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    Sorry, I don't really get what you mean.

    The Conservatives are separatists since they don't advocate a union with every other country on the planet?

    France, China, USA etc....

    That makes no sense.

    When did they become separatists? Since I presume you wouldn't call the country which oversaw the commonwealth at the height of that era separatist....

    A strange one.

    On Ireland, yes Balmaha, MS et al I take your point. I'm not claiming to be an expert and I tried to keep my comments neutral.

    Ok, you can harp back to bygone days (I hope some of those days are firmly in the past*) and blame the UK but ultimately in the here and now you have Northern Ireland which does want to remain part of the UK.

    * - I am under the impression that the demographics are changing and at some point soon we'll have a 50/50 situation on whether NI will rejoin the Republic or to stay.

    Perhaps I'm wrong on this...

     

    Do the conservatives want to be in union with France, with e.g. Paris as the capital, or separate?

     

    If they want to be separate, they are separatists. Maintaining separation is no different from instigating it.

     

    Anyway, you know what I mean. Separatist is simply a pejorative term for people seeking normal status for their country. It is unusually used by imperialists / the state attempting to dominate a nation which seeks self determination.

     

    It's used as appropriate. Scots wanting independence are called 'separatists' by unionists. The same unionists call those wanting Northern Ireland to be separated from Ireland 'unionists' rather than separatists. Likewise, Dave calls scottish independence supporters separatists, while at the same time calling ethnic Russians in the eastern Ukraine who want to unite with Russia, forming part of a union, separatists rather than unionists...

     

    Personally, I don't think people who want the UK to be separate from other countries / not directly ruled by other countries separatists. It would be nice if those who see the UK as their country extend the same to me (who sees Scotland as his country).

     

     

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    The empire was imperialist, not unionist.

     

     

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    On this topic, one of the key globally agreed human rights is that for people to have the right to form nations. 

     

    So why use pejorative terms for such people? You only do that if you are imperialist. The legislation after all was aimed at ending imperialism.

     

    http://www.ohchr.org/en/professionalinterest/pages/ccpr.aspx

     

    International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights
     
    Adopted and opened for signature, ratification and accession by General Assembly resolution 2200A (XXI) of 16 December 1966
    entry into force 23 March 1976, in accordance with Article 49

     

    PART I

    Article 1

    1. All peoples have the right of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

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    And that ignorant, offensive, rant sums up exactly why the YES campaign failed  

    Good god. What a load of boarish spiteful bile from bad losers has been posted during the night. I actually dread to think how Scotland would be run if this is representative of how the yes vote behav

    I'm disappointed in the lack of grace shown by some across the net in accepting this No vote. A complete lack of any empathy and understanding as to why fellow Scots didn't vote Yes.   I personally

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    Do the conservatives want to be in union with France, with e.g. Paris as the capital, or separate?

    If they want to be separate, they are separatists. Maintaining separation is no different from instigating it.l

    Anyway, you know what I mean. Separatist is simply a pejorative term for people seeking normal status for their country. It is unusual Lu used by imperialists / the

    state attempting to dominate a nation which seeks self determination.

    It's used as appropriate. Scots wanting independence are called 'separatists' by unionists. The same unionists call those wanting Northern Ireland to be separated from Ireland 'unionists' rather than separatists. Likewise, Dave calls scottish independence supporters separatists, while at the same time calling ethnic Russians in the eastern Ukraine who want to unite with Russia, forming part of a union, separatists rather than unionists...

    Personally, I don't think people who want the UK to be separate from other countries / not directly ruled by other countries

    separatists. It would be nice if those who see the UK as their country extend the same to me (who sees Scotland as his country).

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    The empire was imperialist, not unionist.

    On this topic, one of the key globally agreed human rights is that for people to have the right to form nations.

    So why use pejorative terms for such people? You only do that if you are imperialist. The legislation after all was aimed at ending imperialism.

    Surely this is in a UK and/or Scottish context...

    Does the Con/Lib/Lab parties advocate separating from Scotland or NI or Wales...? No.

    Does Plaid Cymru or the SNP want to separate Wales or Scotland from the rest of the UK? YES.

    It must be seen in our context. The 'unionist' parties want the union to remain intact. How is this difficult to understand? Why is the term 'separatist' so offensive to you?

    How are ethnics Russians who want to 'separate' from Ukraine and join Russia not separatists? Primarily their aim is to LEAVE then join a different country. Hardly aiming to maintain a 'union'.

    NI - those who want to leave the UK (ie the union) are wanting to SEPARATE from rUK. They are not unionists since there is no current union between RIreland and NI.

    Of course I 'know what you mean' but I find it a rather bizarre/strange/weird interpretation at best and rather proposterous in the more extreme.

    You must surely have a problem with the term 'separatist' as for all intent and purposes, we ALL know what that means.

    'Incrediably pedantic' would be how most find you argument but I think some would find it to be actually incorrect.

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
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    OFGS SW.

     

    I thought it was obvious I'm doing my devil's advocate thing+ looking at the 'bigger picture'.

     

    I couldn't care less about being called a separatist. It only damages the unionist cause. You don't win people to your side by using pejorative terms for them; only a complete fool would think that.

     

    It comes back to the 'One man's 'terrorist' is another man's 'freedom fighter' thing.

     

    It's all relative. If Scotland was independent right now and I supported Scottish independence (it not handing governance over to London), how come I wouldn't be a separatist? My political views would be absolutely identical. I would be against London rule and want Scotland governed by its own parliament - exactly as now - yet not a separatist... Huh?

     

    Using an example...

     

    I guess I grew up hearing about how people who supported Irish reunification were bad. That IRA were bad, but loyalist terrorists were, well, more acceptable. Two terrorist groups; one called 'terrorists', the other 'loyalists'. All for political expediency; it wouldn't do to talk about 'British Terrorist Groups' killing civilians under a union flag banner now would it. Then I read up on the subject + asked my Gran and found I had been subject to standard state propaganda. I learned what had happened over there. While the IRA attacking civilians was wrong, I then understood why they had come into existence. That it was not a simple case that Britain was the good guy and the Irish republicans were bad (which was the general media theme). In fact, it seemed to be more the other way around if anything. Britain had been very bad to Ireland and this was the result - the IRA attacking England.

     

    But then that's how these things always work.

     

    Would you call the Australians 'Separatists?' After all, they separated from the UK finally in 1986. Are the Irish not separatists too? It was within the lifetimes of some that they separated after all. If Scotland became independent, how come, almost instantly, I'd lose my separatist status yet not have changed by political views one bit?

     

    Like I said, one man's separatist is another's supporter of normality for their country.

     

    Anyone who uses the term is doing so simply in an attempt to demonise a group. Par for the course for imperialist types.

     

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    One thing I'll add is that I do empathise with people who feel British so want the union to work. It's easy to do; they just feel British as I feel Scottish. Their country is a UK, mine Scotland. It's not hard to understand. I wouldn't use pejorative terms for these people; at least as long as they don't do that to me.

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    Anyway, moving away from general political theory...

     

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    Exactly what you'd expect really.

     

    http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thomsons-view/clubby-chummy-synthetic-encounter-cameron/9341

     

    A clubby, chummy, synthetic encounter with Cameron
     
    Voters need to know that what is daily passed off as an election “campaign†at times feels like nothing more than an antiseptic exercise in keeping our party leaders away from real voters and real situations at all costs.
     
    So I will tell you what these events are really like.
     
    This morning the Prime Minister came to “Scotland†to launch the Scottish Tory manifesto.
     
    This is what happened...

     

    Kinda contrasts this:

     

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/nicola-sturgeon-mobbed-in-edinburgh-after-tv-debate-win-1-3737934

     

    Nicola Sturgeon mobbed in Edinburgh after TV debate win

     

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    OFGS SW.

     

    I thought it was obvious I'm doing my devil's advocate thing.

     

    I couldn't care less about being called a separatist. It only damages the unionist cause. You don't win people to your side by using pejorative terms for them; only a complete fool would think that.

     

    It comes back to the 'One man's 'terrorist' is another man's 'freedom fighter' thing.

     

    It's all relative. If Scotland was independent right now and I supported Scottish independence (it not handing governance over to London), how come I wouldn't be a separatist? My political views would be absolutely identical. I would be against London rule and want Scotland governed by its own parliament - exactly as now - yet not a separatist... Huh?

     

    I guess I grew up hearing about how people who supported Irish reunification were bad. That IRA were bad, but loyalist terrorists were, well, more acceptable. Two terrorist groups; one called 'terrorists', the other 'loyalists'. All for political expediency; it wouldn't do to talk about 'British Terrorist Groups' killing civilians under a union flag banner now would it. Then I read up on the subject + asked my Gran and found I had been subject to standard state propaganda. I learned what had happened over there. While the IRA attacking civilians was wrong, I then understood why they had come into existence. That it was not a simple case that Britain was the good guy and the Irish republicans were bad (which was the general media theme). In fact, it seemed to be more the other way around if anything. Britain had been very bad to Ireland and this was the result - the IRA attacking England.

     

    But then that's how these things always work.

     

    Would you call the Australians 'Separatists?' After all, they separated from the UK finally in 1986. Are the Irish not separatists too? It was within the lifetimes of some that they separated after all. If Scotland became independent, how come, almost instantly, I'd lose my separatist status yet not have changed by political views one bit?

     

    Like I said, one man's separatist is another's supporter of normality for their country.

     

    Anyone who uses the term is doing so simply in an attempt to demonise a group. Par for the course for imperiali types.

     

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    One thing I'll add is that I do empathise with people who feel British so want the union to work. It's easy to do; they just feel British as I feel Scottish. Their country is a UK, mine Scotland. It's not hard to understand. I wouldn't use pejorative terms for these people; at least as long as they don't do that to me.

    We hit the crux of the matter in the middle of that post. You basically don't like the term 'separatist' and the associated connotations (implied/imposed by the media).

    I understand that.

    However, I'm not sure that's 'playing devils advocate' exactly.

    In an independent Scotland, what would you be trying to separate from? You would cease to be a separatist. Nor would you be a unionist since you don't wish to remain part of any union.

    It's quite simple.

    A Scottish nationalist would be the best description. Again 'nationalist' (as you have questioned on numerous occasions - and rightly too) does have connotations, some of which are derogatory but it is the phrase which would be most accurate. In a buzzword sense ie euroskeptic with UKIP/right-wing Tories etc.

    The media likes to have these words and most people don't spend their time on a political (weather) forum most nights, thus buzzwords do help clarify what people are referring to.

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    I wouldn't be nationalist* if Scotland is independent SW. I'm a social democrat mind ('civic nationalist'), not right-wing (superiority based 'nationalism' in already independent countries).

     

    That would end to, just as separatist would.

     

    Like I said, I'd be exactly the same person with exactly the same views, yet suddenly no long a 'nationalist' nor a 'separatist'.

     

    I'd just be a normal citizen.

     

    I long for that. For normality. 

     

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    *In the eyes of the media etc. Of course technically I would still be, just like any e.g. Dane that want's Denmark to be Denmark and not a region of a greater Germany or something.

     

    I think in this we are agreed.

     

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    BTW I'm waffling a bit because on hols and Mrs SS is in France with mini Miss SS.

     

    Just me, the dugs, polls and a beer!

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    I wouldn't be nationalist* if Scotland is independent SW. I'm a social democrat mind ('civic nationalist'), not right-wing (superiority based 'nationalism' in already independent countries).

     

    That would end to, just as separatist would.

     

    Like I said, I'd be exactly the same person with exactly the same views, yet suddenly no long a 'nationalist' nor a 'separatist'.

     

    I'd just be a normal citizen.

     

    I long for that. For normality. 

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    *In the eyes of the media etc. Of course technically I would still be, just like any e.g. Dane that want's Denmark to be Denmark and not a region of a greater Germany or something.

     

    I think in this we are agreed.

     

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    BTW I'm waffling a bit because on hols and Mrs SS is in France with mini Miss SS.

     

    Just me, the dugs, polls and a beer!

    'Escape to the country' is on and I'm not allowed to watch the debate until it's finished (2 mins left, thank the lord).

    I retract the Scottish nationalist remark then. Fair enough.

    I agree with hat your saying, you long to be a Scot rather than a Scottish nationalist or 'separatist' but you are still a Scottish or a 'Scot' currently though.

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    Really busy earning a crust this week hence absence from the heckling.  A trawl through the UK GE thread was improved after adding several members to my list of blocked.  Unpleasant tone to debate there sometimes; I was especially annoyed by the stupid comments around the issue of domestic violence.

     

    The tory manifesto is hopeless, they know nobody reads manifestos! But their idea of selling off social housing is crap - how to make a bad problem worse. It would be a disaster for low income families, but do they give a toss? :rofl: :rofl:

     

    Labour def won't get my vote as it's become obvious that they really are just red tories. I hate this - I grew up in a labour household, strongly socialist father who I'm proud of, and with friends at school who shared ideals. This evening's comments by Millibrain about immigration were the nail in the coffin.

     

    Flags, eh? Where to start?

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    Really busy earning a crust this week hence absence from the heckling. A trawl through the UK GE thread was improved after adding several members to my list of blocked. Unpleasant tone to debate there sometimes; I was especially annoyed by the stupid comments around the issue of domestic violence.

    The tory manifesto is hopeless, they know nobody reads manifestos! But their idea of selling off social housing is crap - how to make a bad problem worse. It would be a disaster for low income families, but do they give a toss? :rofl: :rofl:

    Labour def won't get my vote as it's become obvious that they really are just red tories. I hate this - I grew up in a labour household, strongly socialist father who I'm proud of, and with friends at school who shared ideals. This evening's comments by Millibrain about immigration were the nail in the coffin.

    Flags, eh? Where to start?

    Who are you thinking of voting for then?

    I - almost - couldn't disagree with you more politically it would seem but I'm just interested in who your options actually are...

    If you want socialists then SSP it is really. Maybe Greens... Depends how far you want to compromise your own beliefs for a party, though if you voted for Labour in 2010 (1997 onwards really) then I suppose it's a mute point.

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    Scottish subsample (so normal caveats apply) of Survation's post debate poll.

     

    Who do you think 'won' the debate? (Survation, respondents in Scotland only) :
     
    Nicola Sturgeon 67.9%
    Ed Miliband 17.4%
    Nigel Farage 8.5%
    Natalie Bennett 5.2%
    Leanne Wood 1.1%
     
    Would make the best Prime Minister?
    Nicola Sturgeon 56.4%
    Ed Miliband 31.6%
    Nigel Farage 7.3%
    Natalie Bennett 4.0%
    Leanne Wood 0.8%
     
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    Who are you thinking of voting for then?

     

    For HC it has to be the Popular People's Republican Socialist Front of the Black Isle. 

     

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    I recall the first time I had to actually make a choice was in 1997 for my first vote.

     

    I did consider Labour and Lib. However, I was suspicious of Blair (not being left wing) even though Labour were offering a Scottish Parliament.

     

    So, this left me the Libs and SNP. Given both were not that far apart, SNP just left and Libs just right but both yellow flag liberals, I opted for SNP. As I've said before, I wasn't desperate for indy at that time - devo looked a good start. However, the Libs refusal to support indy as an option in the constitutional convention had me wondering about whether they really were liberal democrats.

     

    SNP I could be sure would work in the interests of Scotland and were very clear what they stood for. So, that's what it was.

     

    Tony confirmed my suspicions very quickly. I lost any trace of faith in the Libs in 2007 when they refused a referendum on devo max / federalism. Nope, not liberal democrats, but conservative (not wanting radical change) and unionist. That's when I largely gave up on the idea that the union could modernise to some sort of new, federal / confederal relationship and decided indy was definitely the only option short of something drastic changing.

     

    I'm glad I never voted for New Labour or Lib. I'd have regretted it.

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    In other news, shock as Tories demand to keep subsidising (supposedly) tartan wallpapered spare bedroom which doesn't vote for them.

     

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/wider-political-news/cameron-rules-out-deal-with-snp-on-full-fiscal-autonomy.123430294

     

    Cameron rules out deal with SNP on full fiscal autonomy
     
    DAVID Cameron has emphatically ruled out a deal with the SNP to deliver the Nationalists' demand for full fiscal autonomy.
     
    The Prime Minister said the plan, which would see the Scottish Government assume responsibility for almost all tax and spending decisions north of the Border, would end a key feature of the UK, the "fiscal union" which allows taxes to be shared and resources transferred between nations.

     

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    Didn't get to watch last night's debate live but caught up with it later and really enjoyed it. I've got to agree with Nigel on the audience, not fair for the BBC to pack it out with nationalists who clapped and cheered every time Nicola spoke. :rofl:

     

    Seriously, I though Sturgeon did very well and speared Milliband at the end. Milliband overall did reasonably well, except for at the end. Bennett and Woods got a few good points across but struggled in places. Farage, was Farage. Everything was down to EU & immigration and insulting the audience wasn't exactly a master stroke.

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    I feel quite heartened. If Call me Dave says he's ruling out any deal, then that's it settled. He will deal.

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    I can see why SNP and Plaid are linked. I can see why the 'three women' are united.

    However, I really don't like the SNP's support of the Greens. Especially the E&W party in these debates.

    They are clear to distance themselves from the Tories and 'new' Labour but I feel they should also distance themselves from (basically) socialists and extreme liberals.

    I suppose with a GE election skewed to the right then it's understandable but I'd like to see them push away from the real 'left' parties in the coming months/years

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    I can see why SNP and Plaid are linked. I can see why the 'three women' are united.

    However, I really don't like the SNP's support of the Greens. Especially the E&W party in these debates.

    They are clear to distance themselves from the Tories and 'new' Labour but I feel they should also distance themselves from (basically) socialists and extreme liberals.

    I suppose with a GE election skewed to the right then it's understandable but I'd like to see them push away from the real 'left' parties in the coming months/years

     

    The English equivalent of the SNP is either the English Democrats or maybe UKIP.

     

    I think the SNP are a bit closer to the Greens than they are to the above two...

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    The English equivalent of the SNP is either the English Democrats or maybe UKIP.

     

    I think the SNP are a bit closer to the Greens than they are to the above two...

    I think ultimately, even if the Greens are a bit to our left, it doesn't really matter in a Westminster context because any 'wedge' issues between the Greens and SNP are likely to be so far left that it would have no support from Labour or the tories and wouldn't even be voted on, so the SNP's voting record is almost identical to that of Caroline Lucas. I don't think we're allied to them anything like as much as we are to Plaid though, for obvious reasons. Anyway, I pretty much concur with the consensus view of the debates - Nicola great, Miliband improved until the end, Farage dreadful (but probably did enough to keep his core vote onside), Wood very good and Bennett improved, although I still think Patrick Harvie should've taken one of the debates, as he would've been perfectly entitled to do given he's co-convener of the Scottish Greens and the slot was effective for the 3 UK-wide Green parties.

     

    Anyway, I was having a look through the latest UK poll tabs, as you do when taking a break from thermodynamics revision, and I found a few moderately interesting things. Firstly, the number of undecideds in the Scottish polls is not particularly high compared to the UK-wide polls - 26% of voters were undecided in the TNS UK poll, 6% in MORI and 12% in YouGov, which compared to 29%, 6% (in the subsample) and 10%, so pretty much in line. Now it's possible that these voters will break mostly one way or another late in the day, but it's worth bearing in mind that in 2010 YouGov and TNS were both recording very similar numbers of undecideds the week before polling day. Both overestimated the Lib Dems but otherwise they were pretty accurate, so I'm now even more sceptical that there's going to be some last minute break to Labour.

     

    The other thing is the Scottish subsamples, which continue to look good for the SNP - all had us somewhere between 40% and 55%, with Labour no higher than around 25%. This isn't a big deal as the MoE on these are pretty big, but I remember when YouGov had a few subsamples in a row with a closer gap at the end of March it caused a few Labourites to get a bit excited, and if there was any sign of a swingback the subsamples might well hint at it.

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    Liberal democrat tells people to not vote freely for the party they support, but instead vote tactically using a system the Liberal Democrats used to oppose as its not democratic.

     

    So much for the promotion of liberal democracy.

     

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/scottish-politics/clegg-tells-tory-and-labour-supporter-vote-tactically-to-stop-salmond-ret.1429278771

     

    Clegg tells Tory and Labour supporter: vote tactically to stop Salmond returning to Westminster

     

     

    Lib Dems are conservative and unionist = oppose radical home rule, support status quo unionism, and favour FPTP.

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    Holy s**t.

     

    Need to go pick up Mrs SS from the airport right now so that's all I'll say.

     

    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2015/04/latest-scottish-constituency-polling/

     

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    Pretty incredible stuff SS. I have been worrying about a swing away from the SNP as former Labour supporters get nervous. It's actually swinging more to the SNP.

     

    I think you have said before that the polls were underplaying the SNP due to weighting issues, maybe they are catching up as we approach the vote.

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  • Weather Preferences: Cold and snowy or warm and dry
  • Location: Tullynessle/Inverurie

    Looks like Murphy really is in the deep doo doo. If he was hoping for a tactical vote to save him now, there's no LibDems worth talking about. He can't openly court the Tory voters because surely he'd get slaughtered in the press for doing it, and abandoned by what Labour vote he currently retains. Unless he can pull back some of the SNP vote I really can't see a way out of it for him.

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  • Location: Lochgelly - Highest town in Fife at 150m ASL.
  • Weather Preferences: Snow and cold. Enjoy all extremes though.
  • Location: Lochgelly - Highest town in Fife at 150m ASL.

    Looks like Murphy really is in the deep doo doo. If he was hoping for a tactical vote to save him now, there's no LibDems worth talking about. He can't openly court the Tory voters because surely he'd get slaughtered in the press for doing it, and abandoned by what Labour vote he currently retains. Unless he can pull back some of the SNP vote I really can't see a way out of it for him.

    "Praise the Lord and Pass the ammunition" :D  Just need to watch those postal votes now!

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  • Location: Calgary, Canada (1230m asl)
  • Weather Preferences: Wind driven falling snow
  • Location: Calgary, Canada (1230m asl)

    Jim reliant on Torys to get elected. Incredible.

     

    He'll need to hope that Jesus is a Tory cos he's needing a miracle of biblical proportions judging by that poll.

     

    Only my constituency looking tight on that list, and even that's winnable for the SNP. It would only take a 1% swing to the SNP, well within MOE and very possible.

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