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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
     
    Benefit sanctions against people with mental health problems up by 600 per cent
     
    Charities have warned that sanctions are making mental health problems worse

     

     

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    And that ignorant, offensive, rant sums up exactly why the YES campaign failed  

    Good god. What a load of boarish spiteful bile from bad losers has been posted during the night. I actually dread to think how Scotland would be run if this is representative of how the yes vote behav

    I'm disappointed in the lack of grace shown by some across the net in accepting this No vote. A complete lack of any empathy and understanding as to why fellow Scots didn't vote Yes.   I personally

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  • Location: Carryduff, County Down 420ft ASL
  • Location: Carryduff, County Down 420ft ASL

    With over 60 percent now supporting independence it seems enough No voters have seen the light.

    Let's just hope the Tories haven't run us into the ground by the time independence happens.

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    With over 60 percent now supporting independence it seems enough No voters have seen the light.

    Let's just hope the Tories haven't run us into the ground by the time independence happens.

     

    Haud yer horses!

     

    Independence is now in majority in polls, but it's not 60%. Very conservatively, it is maybe 50.3%. With no bias given to one type of polling it is 52%. At least it was a month ago.

     

    Polls do suggest we are on course to have an increased SNP majority and 63% of elected MSP (SNP + Greens) pro-independence.

     

    If this remains the case, then we could be entering a new iref campaign starting from a solid base of low 50% rather than ~35%.

     

    Of course a week is a long time in politics, never mind a year, and if the long term trend continues, we could be on 55% Yes 6 months after the Holyrood election.

     

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    Alternatively, we may find ourselves independent without a new referendum if England votes to leave in the EU ref while Scotland votes for 'No constitutional / citizenship change'.

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  • Location: Carryduff, County Down 420ft ASL
  • Location: Carryduff, County Down 420ft ASL

    Feet firmly on the ground, once bitten and all that.

    I note however that massive SNP poll leads don't even make the MSM anymore, that's if they ever did of course.

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    Coming back to this...

     

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-34798266

     
    Major job losses with HMRC Scottish office closures
     
    The tax collection agency, HMRC, is to consolidate its UK network of offices in a move which could see more than 2,000 jobs lost in Scotland.
     
    latest is this...

     
    HMRC to employ 2,800 staff at Croydon tax 'super centre'
     
    Thousands of jobs are to be created at huge new HM Revenue and Customs office in Croydon.
     
    The tax centre, which was hailed as a "another sign of growing confidence" in the town, will open within the next two years as part of cost-cutting reorganisation of the department.

     

     
     
    Scottish asset stripping continues. But then we've rocked the boat for asking about a bit of improved democracy.
     
    This is likely going to get rough because people voted, well, No to independence.
     
    Vote Yes and the red arrows will fly smoke in the colours of your national flag etc. You get invited to No 10 and have state banquets, trade deals...
     
    Vote No and get shat on.
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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    On the topic of 'A pound spent in Croydon'...

     

    A reminder from a potential future PM.

     

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  • Location: Calgary, Canada (1230m asl)
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  • Location: Calgary, Canada (1230m asl)

     

    Coming back to this...

     

     
    latest is this...

     
     
    Scottish asset stripping continues. But then we've rocked the boat for asking about a bit of improved democracy.
     
    This is likely going to get rough because people voted, well, No to independence.
     
    Vote Yes and the red arrows will fly smoke in the colours of your national flag etc. You get invited to No 10 and have state banquets, trade deals...
     
    Vote No and get shat on.

     

     

    It's all getting a bit sad now, are any of the Better Together promises actually getting kept? Apart from keeping jobs at Faslane by renewing Trident, that seems to be about it.

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  • Location: Camborne
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    Quite outrageous. We, in the poorest county in England, subsidising the extra haggis and neeps washed down with a 12 year old Macallan

     

    The extra money spent on Scottish residents over their English counterparts was described as an outrage yesterday, as it emerged that it had reached a record £1,700 per head.

     

    One MP questioned whether England had effectively paid Scotland a bribe to vote against independence last year after the figures for 2014-15 were revealed.

    Data released by the Treasury shows that the gap in cross-border spending is at its highest this decade. There was £10,374 spent on every man, woman and child north of the Border in 2014-15, compared with only £8,638 in England.

     

    The figures led to questions from one English Conservative MP over whether unionist parties had effectively bought success at last year’s referendum.

     

    The Treasury figures show that the UK average spend per head was £8,913. In London, spend-per-head was £9,840, in Wales it was £9,904 and in Northern Ireland it was £11,106.

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  • Location: Carryduff, County Down 420ft ASL
  • Location: Carryduff, County Down 420ft ASL

    Knocker. It has been proven on here on numerous occasions that Scots put more in than they get out.

    Over the past 40 years Scotland would have had a budget surplus of over 200 million.

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    Yes, the English Tory Treasury is something we can all rely on in Scotland for hard facts.

     

    For example, massive UK infrastructure projects such as HS2, Crossrail, Olympics development / regeneration etc are counted as 'UK' projects. So, English people get the benefit of them, Scots don't but have to pay for them, yet they are not counted as 'English' spending per head in terms of regions, but ~10% of the spending is allocated to Scottish spending figures.

     

    So much of that apparent 'extra' is not spent in Scotland, but spent in England.

     

    The reality is this:

     

    Need a spare bedroom for your carer subsidised? No chance.

     

    Need a whole nation of anti-Tory voters subsidised? No problem.

     

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    Wonder why the Tories are so against full fiscal autonomy, voting it down time and again in the HoC.

     

    Maybe they are just really kind, good hearted souls who love Scotland and like to lavish cash on it.

     

    Aye, that sounds right.

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    The whole 'subsidy' argument is a really stupid one anyway and I've never understood why the pro-UK camp try to use it (especially the Tories given the massive irony it creates).

     

    If being in the union has done so much damage to the Scottish economy that Scotland couldn't actually pay its own way, then Scotland needs independence immediately.

     

    Also, there is a delicious irony in the way the UK government, in its efforts to keep the subsidies it gets from Scotland, massages figures to try and show Scotland needs subsidised... which leads to Tory MPs in England getting angry at apparently subsidising Scotland...so they start calling for Scotland to be more fiscally independent / have its budget cut...which pushes Scotland closer to independence... so achieving the opposite of what the UK government intended.

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    I think I'll head out to the shops this afternoon with my £1,700 and blow it all. Just to p off those southern Tory MPs of course (who no doubt earn more than 99% of the Scottish population). Fancy a new 54 inch, curved, 3d, OLED TV, or something equally outrageous.

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    A further irony is that Scotland is paying for two parliaments and associated expenditure.

     

    It only needs one, yet the UK government is very firmly for it paying for two while the Scottish government wants it to have only one.

     

    Likewise, the UK government now want Scotland to pay for the administration of two tax systems (UK and devolved) and two welfare (UK and devolved) systems, when again, the Scottish government are fighting tooth and nail to only pay for one of these systems each.

     

    Yet the people forcing this extra cost on Scotland complain about the very same extra cost.

     

    Independence would be, all round, a hell of a lot cheaper.

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    Consistent with a continued slow but steady movement to independence, Panelbase records its highest Yes level ever.

     

    http://wingsoverscotland.com/the-march-of-time/

     

    49% Yes

    51% No

     

    3% of people who voted No last September now say they’d vote Yes, and a further 6% are now undecided. Meanwhile, just 0.6% of Yes voters now say they’d vote No, with 2% having switched into the Don’t Know camp.

     

    I'll PoP this, but it might even be enough for Prof C to reluctantly put Yes ahead. I got 50.3% by his method (which arguably is biased to one methodology - online non-random samples) which he puts as 50%. This might take it over the 50.5% mark, so rounding to 51% on WhatScotlandthinks.

     

    I'm sure he'll find a way to avoid it though.

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    Quite outrageous. We, in the poorest county in England, subsidising the extra haggis and neeps washed down with a 12 year old Macallan

     

    The extra money spent on Scottish residents over their English counterparts was described as an outrage yesterday, as it emerged that it had reached a record £1,700 per head.

     

    One MP questioned whether England had effectively paid Scotland a bribe to vote against independence last year after the figures for 2014-15 were revealed.

    Data released by the Treasury shows that the gap in cross-border spending is at its highest this decade. There was £10,374 spent on every man, woman and child north of the Border in 2014-15, compared with only £8,638 in England.

     

    The figures led to questions from one English Conservative MP over whether unionist parties had effectively bought success at last year’s referendum.

     

    The Treasury figures show that the UK average spend per head was £8,913. In London, spend-per-head was £9,840, in Wales it was £9,904 and in Northern Ireland it was £11,106.

     

    What's outrageous is that you have no understanding of that information. The money to fund the deficit that Scotland apparently has comes from the borrowing the UK does on international markets, and Scotland has to pay its share back. It doesn't come from English taxpayers. Not sure why I'm bothering to explain this, because it's pretty obvious you won't understand that, either.

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    What's outrageous is that you have no understanding of that information. The money to fund the deficit that Scotland apparently has comes from the borrowing the UK does on international markets, and Scotland has to pay its share back. It doesn't come from English taxpayers. Not sure why I'm bothering to explain this, because it's pretty obvious you won't understand that, either.

     

    I believe knocker was more reporting an article rather than making accusations; knocker not being against Scottish independence as I understand it.

     

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    Meanwhile..

     

    A quick update to my poll of polls.

     

    Averages based on most recent MORI (telephone), TNS (doorstep), Survation / Yougov / Panelbase (all online panel):

     

    Prof C Method (straight average of all 5):

    51% Yes

    49% No

     

    No bias to online polls (average of telephone, doorstep and combined online):

    52% Yes

    48% No

     

    Excluding DK.

     

    So, for the moment, you can rightly state that, according to polls, a majority of Scots now back full independence / would vote for that tomorrow.

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    I believe knocker was more reporting an article rather than making accusations; knocker not being against Scottish independence as I understand it.

     

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    Correct on both counts SS. It was meant to be a tongue-in-cheek extract from an article in the Times. I thought my opening sentence was the giveaway but perhaps I should have made it clearer.

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    Quite outrageous. We, in the poorest county in England, subsidising the extra haggis and neeps washed down with a 12 year old Macallan

    Excuse me? How rude. Starches and veg should be enjoyed with a particular ale, gin and whisky should be courses in their own right :p

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    Interesting stats from the WoS panelbase poll:

     

    http://wingsoverscotland.com/brick-walls-and-open-doors/

     

    indyrefprinciples.jpg

     

    So, 7 in 10 either for independence or not opposed to it in principle.

     

    That's not a lot of love for the UK there.

     

    7 in 10 is of course our long term devo max / all but indy support.

     

    This is also why the pro-UK camp don't want to talk about the subject / want to put any talk of another referendum to bed; they know they are well in minority.

     

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    Anyway, to win over that 28% more work needs done.

     

    Here's a case that might settle the matter. Scotland subsample from a UK yougov poll I just posted in the EU thread.

     

    Thinking about the European Union, and taking everything into account, how much of a risk, if any, do you think Britain would be taking with its future prosperity if we left the EU?
     
    65% Total risk
    26% Total not much / no risk
     
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    Do you think Britain would be better or worse off economically if we left the European Union, or would it make no difference?
     
    51% Worse off
    20% Better off
    14% No Difference
    16% Don't know
     
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    Do you think Britain would have more or less influence in the world if we left the European Union, or would it make no difference?
     
    51% Would have less influence
    6% Would have more influence
    34% Would make no difference
    9% Don't know
     
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    Do you think it would be good or bad for jobs and employment if Britain left the European Union, or would it make no difference?
     
    47% Would be bad for jobs and employment
    17% Would be good for jobs and employment
    20% Would make no difference
    16% Don't know
     
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    And do you think you personally would be better or worse off if we left the European Union, or would it make no difference?
     
    37% Worse off
    12% Better off
    34% Would make no difference
    16% Non't know
     
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    Taking everything into account, if there was a referendum on Britain's membership of the European Union and this was the question, how would you vote:
     
    Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?
     
    57% Remain
    28% Leave
    10% Don't know
    5% Would not vote
     
    =67% Remain excluding DK
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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    A final thought on the 7 in 10, and particularly our 3 in 10 not in principle opposed to independence.

     

    Attacking these people for being economically illiterate, subsidised anti-English nazis etc - a favoured tactic of unionists - is probably not a good way of winning them over to the union.

     

    That 3 in 10 is quite open to Scotland being an independent country. They have no deep emotional attachment to the UK; they are Scottish first and foremost. They fully understand and empathise with the 4 in 10 who'd vote for independence tomorrow. They just are not convinced taking such a big step is wise right now.

     

    The 3 in 10 who back the union is from where the bulk of unionist party MSPs etc come from. They might want to think about the above when considering strategies.

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    Hmm...

     

     
    UKIP Scotland members urge Farage to open up Holyrood selections amid fears party chairman Thackeray could become MSP
     
    UKIP's controversial Scottish chairman is being lined up for a tilt at Holyrood next year - but party members north of the border have urged Farage loyalists to block the move amid fears that he is “not credibleâ€...
     
    ...The would-be politician achieved notoriety for a series of offensive Facebook posts, including a now infamous barb at Glasgow City Council which he claimed was for “Gays, Catholics [and] Communistsâ€...
     
    ...Thackeray also said Catholicism was based on “fascist ideology†and complained of a “suffocating culture of anti-loyalism†in Scotland's largest city. 
     
    He has also turned his attention to Islam, writing on Facebook: “You have to witness a Glasgow election count night to understand the extent of Islamist influence within the SNP and Labour…last time out I thought we were contesting a seat in Pakistan.â€...
     
    ...He also claimed that there is “more chance of winning the lottery two weeks running than getting an openly Rangers-supporting MSP into the chamber of the institutionally Catholicised pretendy parliamentâ€.

     

    Given UKIP are polling 1.6% on average for the Holyrood list, I'm not sure there's a danger of any UKIP candidate getting elected.
     
    They might have had an outside chance of squeezing an MSP until Farage was very anti-Scottish in the UK election TV debates. At that point, UKIP vote collapsed in Scotland from ~3% to half that.
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    Excuse me? How rude. Starches and veg should be enjoyed with a particular ale, gin and whisky should be courses in their own right :p

     

    Not when I was around at Rabbie's

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    Scottish subample from a Yougov poll on the Tory snoopers charter.

     

    It has been proposed that phone and internet companies should be required to retain everyone's data - websites visited, emails, voice calls, social media interactions, and mobile messaging - for 12 months. Police and intelligence agencies would have access to this information, but not to the content of messages or calls, or the exact pages viewed on a website. Would you support or oppose giving the security forces these powers?
    45% Oppose
    37% Support
    17% Don't know
     
    And to what extent, if at all, do you trust the Home Office, ministers and civil servants to behave responsibly with information obtained using these powers?
    63% Do not trust
    27% Trust
     
    Sorry Theresa, go ahead with this and you'll generate some more independence supporters.
     
    England incidentally, is the exact opposite on the first question.
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  • Location: Carryduff, County Down 420ft ASL
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    I think I'll head out to the shops this afternoon with my £1,700 and blow it all. Just to p off those southern Tory MPs of course (who no doubt earn more than 99% of the Scottish population). Fancy a new 54 inch, curved, 3d, OLED TV, or something equally outrageous.

    At least with all this extra wealth from benefits we can continue to be more generous to charities. The figures for Children in Need were.

     

    1. Scotland - 60p on average donated per person. £3.2million donated by a population of 5,313,600

    2. England - 59p on average donated per person. £31.3 million donated by a population of 53,012,456(Official population, add on a couple of million for illegals)

    3. Wales - 52p on average donated per person. £1.6 million donated by a population of 3,063,456

    4. Northern Ireland - 50p on average donated per person. £0.9 million donated by a population of 1,810,863

     

    Not so stingy after all it would appear.

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