the fate of former LibDem Scottish Secretary Alistair Carmichael was previously an "active member" of the SNP, the Herald can reveal.
     
    Judges, heads of BBC news etc should only be unionist and ideally Labour! 
     
    The 50% that backed the SNP and additional 20% that rate them / don't in principle disagree with their stance on independence should not be allowed as police, judges, teachers or anything!
     
    LOL.
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  • Location: Tullynessle/Inverurie
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  • Location: Tullynessle/Inverurie

    I love the implied suggestion that Lord Mathews will somehow be biased against Carmichael due to his political beliefs. What if he'd been a member of the Conservative party, or of Labour, or god forbid, the Lib Dems? Despite what the press would like everyone to believe, the case was not raised by the SNP, or even by SNP supporters (although I'll admit that the funding was likely to have mostly come from SNP supporters).

     

    As for Mundell, the guy is a buffoon, always has been. We know the only reason he got his current position is because he was the 'last man standing'.

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  • Location: Kingdom of Fife: 56.2º N, 3.2º W
  • Location: Kingdom of Fife: 56.2º N, 3.2º W

    ^ Couple of tenners came from me lol!

     

    Hope the self confessed lying shyst gets pegged to the ground over the proverbial ant heap. Think he' s finished anyway but an official verdict would be brilliant.

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    Devo max! Devo super max! Closest thing you can get to home rule! Federalism! #BetterTogether

     

    Even devo nano falling apart.

     

    You can devolve spending on certain areas, but you can't partially devolve taxes and welfare etc. You have to devolve all or nothing. Anything else is a mess and damaging.

     

    Partially devolved welfare top-ups is for example like being given the power to look after an ill person, but you are only allowed to give them more and more pain killers to ease their suffering (at increasing cost), not the medicine that will actually cure them quickly.

     

    Federal states work by devo max. The states collect and spend pretty much all their own taxes; only some federal taxes are paid (either personally or by the state) for shared services such as defence. Like a mini EU.

     

    Anyway, I suspect we will be back to the indy question again soon enough. With no more devolution pending, we are right back to where we were with 'Vow' promises made turning to dust.

     

    And all because Westminster does not want Scotland to succeed. It wants to damage Scotland to stifle independence. In its stupid attempts to hurt the SNP, it hurts all voters in Scotland, from Tory to Labour to Green...

     

    The silly thing is that a relatively prosperous, autonomous Scotland within the UK would be much less likely to vote for independence than one being screwed around and damaged.

     

    https://archive.is/jKxkX

     

    Lords call on David Cameron to halt Scotland bill as damning report claims 'nobody knows what's going on'
     
    PEERS are today calling on David Cameron to halt his flagship Scotland Bill.
     
    In a dramatic intervention, the influential House of Lords Economic Affairs Committee delivers a damning verdict on the process of giving Holyrood more tax and welfare powers.
     
    In a report, "A fracturing Union?", the committee says it is being done with "undue haste", without adequate information and transparency and involves too little assessment of the economic and political consequences both for Scotland and the rest of the United Kingdom.
     

     

     
     
    IFS study warns fair system for funding Scotland 'impossible'
     
    London and Edinburgh governments would not be able to keep promise that no country’s taxpayers will end up worse off
     
    The Institute for Fiscal Studies has warned that it will be impossible for the Treasury and Scottish government to design a fair, flawless system for funding Scotland after it gets new tax-raising powers.
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  • Location: Carryduff, County Down 420ft ASL
  • Location: Carryduff, County Down 420ft ASL

    Talk of Type 26 frigates being reduced from 13 to 8 in the defence review. These are build on the Clyde.

    During the Iref Unionists said the ship building jobs were reliant on a No vote.

    Yet another betrayal.

    No voters = Mugs.

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    Talk of Type 26 frigates being reduced from 13 to 8 in the defence review. These are build on the Clyde.

    During the Iref Unionists said the ship building jobs were reliant on a No vote.

    Yet another betrayal.

    No voters = Mugs.

     

    Aye, I remember how a 'No' vote was crucial to maintaining jobs on the Clyde.

     

    Then and now:

     

    thennow.jpg

     

    Of course you couldn't trust that separatist Sturgeon when she gave this warning in 2013:

     

    http://wingsoverscotland.com/then-and-now-part-99/

     

    Sturgeon, who represents Govan at Holyrood, suggested that even if there is a No vote next year workers could not rely on defence contracts to keep them in work.

     

    Everything independence supporters warned about before the iref is coming true.

     

    Tory government, no more meaningful devolution (the Scotland Bill is all but dead in the water now), massive budget cuts, jobs slashed, Scotland's MPs reduced to second class, the Barnett formula under threat...

     

    #BetterTogether

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    With Smith devo nano essentially dead in the water now...

     

    Rumours are that devo max will be the main pledge in the SNP's 2016 manifesto.

     

    Presumably if that is not secured within a fixed period, then a new iref to allow the electorate to decide.

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  • Location: Kingdom of Fife: 56.2º N, 3.2º W
  • Location: Kingdom of Fife: 56.2º N, 3.2º W

    If DevoMax not in place by start of fiscal year 2019/20, then IndyRef to follow in Sept 2019? 

     

    By then I'll be 73, please, please let IRef#2 be no later! I want a free Scotland to pass on to the great grandwains.

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  • Location: Carryduff, County Down 420ft ASL
  • Location: Carryduff, County Down 420ft ASL

    Cost of Trident renewal up as well.

    Imagine if that money could actually be used for securing jobs and investing in young people?

    Nah, let's spend it on something that will NEVER be used.

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  • Location: Highland Scotland

    Another £16billion committed to Trident renewal if you read the small print, £6billion cost increase and £10billion contingency - well we know how UK government multi-billion procurements usually go! Now tell me, what good will that £6billion or whatever do to counter the risk of terrorism?  

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  • Location: Highland Scotland
  • Location: Highland Scotland

    Partly a consequence of UK government's policy on energy: 

     

    Jobs lost as wave energy firm Aquamarine Power folds

     

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-34901133

     

    It's a small company, but it's part of a range of marine renewables that we have (Had) the opportunity to lead the world in, the real future profit, growth and high value jobs would come through ownership of the IP rights. We could have been world leaders, instead we'll be left behind and when the UK eventually has to turn to this kind of technology, we'll be paying others to build it for us. Is HM Government incapable of ever learning this lesson?

     

    The timing of the rug being pulled from under the renewable sector is a double whammy, it coincides with a downturn in the oil industry, putting many energy related service companies under more pressure. We could well find that when the oil price picks up, we've lost the expertise and world leading companies in difficult deep sea energy recovery and face not being able to take advantage of the uptick or having to bring in more and more external expertise such as the profits all flow overseas. 

     

    Can someone explain this UK long term economic plan to me because I really think I must be missing something here?  :cc_confused:

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  • Location: Kingdom of Fife: 56.2º N, 3.2º W
  • Location: Kingdom of Fife: 56.2º N, 3.2º W

    Partly a consequence of UK government's policy on energy: 

     

    Jobs lost as wave energy firm Aquamarine Power folds

     

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-34901133

     

    It's a small company, but it's part of a range of marine renewables that we have (Had) the opportunity to lead the world in, the real future profit, growth and high value jobs would come through ownership of the IP rights. We could have been world leaders, instead we'll be left behind and when the UK eventually has to turn to this kind of technology, we'll be paying others to build it for us. Is HM Government incapable of ever learning this lesson?

     

    The timing of the rug being pulled from under the renewable sector is a double whammy, it coincides with a downturn in the oil industry, putting many energy related service companies under more pressure. We could well find that when the oil price picks up, we've lost the expertise and world leading companies in difficult deep sea energy recovery and face not being able to take advantage of the uptick or having to bring in more and more external expertise such as the profits all flow overseas. 

     

    Can someone explain this UK long term economic plan to me because I really think I must be missing something here?  :cc_confused:

     

    My reading of it is it's a 'brain drain'. Forestall Scotland by reducing it to a branch office of England and the best jobs will follow the money down south or abroad. 

     

    Also, Westminster does not 'do' long term planning - the only important dates are the next Corporate knees up and the 2020 GE

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  • Location: Carryduff, County Down 420ft ASL
  • Location: Carryduff, County Down 420ft ASL

    Another SNP MP resigns the whip.

    They need to understand that they must be whiter than white or they will be slaughtered by the Unionist press who will jump on anything to curtail the independence movement.

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  • Location: Sunderland
  • Weather Preferences: Hot Summer, Snowy winter and thunderstorms all year round!
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    I wouldn't say they have to be whiter than white......as long as they're not or have not broken any law then the two SNP MP's have nothing to worry about....If they have broken the law then there just as bad as those MP's prosecuted during the expenses scandal, and will suffer the same fate

     

    Unionist biased press or the independence movement has nothing to do with whether or not two individuals are crooks

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    Another SNP MP resigns the whip.

    They need to understand that they must be whiter than white or they will be slaughtered by the Unionist press who will jump on anything to curtail the independence movement.

     

    Currently, both are essentially 'whiter than white' until such time as we know otherwise. 

     

    It's slightly annoying coincidence which the press has whipped into a frenzy, but with the SNP behaving impeccably in response - the opposite of how unionist parties behave in such situations - it's really all nothing and will have no effect on electoral support. In fact, could well increase it due to the 'don't treat us like idiots' response of the electorate to mountains being made out of molehills, especially if both remain completely innocent, as they currently are based on the evidence we have, and return to the fold in time. That or are rightly ejected if guilty.

     

    Also, in May, we are not voting for the two MPs concerned. We are voting for our local candidates, the policies their parties offer, and for either Sturgeon or erm, Dugdale as FM. Maybe even Ruth! Why would I not vote for Christine Graham even if there one or two SNP politicians were bad eggs? It's hardly going to make me Tory and unionist all of a sudden!

     

    The electorate are not stupid. People vote for parties based on competence and trust to deliver policies that they agree with. They do not vote on the actions of individual politicians (unless it is their own local candidate) and will only be turned off by sleaze if it is proven and very widespread. Even then, they won't necessarily vote for the opposition. For example, if the SNP all became corrupt and proven so, I'd still support independence and seek to vote for maybe the Greens or the SSP.

     

    Remember, this is all the unionist parties and media have now; negative smears. They have no sensible policies, a complete lack competent politicians, are financially in trouble with few members / no grassroots and if they actually found themselves in power in Holyrood, would be like rabbits in headlights. So they are down to 'Vote for us because that person might, maybe have done something dodgy! I mean of course loads of Labour politicians have resigned or gone to jail for dodgy stuff, but that's allowed / normal!'.

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