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  • Location: Tullynessle/Inverurie
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    Just over two weeks to go and I think I better order in the popcorn now. And a big bag at that.

     

    I think I'll be ordering extra coffee and caffeine drinks as I don't think I'm gonna want to sleep until the results are in. What I assume were the estimated declaration times in 2010 are here...http://www.politicsresources.net/area/uk/ge10/dec.htm

     

    Renfrewshire East looks like 2:30am, my own constituency, Aberdeenshire West & Kincardine, is listed as 4am.

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    And that ignorant, offensive, rant sums up exactly why the YES campaign failed  

    Good god. What a load of boarish spiteful bile from bad losers has been posted during the night. I actually dread to think how Scotland would be run if this is representative of how the yes vote behav

    I'm disappointed in the lack of grace shown by some across the net in accepting this No vote. A complete lack of any empathy and understanding as to why fellow Scots didn't vote Yes.   I personally

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  • Location: Stoke Gifford, Bristol
  • Location: Stoke Gifford, Bristol

    With apologies to SWS, but what have the tories ever done for anybody in the UK, apart from look after themselves? They don't suddenly become wonderfully caring south of Carlisle.

     

     

    Good to see the Scottish Greens are winning Lauren's exit poll by a healthy margin - 100%!   :whistling:

     

    Damn, instant karma - some fkr's gone and voted tory! (Must figure out how to hack this, can't be that difficult if that guy hacked the CPS and got Wandsworth to release him...)

    "....some fkr's gone and voted tory!".....

     

    Guilty, as charged.

    Remember the poor do not vote Tory, but the "filthy rich" do! :whistling:

    Glad to see the North/South divide is alive and well in Scot Nat land.

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  • Location: Calgary, Canada (1230m asl)
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  • Location: Calgary, Canada (1230m asl)

     

    Glad to see the North/South divide is alive and well in Scot Nat land.

     

    As opposed to the Decent People/telephone boxless* Goodfornothing divide in BritNat land?

     

    How can f£ckless be a sweary word?

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    Marriage is after all a Christian tradition, certainly in this country.

     

    Christian's nicked it from paganism, like a lot of stuff.

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  • Location: Live Thame (Oxfordshire), Work Heathrow Airport
  • Location: Live Thame (Oxfordshire), Work Heathrow Airport

    "....some fkr's gone and voted tory!".....

     

    Guilty, as charged.

    Remember the poor do not vote Tory, but the "filthy rich" do! :whistling:

    Glad to see the North/South divide is alive and well in Scot Nat land.

     

    10.7 million filthy rich people in 2010, who would have thought there were so many filthy rich out there!!

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  • Location: Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire
  • Weather Preferences: Winter: Cold & Snowy, Summer: Just not hot
  • Location: Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire

    As opposed to the Decent People/telephone boxless* Goodfornothing divide in BritNat land?

     

    How can f£ckless be a sweary word?

     

    It's the first 4 letters of feckless that triggers the swear filter. You try saying Scunthorpe and you'll encounter a similar problem :D

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    As I've being saying and is obviously for all to see; the Tories would much prefer we vote Labour, not SNP.

     

    Jim. Ruth is backing you guys!

     

    What an endorsement.

     

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/scottish-politics/davidson-conservatives-should-not-welcome-prospect-of-snp-mps-being-elect.1429613374

     

    Davidson: Conservatives should not welcome prospect of SNP MPs being elected at Labour's expense
     
    Conservatives shouldn't be welcoming the prospect of a lot of SNP MPs being elected at the expense of Labour in Scotland, Ruth Davidson has said.

     

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    Thinking about my earlier post re the potential for a new record low for the Tories in Scotland...

     

    Yougov polls ahead of 2010 gave them peak values of 21%. They got 17%.

     

    This time, max polling from Yougov has been 18%. Might suggest 14% on the day, even 13%. That would tie in with 2011 and give the Tories their lowest share of the vote ever in Scotland in a UKGE.

     

    Also, we could well see Con + Lib on less than 20%. Now that would be something if e.g. Con + Lib can throw a coalition together, e.g. with DUP.

     

    80% voted against... Whoa for democratic deficit.

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  • Location: Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire
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  • Location: Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire

    It seems that the unionist parties north of the border are going through such negative campaigning, they have no idea who they hate the most.

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  • Location: NH7256
  • Weather Preferences: where's my vote?
  • Location: NH7256

    It's the first 4 letters of telephone boxless that triggers the swear filter. You try saying Sprunehorpe and you'll encounter a similar problem :D

     

    You thinking of detelephone boxting? But it doesn't pick up 'semolina' or 'angel delight'...

     

    edit... I could have fun on this all afternoon but unfortunately the world beckons.

     

    BTW, I'll add stained glass windowless cap-doffers to the list of potential tory voters.

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  • Location: Coatbridge, North Lanarkshire (this lockdown) Freuchie, Fife (normally)
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  • Location: Coatbridge, North Lanarkshire (this lockdown) Freuchie, Fife (normally)

    I think I'll be ordering extra coffee and caffeine drinks as I don't think I'm gonna want to sleep until the results are in. What I assume were the estimated declaration times in 2010 are here...http://www.politicsresources.net/area/uk/ge10/dec.htm

     

    Renfrewshire East looks like 2:30am, my own constituency, Aberdeenshire West & Kincardine, is listed as 4am.

    Here's the one for this year (I suspect it's basically the same as that list):

    http://election.pressassociation.com/Declaration_times/general_2015_by_time.php

    Glasgow out before Edinburgh as always, which, if polling is right, should make for some early fireworks, and my count in Glenrothes with NE Fife, Glenrothes and Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath is likely to be one of the first to declare too. Would be nice for NE Fife to be the first SNP gain from my perspective, especially since it means I can dash to the nearest tv to watch the rest of the results come in (after Glenrothes and Kirkcaldy have come in too). I think we're relatively hopeful of winning all 3 seats, which would make for a very fun count, and if we do that there aren't too many places where we wouldn't have a good shot of winning. I'm always a bit wary of course because in the back of my mind I'm still expecting some kind of swing back, and the GOTV operation needs to be working well to ensure we don't have people complacently sitting at home, but I suspect that memories of the referendum are raw enough that no one is going to be taking these results for granted and will be working flat out until polls close.

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    Three cheers for immigrants!

     

    Voting intention of those in Scotland born outside of the UK (from latest Yougov):

    50% SNP

    22% Lab

    16% Con

    8% Lib

    5% Green

    0% UKIP

     

    I have to say I do find such figures very pleasing, particularly as Mrs SS falls into that category.

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  • Location: Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire
  • Weather Preferences: Winter: Cold & Snowy, Summer: Just not hot
  • Location: Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire

    Three cheers for immigrants!

     

    Voting intention of those in Scotland born outside of the UK (from latest Yougov):

    50% SNP

    22% Lab

    16% Con

    8% Lib

    5% Green

    0% UKIP

     

    Is there any data for English voters living in Scotland? I saw an image of a guy at the SNP manifesto launch wearing an England rugby shirt and an SNP badge :D

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    Is there any data for English voters living in Scotland? I saw an image of a guy at the SNP manifesto launch wearing an England rugby shirt and an SNP badge :D

     

    Only 'ruk born' although that will be mostly from England. Averaging just shy of the 30% mark for SNP.

     

    Typically second place behind Labour.

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  • Location: Bedfordshire/Herts border 40m asl
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  • Location: Bedfordshire/Herts border 40m asl

    Is there any data for English voters living in Scotland? I saw an image of a guy at the SNP manifesto launch wearing an England rugby shirt and an SNP badge :D

     

    Yes, yes, this one *waves arm* but prudently, given the stirring rhetoric from the 3 main parties, I tend to keep quiet about my former voting preferences where I am atm, because of the inevitable rows that creates.  Unless I want to deliberately upset people I don't like, obviously.  And if that g*t who lives above me storm troops around at night and wakes me again I'll stick a huge photo of Storming Sturgeon (as she's called down here) in my drawing room window.

     

    Its no fun being deported back south during this election.  So only temporary residence in Scotland now (until my poor Daddy no longer needs looking after) and unfortunately registered down there.  But, as the saying goes, I'll be back.  :D  

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    Latest Scottish PoP from the BBC's Prof Calculus at whitscotlandthinks.

     

    Some evidence for further movement from Lab to SNP recently.

     

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  • Location: Glasgow Southside 30m ASL.
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  • Location: Glasgow Southside 30m ASL.

    Another thing about tactical voting, in a contest that looks like being very tight UK wide, why would you want to give your main rival an extra seat? It could make all the difference in whether the Tories or Labour are the 'biggest party' (TM Scottish Labour) and 'get to form the government' (TM...).

    For E.Ren specifically, as a Tory voter would you rather Murphy won or would you rather see Labour embarrassed by seeing him lose his seat? The temptation to see the latter would be high i'd expect.

     

    Yes, on the face of it tactical voting wouldn't make sense. However I suspect there will be quite  a few unionists who would take their preferred party losing at Westminster to stop the SNP here.

     

    I know this sounds quite pessimistic on my part, but I've been convinced that there would be quite large scale unionist tactical voting for a good while now. Particularly in seats where the SNP do not have an absolute majority, I can see Labour/Tory/Lib voters lining up behind the candidate most likely to stop them. This won't work in every example, but there will be seats where it does. You only have to look back at how closely Labour and Conservative Parties worked during the referendum here to see that they can be quite comfortable with each other.

     

    As for why the polls won't yet take this into account, there are still two weeks left until Polling day, and the decision to vote tactically will I think be made much closer to the election itself, when it becomes clear to some that the SNP vote is not falling back like it typically would at a UK Gen Election (ie swing from SNP to Lab to stop Tories). 

     

    As much as there are many in Scotland who are impressed with the SNP and their performance at this election, there are others who will simply never take to them. As much as this election is not about independence, the referendum still looms large for many in Scotland. This is true for both sides of the debate - I wouldn't normally be inclined to vote SNP but I will this time - and I doubt these differences in opinion are going to heal for quite a while. That's simply democracy, not trying to say Scotland is 'divided' or anything like it, although I would add I think certain factions on the unionist side will try and suggest that it is then pin the blame on the SNP. FWIW, I think support for the SNP/FFA/Independence will all continue to rise over the next few years anyway, particularly if Farage and his UKIP roasters get any sort of influence at WM.

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32390121

     

    "David Cameron should not be talking up a nationalist party in order to try and get them to do well in Scotland to take votes off Labour to try and crawl back into Downing Street," he said.

     

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    Says man standing in front of huge flag which is the primary symbol of his party.

     

    The cognitive dissonance is just divine.

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  • Location: Dumfries, South West Scotland.
  • Weather Preferences: Snow and cold in winter and dry and very warm in summer
  • Location: Dumfries, South West Scotland.

    "....some fkr's gone and voted tory!".....

     

    Guilty, as charged.

    Remember the poor do not vote Tory, but the "filthy rich" do! :whistling:

    Glad to see the North/South divide is alive and well in Scot Nat land.

    I knew it would be you BB...

     

    Christian's nicked it from paganism, like a lot of stuff.

    Yeah, that is true. Out of interest, did Paganism accept homosexuality?

    Anyway, the Christian tradition which does dominate British culture doesn't condone marriage of same sex couples.

     

    I certainly won't support people using their religion to discriminate in general life against someone though, i think it's rather irrelevant since someone's sexuality doesn't determine their character and just isn't important.

    I don't think Tory voters are anymore discriminatory really (due to the age of the voters it may be slight but in younger age groups i don't think so). Some of the views i've so far heard at work in a low pay, low skill environment are rather abhorrent. Fertile ground for 'old' Labour types and even UKIP.  

     

    Republican socialist green Europhile carnivore party.  Founding member.  Membership: 1.   Tactical voter extraordinaire.

     

    Why do you believe the Monarchy should be abolished?

    She makes a net contribution, not a loss of money....

    Their powers are mainly just for show, therefore not impeding the democratic process.

    Something that many countries look up to and she gives us greater power and appeal on a global stage.

     

    The greens - 

    So you believe in a zero growth economy? A policy which puts us in a constant state of recession. All of us 'tightening our belts' even further just because of an ideological aim to be 'self-sufficient'... Effectively punishing people for having any kind of luxury. This may be more the policy of the E&W Greens that the Scottish party but they both have been formed from the ideology (debatable that it's an ideology but for want of a better word) of ecology and 'dark green' politics is pretty radical.

     

    Health

    Healthy Challenge fund - You support spending money on teaching people on how to get fit? Why can't people do this themselves, why do the rest of us have to pay and support a minority who are significantly overweight which has been caused in 99% of cases completely by the individual concerned. 

     

    Scrap benefit cap - So allow abuse of the welfare system (great). Abolish work capacity assessment - so we have no idea who is genuinely unable to work and who is playing the system. Therefore, giving money to people who should't be receiving it. Do you think it's 'morally right' (The 'left' seem to bang on about this phrase) that people can easily exploit the system and live off OUR money?

     

    Education

    'More support to schools to help pupils become more rounded individuals'... I'd love to actually know what this means. 

     

    Foreign and defence

    You think scaling back our army is a positive thing? Decreasing our ability to defend ourselves, oh no but wait we live in a very stable world so it'll all be fine. I forgot.

     

    Relaxing border controls - You are honestly telling me that Scotland will not see the problems that the SE of the UK has seen due to an open door policy at some point if we were to have an 'open door' policy? Currently, immigration is not a big concern here but controlled immigration of people with a set of required skills is the way forward not some revolving door.

     

    Taxation

    Well we already know they hate the wealthy so...

    Land value tax - So destroying farmers and punishing those with some modest land. All with the goal of 'redistribution' in mind. In this instance, it's just a smokescreen for jealousy. To punish those who have and to give to those who do not currently have (who have not earned/bought it). 

     

    £10 minimum wage. So low skilled workers can earn more than those who have stayed in higher education? So adversely effect small businesses (local farm shops, butchers, green grocers), i thought the Greens were against large conglomerates but silly me.

     

    Law and Order

    Limit anti-terror laws. So allowing radical preaching in out society, restricting our ability to deport harmful people. Less protection against ISIS etc

     

    Pensions

    A Citizen's pension - a huge expensive waste of a universal benefit. Not rewarding those who have paid into the system for far longer and with far more money when compared with everyone else. Really 'inspirational' and 'fair' don't you think?

     

    Environmental policies - Self-explanatory really. Pretty extreme and far reaching. It wouldn't be long before all our cars are heavily taxed on our fuel consumption's, a much more severe step on from the current taxes.

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  • Location: NH7256
  • Weather Preferences: where's my vote?
  • Location: NH7256

    I knew it would be you BB...

     

    Yeah, that is true. Out of interest, did Paganism accept homosexuality?

    Anyway, the Christian tradition which does dominate British culture doesn't condone marriage of same sex couples.

     

    I certainly won't support people using their religion to discriminate in general life against someone though, i think it's rather irrelevant since someone's sexuality doesn't determine their character and just isn't important.

    I don't think Tory voters are anymore discriminatory really (due to the age of the voters it may be slight but in younger age groups i don't think so). Some of the views i've so far heard at work in a low pay, low skill environment are rather abhorrent. Fertile ground for 'old' Labour types and even UKIP.  

     

     

    Why do you believe the Monarchy should be abolished?

    She makes a net contribution, not a loss of money....

    Their powers are mainly just for show, therefore not impeding the democratic process.

    Something that many countries look up to and she gives us greater power and appeal on a global stage.

     

    The greens - 

    So you believe in a zero growth economy? A policy which puts us in a constant state of recession. All of us 'tightening our belts' even further just because of an ideological aim to be 'self-sufficient'... Effectively punishing people for having any kind of luxury. This may be more the policy of the E&W Greens that the Scottish party but they both have been formed from the ideology (debatable that it's an ideology but for want of a better word) of ecology and 'dark green' politics is pretty radical.

     

    Health

    Healthy Challenge fund - You support spending money on teaching people on how to get fit? Why can't people do this themselves, why do the rest of us have to pay and support a minority who are significantly overweight which has been caused in 99% of cases completely by the individual concerned. 

     

    Scrap benefit cap - So allow abuse of the welfare system (great). Abolish work capacity assessment - so we have no idea who is genuinely unable to work and who is playing the system. Therefore, giving money to people who should't be receiving it. Do you think it's 'morally right' (The 'left' seem to bang on about this phrase) that people can easily exploit the system and live off OUR money?

     

    Education

    'More support to schools to help pupils become more rounded individuals'... I'd love to actually know what this means. 

     

    Foreign and defence

    You think scaling back our army is a positive thing? Decreasing our ability to defend ourselves, oh no but wait we live in a very stable world so it'll all be fine. I forgot.

     

    Relaxing border controls - You are honestly telling me that Scotland will not see the problems that the SE of the UK has seen due to an open door policy at some point if we were to have an 'open door' policy? Currently, immigration is not a big concern here but controlled immigration of people with a set of required skills is the way forward not some revolving door.

     

    Taxation

    Well we already know they hate the wealthy so...

    Land value tax - So destroying farmers and punishing those with some modest land. All with the goal of 'redistribution' in mind. In this instance, it's just a smokescreen for jealousy. To punish those who have and to give to those who do not currently have (who have not earned/bought it). 

     

    £10 minimum wage. So low skilled workers can earn more than those who have stayed in higher education? So adversely effect small businesses (local farm shops, butchers, green grocers), i thought the Greens were against large conglomerates but silly me.

     

    Law and Order

    Limit anti-terror laws. So allowing radical preaching in out society, restricting our ability to deport harmful people. Less protection against ISIS etc

     

    Pensions

    A Citizen's pension - a huge expensive waste of a universal benefit. Not rewarding those who have paid into the system for far longer and with far more money when compared with everyone else. Really 'inspirational' and 'fair' don't you think?

     

    Environmental policies - Self-explanatory really. Pretty extreme and far reaching. It wouldn't be long before all our cars are heavily taxed on our fuel consumption's, a much more severe step on from the current taxes.

     

    For me, a green vote is partly having an affinity with some of their policies, partly not being able to vote for all the others available in this constituency for one reason or another.  I won't vote tory because they're self-serving twats; I won't vote FibDem cos they kept the tories in power for 5 years; I won't vote NooLabor because they're trying to be all things to all people and inevitably failing; I won't vote UKIP, well do I need to explain that? I am close to SNP but they're just too centrist and while I'm swerving towards Scottish independence, I'm not there.

     

    I would abolish the monarchy because they're interfering inbred spongers that tell the rest of the world that the UK is still living in the past.

     

    Taxation: closest to my ideal, which is that we tax the rich fkrs till they squeak so the rest of us can drink beer all week; no hang on; a fairer tax system would result in a fairer society, it's one tool to make the country a more equal place.  Ever heard of child poverty?

     

    More later if you want but I'm a 2 finger typist so this is a long post for me.

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  • Location: Inbhir Nis / Inverness - 636 ft asl
  • Weather Preferences: Freezing fog, frost, snow, sunshine.
  • Location: Inbhir Nis / Inverness - 636 ft asl

    Further to our discussions on tactical voting, there's evidence that the "only x or y can win here" / "only x can stop the SNP" and "only x can stop the Tories" actually helps the SNP:

     

    CDIReU2WYAENryI.jpg

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  • Location: Dumfries, South West Scotland.
  • Weather Preferences: Snow and cold in winter and dry and very warm in summer
  • Location: Dumfries, South West Scotland.

    For me, a green vote is partly having an affinity with some of their policies, partly not being able to vote for all the others available in this constituency for one reason or another. I won't vote tory because they're self-serving twats; I won't vote FibDem cos they kept the tories in power for 5 years; I won't vote NooLabor because they're trying to be all things to all people and inevitably failing; I won't vote UKIP, well do I need to explain that? I am close to SNP but they're just too centrist and while I'm swerving towards Scottish independence, I'm not there.

    I would abolish the monarchy because they're interfering inbred spongers that tell the rest of the world that the UK is still living in the past.

    Taxation: closest to my ideal, which is that we tax the rich fkrs till they squeak so the rest of us can drink beer all week; no hang on; a fairer tax system would result in a fairer society, it's one tool to make the country a more equal place. Ever heard of child poverty?

    More later if you want but I'm a 2 finger typist so this is a long post for me.

    Fair enough.

    You obviously see the monarchy as a relic of the past. I'd argue it's a benefit and more importantly something I like. Thankfully a majority still do (I fear for the short period when Charles is in charge, I hope he passes over to William very quickly).

    I disagree that what the greens are proposing is 'fair'.

    We are already taxed fairly heavily (and that's fine) but we've also seen pensions tapped into when people have been paying in for years and years with large sums of their money taken away 'for a rainy day', all to nothing.

    We're taxed on our new cars (we don't buy new ones but some people do), on our houses, clothes.

    Generally the 'stretched middle' who juggle mortgages, young families, upgrading cars for the family etc etc are those who get hit by these policies hardest.

    Not really the rich pensioner or 60 year old businessman earning 100k+, neither are the millionaires...

    To specifically refer to your 'child poverty' comment. I'd agree it's a problem.

    How do you solve it?

    Well, a common denominator amongst many in Poverty is unemployment.

    Employment is at a 30 year high I'm led to believe.

    Unemployment is lowering

    Wages are FINALLY rising in line or above inflation.

    In recent years, the smoking ban has been introduced and drinking is down. Again, freeing up money for those in (relative) poverty.

    So these policies have addressed the fact that smoking and drinking was more prevalent anongst those on the lowest earnings (or no earnings at all). Thus, meaning more money is spent on the kids.

    I believe this issue is solved or improved through getting people into work primarily.

    Spending more money than the average family does on cigarettes and alcohol is down the the individual fundamentally in my opinion. Chucking more money to them will not translate in all that money spent on the kids.

    Also, obesity is more prevalent in the lower socio-economic groups too. Less ability to find employment etc but this is an individual's fault/problem not the state's domain really. It's not rocket science.

    Others, argue all these problems are due to the mass unemployment created in the 1980s... We are now 30 or more years on. We are now a generation on too but I'll let sleeping dogs lie on that one.

    Advocate a socialist govenment all you want but maybe it would be advisable to look to the near continent for evidence of how that's working ie France.

    Unemployment is 3/4% higher there, if that makes it a fairer society in your eyes then great. Personally, a slightly lower Gini co-efficient for higher unemployment is not preferable to much lower unemployment but a slightly more unequal society.

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    Further to our discussions on tactical voting, there's evidence that the "only x or y can win here" / "only x can stop the SNP" and "only x can stop the Tories" actually helps the SNP:

     

    CDIReU2WYAENryI.jpg

     

    Aye, I keep saying this.

     

    Tactical voting requires the voter, rather than voting for who they support, to vote for a party they don't mind too much (lets call this Party A) to stop one they hate (Party B).

     

    The above polls show that (A) is the SNP and (B) is Con or Lib then the moderately less disliked Labour.

     

    This is of course backed up by Surgeon getting another 7 in 10 sat rating in the latest Yougov.

     

    Doesn't bode well for tactical unionist voting. They'd be wise not to push it in the media as could result in an SNP clean sweep with well over 50% of the vote.

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    Well on drive home from work, Radio 2 news was full on about Lord this and Lord that justifying the need for tactical voting against the SNP. Democracy has come full circle. The unelected lords now telling us to be undemocratic and vote for a party of the union and not of your choice. The BBC are pushing this well and will keep the story alive to keep it in the back of unsuspecting folks minds until election day. Would be great if it back fires and more people vote SNP in spite of those BBC/Lords.

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    For what it's worth, here's the Holyrood 2016 poll from Yougov put into scotlandvotes.

     

    Standard (for polls of late) 60% of MSPs from pro-indy parties.

     

     

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