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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
     
    Scots accent 'less eroded' than English regional accents
     
    The Scots accent is flourishing and proving resilient against a growing homogenised anglicised accent across English regions, new research suggests.
    A team from Glasgow University studied recorded speech of Glaswegians from the early 20th Century to the present...
     
    ..."The assumption is that traditional dialects generally across the UK are being eroded and some are dying out altogether, but what we have learned, particularly with the Glasgow accent, is that Scots accents are actually flourishing.
     
    "Interestingly, what is not happening in Scotland is the dilution of accents to a more homogenised anglicised accent on the scale that we are seeing in England, and in fact the Scots accent remains very distinctive."

     

     

    Interesting.
     
    I'd suggest that is at least partly down to Scotland, socially and politically, increasingly becoming its own nation once more.
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    And that ignorant, offensive, rant sums up exactly why the YES campaign failed  

    Good god. What a load of boarish spiteful bile from bad losers has been posted during the night. I actually dread to think how Scotland would be run if this is representative of how the yes vote behav

    I'm disappointed in the lack of grace shown by some across the net in accepting this No vote. A complete lack of any empathy and understanding as to why fellow Scots didn't vote Yes.   I personally

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    More from the WoS Panelbase poll.

     

    56% Don't think Labour have a chance of winning UK2020.

    28% Do think they have a chance

     

    http://wingsoverscotland.com/ten-more-years/

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    Better together.

     

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-34849661

     

    Trussell Trust Scots food bank referrals top 60,000
     
    Food bank use in Scotland has increased to record levels, with more than 60,000 referrals over a six-month period, according to a charity.
     
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    A strong Scotland in a Strong UK.

     

    https://archive.is/y8cFN

     

    Scotland is food bank capital of Britain as benefit delays drive increase in usage

     

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    Good summary from Wings about the bloodbath beginning to develop in Labour as we approach the general election next May.

     

    With polls suggesting Labour could well lose every constituency seat, and even a few on the list, coupled with a load of MPs ejected back in May's UK union elections looking to continue their 'rightful jobs for life', the shrinking sack is rapidly filling with rats.

     

    http://wingsoverscotland.com/the-sacrificial-bams/

     

    Already a shattered, demoralised mess, seven months out from an election Scottish Labour is about to embark on a bout of internecine warfare that even by its own brutal standards will make the scramble for the last helicopter out of Saigon look like a genteel garden party. And what were once its most favoured sons and daughters are those most likely to be left behind.

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  • Location: Carryduff, County Down 420ft ASL
  • Location: Carryduff, County Down 420ft ASL

    Ooooh, time to get the popcorn out as SLAB fight it out over the list seats.

     

    Imagine being a male MSP who topped being the Regional list last time being told he has to stand in the constiuency instead to allow a failed female former MP to take his place.

     

    Good luck Kezia.

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  • Location: Tullynessle/Inverurie

    It'll be interesting to see which former MPs turn up on 'the list', and in which positions. Some surely must have 'thrown in the towel' by now and decided on a career outside of politics. I keep wondering what our old friend Jim Murphy is doing these days for example.

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  • Location: Kingdom of Fife: 56.2º N, 3.2º W
  • Location: Kingdom of Fife: 56.2º N, 3.2º W

    It'll be interesting to see which former MPs turn up on 'the list', and in which positions. Some surely must have 'thrown in the towel' by now and decided on a career outside of politics. I keep wondering what our old friend Jim Murphy is doing these days for example.

     

    He's a one man start up as a 'Consultant Conflict Resolution Advisor'  :rofl:

     

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13952463.After_dividing_Scottish_Labour__Jim_Murphy_becomes__conflict_resolution__adviser_in_Caucusus/

     

    Wonder what job Margaret Curran could do? Who would employ her!

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
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    It'll be interesting to see which former MPs turn up on 'the list', and in which positions. Some surely must have 'thrown in the towel' by now and decided on a career outside of politics. I keep wondering what our old friend Jim Murphy is doing these days for example.

     

    Sarwar seems to be the first. This is a man the electorate kicked out on a 35% swing to the SNP in Glasgow Central.

     

    I wonder if he'll try to get in ahead of Dugdale.

     

    Batter him Kezia! Tear his eyes out!

     

    :)

     

    https://archive.is/pwT7X

     

    Former Scottish Labour deputy leader Anas Sarwar: I'm launching bid to become an MSP
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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    Oh, and there's this.

     

    He has broken his promise in fear of losing his constituency seat, and is therefore pushing everyone one place down the list, including Kezia.

     

    If you are number say 20+ on the list, Alex Rowley just stabbed you in the back big time.

     

    https://archive.is/xYxgm

     

    Labour deputy leader reneges on promise not to take place on party list
     
    SCOTTISH Labour's deputy leader has reneged on a high-profile pledge not to take an automatic slot at the top of his party's regional list at next year's Holyrood election, in a u-turn that effectively guarantees his re-election as an MSP.
     
    Alex Rowley won the contest to become party number two in August after saying repeatedly during the campaign that he would refuse top slot on a regional list, which the deputy leader is entitled to automatically under new party rules.
     
    ...A source close to Mr Matheson's campaign said: "Gordon always knew Alex would do this. It was utterly transparent at the time. Gordon is not angry, he just feels sorry for the people who believed Alex and voted for him on that basis."
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  • Location: Tullynessle/Inverurie
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    That's just fantastically ridiculous. I especially liked the following from that article...

     

    One senior Labour insider who worked alongside Murphy said: “It’s totally ridiculous. Jim can’t even resolve his own conflict - between the belief that he’s good and his actual ability.

     

    “He was divisive in the referendum and inside Labour. He could start a row in an empty house. The odds on civil war breaking out in Armenia and Georgia have just shortened considerably.â€

     

    SS, the reality is, if any Labour candidate wants to be virtually guaranteed a seat then they need to be 1st or 2nd on one of the regional lists. Anything else is in 'dodgy' territory, especially if they actually manage to win the odd constituency seat in the region. In fact, any swing back to Labour could place some of the list candidates in jeopardy, wouldn't that be ironic?

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    Full Scottish Poll on the EU referendum.

     

    65% Remain

    22% Leave

    13% DK

     

    http://news.stv.tv/scotland-decides/news/1332757-support-among-scots-to-remain-in-eu-at-strongest-yet-poll-finds/

     

    Support among Scots to remain in EU at strongest level yet, poll finds
     
    Support among Scots for the UK remaining in the European Union is at its highest level yet, an STV poll has revealed.
     
    An Ipsos MORI poll for STV News found on Wednesday that 65% of people in Scotland support staying in the institution, while 22% want to leave and 13% undecided.
     
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  • Location: Evesham, Worcs, Albion
  • Location: Evesham, Worcs, Albion

    Full Scottish Poll on the EU referendum.

     

    65% Remain

    22% Leave

    13% DK

    What I find particularly interesting about that is that many people have suggested the recent events in Europe more or less guarantee a British exit vote .....   Not seen any polls for England, but perhaps suggests the Scots see the refugee crisis and terrorism a little different to some Middle Englanders?

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    What I find particularly interesting about that is that many people have suggested the recent events in Europe more or less guarantee a British exit vote .....   

     

    I'm not sure they do; they can cause knee jerk reactions in polling, but not necessarily change the outcome when it comes to actually voting.

     

    Polls for England do show it more hokey cokey, but on balance 'in' by a modest margin right now.

     

    Leaving the EU of course wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to terrorism. Less interference in the affairs of other countries for economic / strategic gain is the best answer to that. Also going with UN decisions rather than unilateral.

     

    Likewise, leaving the EU will not stop refugees heading to the UK nor migration in general. A more stable and prosperous middle east and more prosperous eastern Europe is the solution for that.

     

    As for different views... simply different countries with different historical experiences / cultures, both past and recent. While we may have been a single state for 300 years, the experience of Scotland within that state/empire is completely different to the experience of England, and that has shaped mindsets.

     

    For example, England built and lost an empire. Scotland just tagged along through lack of choice; it never had an empire. No pride was lost north of the border when the sun set on the empire.

     

    Hence England doesn't like the idea of having to really rely on Europe for anything. Scotland in contrast, always had a good working relationship with many European countries, notably France. 

     

    Then there is Scotland's history of losing its population within the UK due to economic damage. In contrast, England has sucked in people, wealth and resources, becoming very populous while Scotland was a place you left. Devolution has somewhat reversed that so in Scotland, you have people enjoying the fact others want to come and live in Scotland instead of watching people leave in search of a better life.

     

    As for terrorism. Scotland is small so not seen as a big aggressor. The IRA never touched Scotland for this reason; England was the enemy of a united Ireland. The union flag  - the flag on the tanks and bombs in middle eastern interventions - is really England's flag. The PM is really the PM of England. England is Britain. England is the UK, the UK is England. Scotland is just a small appendage with no real say.

     

    Even our failed Glasgow airport bombers didn't intend to bomb Scotland. They were planning a target in London but that didn't go to plan and, thinking they were going to be caught, headed to Scotland to escape where they made a half hearted pigs ear of an attempt at something.

     

    And so on...

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    I'm not sure they do; they can cause knee jerk reactions in polling, but not necessarily change the outcome when it comes to actually voting.

     

    Polls for England do show it more hokey cokey, but on balance 'in' by a modest margin right now.

     

    Leaving the EU of course wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to terrorism. Less interference in the affairs of other countries for economic / strategic gain is the best answer to that. Also going with UN decisions rather than unilateral.

     

    Likewise, leaving the EU will not stop refugees heading to the UK nor migration in general. A more stable and prosperous middle east and more prosperous eastern Europe is the solution for that.

     

    As for different views... simply different countries with different historical experiences / cultures, both past and recent. While we may have been a single state for 300 years, the experience of Scotland within that state/empire is completely different to the experience of England, and that has shaped mindsets.

     

    For example, England built and lost an empire. Scotland just tagged along through lack of choice; it never had an empire. No pride was lost north of the border when the sun set on the empire.

     

    Hence England doesn't like the idea of having to really rely on Europe for anything. Scotland in contrast, always had a good working relationship with many European countries, notably France. 

     

    Then there is Scotland's history of losing its population within the UK due to economic damage. In contrast, England has sucked in people, wealth and resources, becoming very populous while Scotland was a place you left. Devolution has somewhat reversed that so in Scotland, you have people enjoying the fact others want to come and live in Scotland instead of watching people leave in search of a better life.

     

    As for terrorism. Scotland is small so not seen as a big aggressor. The IRA never touched Scotland for this reason; England was the enemy of a united Ireland. The union flag  - the flag on the tanks and bombs in middle eastern interventions - is really England's flag. The PM is really the PM of England. England is Britain. England is the UK, the UK is England. Scotland is just a small appendage with no real say.

     

    Even our failed Glasgow airport bombers didn't intend to bomb Scotland. They were planning a target in London but that didn't go to plan and, thinking they were going to be caught, headed to Scotland to escape where they made a half hearted pigs ear of an attempt at something.

     

    And so on...

    Are you trying to tell us that when the British empire was the envy of the world in the 1700s,1800s and into the 1900s Scotland did not feel part of it or feel proud with the Wealth built Glasgow and Edinburgh and the best regiments in the empires forces and that you just happen to be dragged along by the English?

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  • Location: Highland Scotland
  • Location: Highland Scotland

    Are you trying to tell us that when the British empire was the envy of the world in the 1700s,1800s and into the 1900s Scotland did not feel part of it or feel proud with the Wealth built Glasgow and Edinburgh and the best regiments in the empires forces and that you just happen to be dragged along by the English?

     

    Scotland was and felt Scottish, the real era of Britishness in Scotland was post WWII and the peak of British National Identity in Scotland co-incided with the early part of the 'post war consensus'.  People of my late grandparent's generation were in no doubt they were Scottish, it was evident in the IndyRef that in the oldest members of the over 65 age group, support for independence as a % started to increase with age again. As the post war consensus has been dismantled so to has the sense of Britishness and the presence of the British state in Scotland.

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    Are you trying to tell us that when the British empire was the envy of the world in the 1700s,1800s and into the 1900s Scotland did not feel part of it or feel proud with the Wealth built Glasgow and Edinburgh and the best regiments in the empires forces and that you just happen to be dragged along by the English?

     

    Erm, well, yes.

     

    Envy of the world? Erm, ok.

     

    Scotland has never been 'proudly British'.

     

    British identity in Scotland is a relatively young thing and in decline. It is highest in those born in 1944 (e.g. 2011 census) and really didn't exist before that to any extent. Scotland was Scotland, a country part of the British Empire, with largely irrelevant say in the running of that empire, but tagging along because, well, empires were the in thing and Scotland was small.

     

    Post-war socialism / the post-war consensus was what gave Scotland some pride in Britishness temporarily. That, Scotland was proud of.

     

    Jeez, the union was against the wishes of the population and they rioted for months after it was forced upon them by a few who had the vote and needed the bribes offered.

     

    There were also various rebellions and constant, regular calls for home rule. Independence / home rule within the empire almost happened just ahead of WW2 (1913 Scotland Bill).

     

    Sure Scots units fought for a wage in the Empire and a few on the make made money. Mainly, a tiny few made a lot of money while the rest rotted in slums or died in far off field to protect the wealth of the rich.

     

    This is the wealth of the empire for most:

     

    iqlveg.jpg

     

    Clearances%20L_tcm4-568063.jpg

    (An image of an evicted Scottish family circa 1895 photographed on the ruins of their house)

     

    And of course that was not confined to Scotland, but typical of the time.

     

    Have you not read any history of the UK?

     

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    Note that polling shows 70% are open to full independence; a position half the population support.

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  • Location: Beccles, Suffolk.
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    Are you trying to tell us that when the British empire was the envy of the world in the 1700s,1800s and into the 1900s Scotland did not feel part of it or feel proud with the Wealth built Glasgow and Edinburgh and the best regiments in the empires forces and that you just happen to be dragged along by the English?

    I agree, Hillbilly...and the 'Scottish' communities in Australia, New Zealand, USA and Canada all point to the fact that Scots were (and are) an integral part of the British Empire...I support Scottish independence, and I'm happy to do so, but let's not delude ourselves? Wasn't the Darien Disaster a uniquely Scottish fiasco?

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    I agree, Hillbilly...and the 'Scottish' communities in Australia, New Zealand, USA and Canada all point to the fact that Scots were (and are) an integral part of the British Empire...I support Scottish independence, and I'm happy to do so, but let's not delude ourselves? Wasn't the Darien Disaster a uniquely Scottish fiasco?

     

    Darien was ill planned (although genius in concept as it is now the Panama canal), but was ensured to be a disaster by England, who blockaded it.

     

    And it was not a finacial burden on the average Scot - the burghs were prosperous and unaffected - only on a number of aristocrats that had the vote. Who were then bribed to vote for the union.

     

    'Bought and sold for English gold' as we all know from Rabbie.

     

    Although Ed, I'm sure you agree that the empire brought wealth and prosperity to nobody but a small select few. It was capitalism max. A neoliberal warmongering world of invading and sucking wealth from other countries whilst killing disagreeing locals. It was so capitalism max it peaked by creating 2 world wars which ultimately caused a huge reversion towards socialism by the average Joe in an attempt to rebuild the damage caused.

     

    Scots emigrants in far flung places says what a disaster this union - created for empire building - was; people had to leave Scotland in search of a better life.

     

    I have no pride whatsoever in the British Empire.

     

    Hell, lots of countries gave empires a shot and history is history, but it's not something to swell the heart and bring a tear to the eye (unless maybe you are a Tory that is :) ).

     

    The post-war consensus was something to be proud of though. NHS...welfare state..nationalised industries...social solidarity... that sort of stuff might even tempt me back to Britishness.

     

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    The irony is that the 'Little Englanders' - part of a comment that started this run - was the pejorative name given to those that opposed empire building, wanting England to just be happy as England.

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  • Location: Highland Scotland
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    I agree, Hillbilly...and the 'Scottish' communities in Australia, New Zealand, USA and Canada all point to the fact that Scots were (and are) an integral part of the British Empire...

     

    Keep in mind a great many of those Scottish communities were initiated by people shifted there either against their will or because they simply were left with no other option.

     

     
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  • Location: Beccles, Suffolk.
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    Keep in mind a great many of those Scottish communities were initiated by people shifted there either against their will or because they simply were left with no other option.

     

     

    Absolutely...But, please don't give me Runrig's ' Dance of America' as an excuse...I know about the Highland Clearances,  and all that. But what you lot forget, is the fact that English & Welsh folks had their land stolen too???

     

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    But what you lot forget, is the fact that English & Welsh folks had their land stolen too???

     

    Which is what I was fairly clear on I hope...

     

    Right-wing capitalist empire building only benefits the few.

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    Which is what I was fairly clear on I hope...

     

    Right-wing capitalist empire building only benefits the few.

    Absolutist SS! Runrig! :D

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