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    I would have been interested to see your reaction if it was Yes voters threatened with being "shot".

     

    To clarify, I would not have blamed Scotland for leaving one bit, if I could get rid of Westminster then I would do so in a heartbeat. But sections of both sides of this referendum should be ashamed of themselves. Instead of a reasoned debate on a crucial issue, it descended into intimidation, threats and bullying. I'd wager that the reason for the higher No vote than the polls suggested was due to them being afraid of admitting it, similar to the "shy Tory" factor that caused inaccuracies in polls for years. I might be wrong, but that's just my tuppence.

     

    The final result wasn't that far removed from previous polls, as noted earlier in this thread we now have "That ICM" (the big Yes outlier) to line up next to "That ECM" from weather chat. I think the pollsters proved themselves to be pretty good.

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    And that ignorant, offensive, rant sums up exactly why the YES campaign failed  

    Good god. What a load of boarish spiteful bile from bad losers has been posted during the night. I actually dread to think how Scotland would be run if this is representative of how the yes vote behav

    I'm disappointed in the lack of grace shown by some across the net in accepting this No vote. A complete lack of any empathy and understanding as to why fellow Scots didn't vote Yes.   I personally

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  • Location: Highland Scotland
  • Location: Highland Scotland

    snp.org has blown up again! Over 11,000 new members added since polls shut, that number added is thought to be equivalent of the whole of Scottish Labour now. Scottish Green Party is 3 times the size it was on Thursday!

    Scotland is watching. Scotland is waiting. The Tories already know how long Scotland can hold a political grudge, Labour should take note. The promises must be delivered on (and I agree that the WLQ must be resolved because fixing one democratic deficit with another is no fix at all).

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  • Location: Tullynessle/Inverurie
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  • Location: Tullynessle/Inverurie

    snp.org has blown up again! Over 11,000 new members added since polls shut, that number added is thought to be equivalent of the whole of Scottish Labour now. Scottish Green Party is 3 times the size it was on Thursday!

     

    Getting outdated quickly....

     

     

    Q: Which political party grew by over 50% in under 85 hours? A: @theSNP 13,382 new members and counting #trivialpursuitquestions

     

     

    You can add at least another 1 to the above figures as my membership application went in this morning. I was thinking of doing it whilst I walked the dog along the beach on Saturday afternoon, before I'd head that thousands of other people had had the same idea. I considered the Greens too as I also agree with many of their policies but overall I the SNP is the closest match for me.

     

    The focus now must be on keeping the pressure on the Westminster parties on their 'more devo' promises and ensuring that the SNP increases it's representation at Westminster next May. It will be interesting to see how the Labour vote holds up in Scotland, especially if it looks like the Tories will win another term.

     

    P.S. Somehow I doubt my SNP membership card will turn up within the promised 14 days.

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    I also have secured membership!   However, the figure now I believe stands at 14,000.

    Labour on the other hand welcome 17 new members.   Interesting that a certain newspaper claims that "Unionist Party Memberships Surges Ahead" :rolleyes:

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  • Location: @scotlandwx
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    I also have secured membership!   However, the figure now I believe stands at 14,000.

    Labour on the other hand welcome 17 new members.   Interesting that a certain newspaper claims that "Unionist Party Memberships Surges Ahead" :rolleyes:

     

    Also in the same queue of folks, taking membership to over 40K.. Scottish Greens numbers are up too.

     

    Can't see freezing / slashing Child credit being either endearing or a real vote winner for Labour. Lamont is finished as leader. McWhirter surmising Dugdale up next...

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    Things must be apocalyptic in Scotland if Green party support is rising.

     

    Maybe not quite apocalyptic NBLSB, Patrick Harvie represented himself very well in the leadership debates in the lead up to the referendum. A progressive alternative to those not wishing to nail their colours to the SNP. Would not be surprised to see the Greens overtake the Lib Dems.

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  • Location: Live Thame (Oxfordshire), Work Heathrow Airport
  • Location: Live Thame (Oxfordshire), Work Heathrow Airport

    Maybe not quite apocalyptic NBLSB, Patrick Harvie represented himself very well in the leadership debates in the lead up to the referendum. A progressive alternative to those not wishing to nail their colours to the SNP. Would not be surprised to see the Greens overtake the Lib Dems.

    The greens would have us living back in the dark ages.

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  • Location: Highland Scotland
  • Location: Highland Scotland

    Been helping at a Charity event for local kids over the weekend, plenty of referendum related constitutional talk while doing the setup. YES was in the majority of people helping out, Noes were mostly though not entirely older or retired people, even no voters expressed their surprise at the overall Highland vote.

    Heard a figure of it being just a shade over 58% Yes and just under 42% No for the Inverness City wards (but that might just be on the day, but tallies with what has been mentioned about Inverness being the top YES city had it made it's own declaration).

    The Inverness City vote appears to be diametrically opposed to the Postal Vote for all of the Highland Council which was in favour of No by around 60/40 mark. Would be interesting to know whether the demographic make and time of submission of postal votes as to whether either help explain the difference in postal votes.

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    What does anyone think of the idea about the SNP, Greens and SSP choosing to stand only 1 candidate per seat under the YES Scotland banner on a full DevoMax ticket next May?

    Would it encourage any no and particularly Labour no voters to vote specifically for DevoMax rather than for the SNP as a party?

    Our tears belong to yesterday. It's time to start building today for a better nation tomorrow. Our conversation continues.

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  • Location: Carryduff, County Down 420ft ASL
  • Location: Carryduff, County Down 420ft ASL

    The West Lothian question is irrelevant to Scotland. Devo Max was promised to Scotland, get on with it. Any fallout affecting the RUk is not Scotland's problem. Tory toff millionaires meeting at Chequers to discuss it, will not sit well with Scots.

     

    Anyhow, to lighten the mood, here is a conversation my 76 year old mum had with an 82 year old women on a bus, hopefully this wasn't the mindset of all  No voters:

     

    Mum " What did you vote?"

    Auld Wifie " No"

    Mum "Why?"

    AW "My man couldn't stand Salmond"

    Mum "You voted No because your husband didn't like him!"

    AW " Yes"

    Mum " Im assuming your husband voted No as well then?"

    AW " No, he didn't vote"

    Mum "Why not?"

    AW " He died five years ago!

    Mum "What the f....!!!"

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  • Location: Irlam
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    The West Lothian question is irrelevant to Scotland. Devo Max was promised to Scotland, get on with it. Any fallout affecting the RUk is not Scotland's problem. Tory toff millionaires meeting at Chequers to discuss it, will not sit well with Scots.

    They should get Devo-Max as promised but all I have heard the last few months has been Scotland, Scotland, Scotland.....

    The rest of the UK has had virtually no say in any of this.

    The Scots have had a say on whether they want to stay with the UK, the rest didn't, it was a divorce vote where one partner had all the say and the other nothing.

    The Scots have been given some promise by a former PM without any discussion or consequences of it. No voting mandate by anyone.

    I think it's about time the rest of the constituent members of the UK have their say and have their voices heard, now.

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  • Location: Sth Staffs/Shrops 105m/345' & NW Snowdonia 219m/719'
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    The West Lothian question is irrelevant to Scotland. Devo Max was promised to Scotland, get on with it. Any fallout affecting the RUk is not Scotland's problem. Tory toff millionaires meeting at Chequers to discuss it, will not sit well with Scots.

     

     

     

    Let's not forget the Labour millionaire public school elite as well ...there's plenty of them dragging their electoral knuckles on the ground to protect their seats and hindering the devo-max process.

     

    .... let's keep the argument balanced please. :wink:

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  • Location: Carryduff, County Down 420ft ASL
  • Location: Carryduff, County Down 420ft ASL

    Let's not forget the Labour millionaire public school elite as well ...there's plenty of them dragging their electoral knuckles on the ground to protect their seats and hindering the devo-max process.

     

    .... let's keep the argument balanced please. :wink:

    Very true, I do apologise.

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    Still rising...

     

    If this keeps going, we'll soon be bigger than the UK-wide @LibDems. 16,186 new @theSNP members and counting.

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    Let's not forget the Labour millionaire public school elite as well ...there's plenty of them dragging their electoral knuckles on the ground to protect their seats and hindering the devo-max process.

     

    .... let's keep the argument balanced please. :wink:

    I wonder what the respective percentages (of toffy elitists) the Tories and Labour actually have?

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  • Location: Sth Staffs/Shrops 105m/345' & NW Snowdonia 219m/719'
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    I wonder what the respective percentages (of toffy elitists) the Tories and Labour actually have?

    Obviously more Tories but there are plenty of Champagne socialists.

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/spectator-life/spectator-life-life/9022871/socialist-climbing/

    The Millionaire public school politician isn't a Tory only club which is why I hate the stereotyping generalisations.

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  • Location: Tullynessle/Inverurie
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    Still rising...

     

    If this keeps going, we'll soon be bigger than the UK-wide @LibDems. 16,186 new @theSNP members and counting.

     

    SNP - 25,642 (as of Thu 5pm) + 16,186 (latest Tweet) = 41,828

     

    Lib Dems - 43,451 in 2013 according to Wikipedia

     

    So probably only a couple of thousand short.

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    This raised a chuckle pretty much sums up events..

     

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    These are the front pages of the mirror if Scotland votes yes. Its like I'm traveled from the parallel universe!! :D

     

     

    I drew this myself.

     

     

     

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