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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    Personally i am all for Scotland having fiscal autonomy (minus say 10% for national infrastructure projects and defense) but am actually against you guys making your own laws. Wales is an example of making your own laws being bad, they now have Welsh as compulsory language despite the fact that it will not be spoken outside a 100 mile radius, what a waste of money.

    A different counting system for AMS can be used to reduce the disproportionality. As soon as the SNP won unionists were talking about how to change this to stop them winning again while keeping FPTP for Westminster.... Independence supporting parties actually got got over 50% of the vote where all parties could be chosen from (regional list) with 46% on the constituency (greens and other independence parties not available - if they were, would have been the same here) so in the end, even though the SNP did get more seats than votes (due largely to a huge second vote share that was never expected), nobody could complain there was no mandate for the referendum..

    EDIT. Here you go. John Curtice is an expert (unionist) BTW that the BBC role out all the time, pretending he's impartial..

    http://www.electoral...t2011_FINAL.pdf

    See page 16 onwards for proportionality discussion of AMS.

    "Perhaps one of the most important questions

    raised by the experience of the 2011 election

    is whether action now needs to be taken to

    ensure that Scotland’s electoral system can

    continue to meet the original aspirations and

    expectations of the advocates of devolution"

    That would be that the SNP should never be able to win an election. Oops, too late for that - Scots liked the parliament too much...

    We have our own independent legal system so shall make our own laws thanks. And anyway, if we were fiscally autonomous, then it would only be our own cash we'd be wasting, e.g. with compulsory haggis cooking lessons or similar! http://cdn.nwstatic.co.uk/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.png

    As I've said before, FFA is something I would welcome if it had majorty support. However, if there are two questions on the ballot I'll say yes to both as I don't trust Westminster at all. They've got too much form in repressing democracy (1979 being the classic example), both here and abroad. Likewise, FFA would still mean e.g. WMDs on the Clyde (making Scotland/Glasgow the primary target in addition to one for terrorism) and Scots soldiers coming home in body bags due to wars over oil etc that Scotland does not need; we have more than enough to keep us going with plenty to export until we're all driving around in electric or H2 powered cars charged by renewables... We just hit 35% (target was 31%), well on course for 100% by 2020.

    EDIT, this makes things stand out...

    Last time a party in the UK got 45% of the vote or more was 1970. If the Scottish Election had been FPTP:

    FPTP 53/73 (constituencies won by SNP) = 72.6% of MSPS compared to AMS 69/129 = 53.3% of MSPs

    You can see why Westminster did not want FPTP for Scotland!

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    And that ignorant, offensive, rant sums up exactly why the YES campaign failed  

    Good god. What a load of boarish spiteful bile from bad losers has been posted during the night. I actually dread to think how Scotland would be run if this is representative of how the yes vote behav

    I'm disappointed in the lack of grace shown by some across the net in accepting this No vote. A complete lack of any empathy and understanding as to why fellow Scots didn't vote Yes.   I personally

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    http://www.scotsman....h-snp-1-2221616

    Scottish independence: Dennis Canavan offers to campaign with SNP

    THE former Scottish Labour MP Dennis Canavan has said he will back a “yes†vote in the independence referendum and has offered to campaign alongside the SNP in support of breaking away from the UK.

    Mr Canavan, who was expelled from Labour after 26 years as an MP, also launched a strongly worded attack on his former party, accusing it of promoting the “preservation of the union ahead of social justiceâ€.

    The veteran left-winger told The Scotsman that his long experience at Westminster and eight years as an MSP convinced him that the Scottish Parliament was “more democratic and responsive to the needs†of Scots than the House of Commons.

    Interesting for him to come out so vocally on this. Dennis Canavan is very, very popular among the traditional Labour voters in Scotland who were not keen on 'New Labour'. His dislike for Blairism got him booted out of the party, only to become a hugely successful independent (getting elected by ex-Labour voters who backed him instead).

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  • Location: Maddiston , Falkirk, Scotland 390ft above sea level
  • Location: Maddiston , Falkirk, Scotland 390ft above sea level

    What I really don't understand in all of this is. We have a Scottish Parliament. The majority of parties are pro-independence including the greens and the independents like Margo MacDonald. Yet we have a government in Westminster who have suddenly decided that they want to tell the Scottish people when how and why they will have a referendum. The decision about the date is entirely for the Scottish government to decide as they are the majority. Whether the UK government want to try and question the legality of a referendum held by an elected government is largely irrelevent. The Libs/Cons are actually just standing on the sidelines and going nowhere. When the Scottish government hold the referendum on their terms.The outcome will be decisive in terms of international law. But I suppose this side show helps the London government avoid actually explaining the benefits of a Union 50 years past it's sell by date. Their Union benefit arguments have all been about Scotland becoming a basket case without London control. So far there has not been one positive reason for retaining the union. The cultural argument is not dared to be mentioned because they know the majority of Scots have little or no interest in Britishness. So it all comes down to economics with them. They can largely make up whatever lies and spin they want around this as no -one can prove or disprove this until it happens. That's why we only hear them talking about economics. However countries do not exist because rich people get together to make more money. They exist because the collective identity is so strong that they wish to be independent and express their collective identity without it being submerged,tainted and distorted by the identity of another nation.

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    However countries do not exist because rich people get together to make more money. They exist because the collective identity is so strong that they wish to be independent and express their collective identity without it being submerged,tainted and distorted by the identity of another nation.

    A very complicated example of this is the formation, and eventual disintegration, of Yugoslavia.

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    A very complicated example of this is the formation, and eventual disintegration, of Yugoslavia.

    Yes, he's right though - countries form themselves 'naturally'. If a state is created by 'artificially' joining others together, it will eventually fall apart if the purpose of its creation no longer exists. In the case of the UK, the 'purpose' was empire building. It is hardly surprising that support for the union in Scotland declined almost perfectly in time with the decline of the empire. Nor was it entirely coincidental that the year (arguably) the sun finally set on the Empire when Hong Kong returned to china - 1997 - was the same year 74% of Scots voted to reconvene the Scottish parliament.

    It is what the unionist parties are struggling with - presenting a purpose for the union. There does not seem to be one other than 'because we have been for 300+ years' and some mumblings of 'stronger together' when quite clearly, in terms of international clout (seats/votes in the EU, UN etc) we'd be stronger politically apart but working together.

    So what we are getting right now is just a continuous series of scare stories about how disaster would befall an independent Scotland. Against a positive case for independence put forward by the SNP, greens, independents, SSP etc and even now 'defecting' ex Labour and Tory party people (this has started to happen it seems) the unionist cause looks ultimately lost; something it seems the Tories have now conceded internally.

    On a related note, the Scottish Independence Convention has relaunched:

    http://www.scottishindependenceconvention.org/

    The Scottish Independence Convention is a Cross-Party/no party group whose purpose is to promote Scottish Independence and create a space of co-operation outside the party boundaries.

    Independence will enable the people of Scotland to build a successful society based on our own values and priorities. All we are asking is the right to take our decisions together as a nation.. A genuine Scottish democracy would mean that we would make our choices and accept our responsibilities as other countries do.

    Independence will give us the opportunity to use our land and waters and green energy and oil and, above all, our skilled people to make Scotland more economically successful, environmentally sustainable and socially just. We would no longer be forced to have nuclear weapons based on our soil or to sacrifice lives in costly and destructive wars. We would have our own voice represented in international organisations. We had a long struggle to win the right to have our present Scottish Parliament. This has enabled us to make much better choices than those made at Westminster for education, health, social care and other services but we need to control the rest of the powers on welfare and pensions, industry and employment, taxation, defence and foreign affairs, to enable us to protect our interests and create a fair and progressive society. Independence is the next step - let's take it with confidence.

    "The role of the Scottish Independence Convention has changed. We were founded to deliver a referendum. That battle's now been won. Our role now is to be creative and engage as wide an audience as possible in the discussion about the future of our country and what we mean by sovereignty."

    Elaine C. Smith, Convener.

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  • Location: Camborne
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    Nor was it entirely coincidental that the year (arguably) the sun finally set on the Empire when Hong Kong returned to china - 1997 - was the same year 74% of Scots voted to reconvene the Scottish parliament.

    I think I would probably argue that the sun was just about set on the Empire after we murdered an estimated 200,000 Kikuyu in Kenya. And of course one can't forget the appalling treatment of Ireland and the Home Rule divisions of the 19th century. Gladstone and Parnell; the legacy of which is still with us today.

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    I think I would probably argue that the sun was just about set on the Empire after we murdered an estimated 200,000 Kikuyu in Kenya. And of course one can't forget the appalling treatment of Ireland and the Home Rule divisions of the 19th century. Gladstone and Parnell; the legacy of which is still with us today.

    Aye, a sorry tale. http://en.wikipedia....au_Mau_Uprising

    This a couple of days back in the Guardian makes a not bad summary summary of the 'phoney war' going on at the mo...

    http://www.guardian....n?newsfeed=true

    The phoney war over Scottish independence goes on

    Only one question – a straightforward yes or no to independence – will be asked in the Scottish independence referendum after this course was backed by 0.005% of the electorate.

    Honestly. If I asked more than 46 million people for a view on the most important constitutional issue in recent times and got slightly more responses than my number of followers on Twitter – I'd keep quiet. Instead – and you have to salute his indefatigability – the Scottish secretary trumpeted the result of the government's newly published consultation.....

    The truth is most Scots now expect a referendum in 2014 – the Unionist parties (Lib Dem and Labour) have begun lengthy internal processes to formulate new devolution policy, which makes 2014 a pretty reasonable date for them too. This is a phoney war.

    The question about questions will be resolved when Labour and Lib Dem politicians have rediscovered their nerve and the Scottish people are good and ready. That's not now. So a message to Messrs Moore and Cameron – in the words of that oft-quoted constitutional campaigner, Michael Winner, "Calm down, dears".

    Last count, as noted earlier, was 12000 respones to Holyrood compared to 3000 for Westminser for respective, 'competing' consultations. Those relative figures tell you all you need to know in terms of the the way the wind is blowing.

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    Totally unrelated, but to finish on a cheerful note, here's some pics of the recent Scottish 10k run in NYC. Saltires invade central park! http://www.nyrr.org/run-with-us/scotland-run-10k

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  • Location: Burntwood, Staffs
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    Yes, he's right though - countries form themselves 'naturally'. If a state is created by 'artificially' joining others together, it will eventually fall apart if the purpose of its creation no longer exists. In the case of the UK, the 'purpose' was empire building. It is hardly surprising that support for the union in Scotland declined almost perfectly in time with the decline of the empire. Nor was it entirely coincidental that the year (arguably) the sun finally set on the Empire when Hong Kong returned to china - 1997 - was the same year 74% of Scots voted to reconvene the Scottish parliament.

    It is what the unionist parties are struggling with - presenting a purpose for the union. There does not seem to be one other than 'because we have been for 300+ years' and some mumblings of 'stronger together' when quite clearly, in terms of international clout (seats/votes in the EU, UN etc) we'd be stronger politically apart but working together.

    So what we are getting right now is just a continuous series of scare stories about how disaster would befall an independent Scotland. Against a positive case for independence put forward by the SNP, greens, independents, SSP etc and even now 'defecting' ex Labour and Tory party people (this has started to happen it seems) the unionist cause looks ultimately lost; something it seems the Tories have now conceded internally.

    On a related note, the Scottish Independence Convention has relaunched:

    http://www.scottishi...convention.org/

    The Scottish Independence Convention is a Cross-Party/no party group whose purpose is to promote Scottish Independence and create a space of co-operation outside the party boundaries.

    Independence will enable the people of Scotland to build a successful society based on our own values and priorities. All we are asking is the right to take our decisions together as a nation.. A genuine Scottish democracy would mean that we would make our choices and accept our responsibilities as other countries do.

    Independence will give us the opportunity to use our land and waters and green energy and oil and, above all, our skilled people to make Scotland more economically successful, environmentally sustainable and socially just. We would no longer be forced to have nuclear weapons based on our soil or to sacrifice lives in costly and destructive wars. We would have our own voice represented in international organisations. We had a long struggle to win the right to have our present Scottish Parliament. This has enabled us to make much better choices than those made at Westminster for education, health, social care and other services but we need to control the rest of the powers on welfare and pensions, industry and employment, taxation, defence and foreign affairs, to enable us to protect our interests and create a fair and progressive society. Independence is the next step - let's take it with confidence.

    "The role of the Scottish Independence Convention has changed. We were founded to deliver a referendum. That battle's now been won. Our role now is to be creative and engage as wide an audience as possible in the discussion about the future of our country and what we mean by sovereignty."

    Elaine C. Smith, Convener.

    Sounds like you're describing the EU there.

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    Sounds like you're describing the EU there.

    Yes, a fair analogy in ways. The EU has a purpose, but that seems to have been somewhat lost by it being rushed headlong into without people thinking of the implications, notably with respect to the Euro.

    I guess the difference is that the Scottish government is offering the people of Scotland a choice as to the future of their status in the UK Union, while the British government is not offering the people of the UK a choice on Europe. What makes it worse is that Scotland, per capita, has much lower representation in the EU than countries of comparable size and in terms of the UK goverment influence, no representation at all really.

    In the pro-independence camp, there is a large section of people who would advocate leaving the EU and being a member of the e.g. EFTA; something akin to the Norway model. Of course to have any say on this, people need to vote for independence as such choices are not available within the UK Union.

    In Scotland, we have far too many layers of government. I'd like to get rid of one, possibly two. The obvious one to retain is the one representative of Scotland's population. This would of course stop Scots MPs being foisted on the neighbours (WLQ) - something I and the SNP wholly disagree with, and I imagine lots of the neighbours too. http://cdn.nwstatic.co.uk/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.png

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  • Location: Camborne
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    This has caused some mutterings.

    It’ll cost you

    Scottish independence would come at a high price

    IN 1698 the nobles and landowners of the Kingdom of Scotland tried to elevate their country to a world trading nation by colonising the isthmus of Panama. The Darien scheme failed and nearly bankrupted the country. Within a decade Scotland had signed an Act of Union with England to create the United Kingdom of Great Britain. Scots found it tough in the 18th century to be a small nation in a globalising world. But nationalists are an optimistic bunch, and they would dearly like to have another go.

    In two years’ time the people of Scotland will be asked whether they want to become an independent sovereign state. It is not often that a 300-year-old union is broken, so the vote will have ramifications far beyond a land of 5m people. Scottish independence could lead to a break-up of the United Kingdom. The Catalans, among other disaffected European groups, see Scottish independence as a harbinger of their own bid for nationhood. Other diverse nation-states watch, and worry.

    http://www.economist.com/node/21552564

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    This has caused some mutterings.

    It’ll cost you

    Scottish independence would come at a high price

    IN 1698 the nobles and landowners of the Kingdom of Scotland tried to elevate their country to a world trading nation by colonising the isthmus of Panama. The Darien scheme failed and nearly bankrupted the country. Within a decade Scotland had signed an Act of Union with England to create the United Kingdom of Great Britain. Scots found it tough in the 18th century to be a small nation in a globalising world. But nationalists are an optimistic bunch, and they would dearly like to have another go.

    In two years’ time the people of Scotland will be asked whether they want to become an independent sovereign state. It is not often that a 300-year-old union is broken, so the vote will have ramifications far beyond a land of 5m people. Scottish independence could lead to a break-up of the United Kingdom. The Catalans, among other disaffected European groups, see Scottish independence as a harbinger of their own bid for nationhood. Other diverse nation-states watch, and worry.

    http://www.economist.com/node/21552564

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    I was over the moon to see that - we have the local elections coming up and this is going to give the SNP/independence cause a big boost - been spreading fast.

    http://www.guardian....ntland-scotland

    Alex Salmond: Economist will rue 'Skintland' jibe at Scotland

    The Scottish National party leader said the front cover displays a sort of "Bullingdon Club humour" of "sneering condescensions".

    "It just insults every single community in Scotland," he told Radio Clyde. "This is how they really regard Scotland. This is unionism boiled down to its essence and stuck on a front page for every community in Scotland to see their sneering condescensions. "They shall rue the day they thought they'd have a joke at Scotland's expense."

    And he's right...a bunch of Tory toff banker types in London calling Scotland 'Skintland' is not going to do wonders for support for the union.

    The economist article is also a few true points mixed in with a lot of guff. Notice something rather obvious missing from their thoughts on Scotland's balance books? Never mind them knowing nothing about the oil industry. To be honest, I was shocked at the low standard of it for what is supposed to be a quality publication.

    You can smell the fear.

    EDIT and I see Thurso is called 'Thursty'. Aye, well who canny organise a water supply in a temperate maritime country (goes out tae water the garden freely with as much water as he likes...). Give us a call when the lights go out and we'll send you some more power too...

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    Yes my thoughts were that it would harden opinion north of the border. I was going to post the Guardian link but you have saved me the bother.Posted Image

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    You didn't see this?

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    I was over the moon to see that - we have the local elections coming up and this is going to give the SNP/independence cause a big boost - been spreading fast.

    http://www.guardian....ntland-scotland

    Alex Salmond: Economist will rue 'Skintland' jibe at Scotland

    The Scottish National party leader said the front cover displays a sort of "Bullingdon Club humour" of "sneering condescensions".

    "It just insults every single community in Scotland," he told Radio Clyde. "This is how they really regard Scotland. This is unionism boiled down to its essence and stuck on a front page for every community in Scotland to see their sneering condescensions. "They shall rue the day they thought they'd have a joke at Scotland's expense."

    And he's right...a bunch of Tory toff banker types in London calling Scotland 'Skintland' is not going to do wonders for support for the union.

    The economist article is also a few true points mixed in with a lot of guff. Notice something rather obvious missing from their thoughts on Scotland's balance books? Never mind them knowing nothing about the oil industry. To be honest, I was shocked at the low standard of it for what is supposed to be a quality publication.

    You can smell the fear.

    EDIT and I see Thurso is called 'Thursty'. Aye, well who canny organise a water supply in a temperate maritime country (goes out tae water the garden freely with as much water as he likes...). Give us a call when the lights go out and we'll send you some more power too...

    You can smell the fear, the fear of many rational Scots that Independence will lead to relative poverty for those living in Scotland. The Economist raised some very serious points and, while the humour may have been a little clumsy, these points need to be properly addressed. Unfortunately Alex Salmond's comments didn't answer any of the important questions. All he did was to claim that everyone at the Economist is a toff and is desperate to maintain the Union.

    As I have said before, most English people don't care whether Scotland has Independence or are quite happy for it to happen. There is no Unionist movement in England.

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    You can smell the fear, the fear of many rational Scots that Independence will lead to relative poverty for those living in Scotland.

    . There is no Unionist movement in England.

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    Yes, there are many that sadly still fall for it. If they all worked in the energy industry - like me - they would not be at all. The thing is, if Scotland is an economic basket case, then is that not a reason for immeadiate independence surely? I mean if being in the union = basket case economy then best get out quick?

    What is the UK debt btw (I think it is one of the worst in the world per capita? http://static7.busin...000030/debt.jpg) and when did it last balance the books? Scotland balanced them every year with a nice wee surplus bar the peak of the recession in 2009-10 according to ONS/GERS. Westminster politics is screwing it up for us all, north and south of the border.

    What is the Conservative and Unionist party then? Should they not change their name if they don't support the union (at least openly, although I know some have seen the writing on the wall)? The other parties supporting the union are the British Labour party and the Liberal democrats. Yes, I imagine most good people in England wish Scotland well - just as Scots wish them the same - and have no issues with Scottish independence. Why should they? It seems those they are voting for are not so keen on it though, but that's not their fault as they don't seem to have a lot of options - tie colour seems to be the main difference.

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    EDT. An interest response to the economist article from Gerry Hassan here:

    http://www.gerryhassan.com/blog/the-future-has-been-pre-ordinated-scotland-and-the-uk-according-to-the-free-market-revolutionaries/

    I don't agree with all of his musings, but this one hits the spot well.

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    Hi Coram

    Yes, there are many that sadly still fall for it. If they all worked in the energy industry - like me - they would not be at all. The thing is, if Scotland is an economic basket case, then is that not a reason for immeadiate independence surely? I mean if being in the union = basket case economy then best get out quick?

    What is the UK debt btw (I think it is one of the worst in the world per capita? http://static7.busin...000030/debt.jpg) and when did it last balance the books? Scotland balanced them every year with a nice wee surplus bar the peak of the recession in 2009-10 according to ONS/GERS. Westminster politics is screwing it up for us all, north and south of the border.

    What is the Conservative and Unionist party then? Should they not change their name if they don't support the union (at least openly, although I know some have seen the writing on the wall)? The other parties supporting the union are the British Labour party and the Liberal democrats. Yes, I imagine most good people in England wish Scotland well - just as Scots wish them the same - and have no issues with Scottish independence. Why should they? It seems those they are voting for are not so keen on it though, but that's not their fault as they don't seem to have a lot of options - tie colour seems to be the main difference.

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    EDT. An interest response to the economist article from Gerry Hassan here:

    http://www.gerryhass...evolutionaries/

    I don't agree with all of his musings, but this one hits the spot well.

    I rather liked this although I'm not sure I would absolutely agree with it,

    ‘The Economist’ version of the UK is based on an outsourced, privately run NHS, a privately financed education system, universities in the hands of global winners and elites, privatised law enforcement, the Royal Mail sold off, the world’s oligarchs using London as their playground and the leading tax havens of the global economy centred around the Crown Dependencies, which while linked to the UK are constitutionally not part of it. This is a dystopia of Orwellian proportions, of the illusion of the autonomous, self-governing, sovereign individual, and in reality, of anxiety, doubt, constant unpredictability and not surprisingly, a renaissance in organised crime and the shadow economy.

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    You didn't see this?

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    I was over the moon to see that - we have the local elections coming up and this is going to give the SNP/independence cause a big boost - been spreading fast.

    http://www.guardian....ntland-scotland

    Alex Salmond: Economist will rue 'Skintland' jibe at Scotland

    The Scottish National party leader said the front cover displays a sort of "Bullingdon Club humour" of "sneering condescensions".

    "It just insults every single community in Scotland," he told Radio Clyde. "This is how they really regard Scotland. This is unionism boiled down to its essence and stuck on a front page for every community in Scotland to see their sneering condescensions. "They shall rue the day they thought they'd have a joke at Scotland's expense."

    And he's right...a bunch of Tory toff banker types in London calling Scotland 'Skintland' is not going to do wonders for support for the union.

    The economist article is also a few true points mixed in with a lot of guff. Notice something rather obvious missing from their thoughts on Scotland's balance books? Never mind them knowing nothing about the oil industry. To be honest, I was shocked at the low standard of it for what is supposed to be a quality publication.

    You can smell the fear.

    EDIT and I see Thurso is called 'Thursty'. Aye, well who canny organise a water supply in a temperate maritime country (goes out tae water the garden freely with as much water as he likes...). Give us a call when the lights go out and we'll send you some more power too...

    You can smell the fear.

    Ha ha ha

    Don't concern yourself.

    I'm sure we've got just as many people who spend most of their "working" hours on the internet as you have.

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    You can smell the fear.

    Ha ha ha

    Don't concern yourself.

    I'm sure we've got just as many people who spend most of their "working" hours on the internet as you have.

    Good employers let their staff use the internet to have fun on their breaks/let them take their breaks whenever they wish. Like mine (both in fact as in addition to my day job, I started a company on top of that with colleagues). It is unproductive companies which can't attract good staff that need to impose restrictions on such things.

    And it is the fear of those in power losing a chunk of that power that I refer too; nothing more. You should see some of our unionist politicians and lords. Positively sweating at prospect of their cushy slot at the trough being snatched away.

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    I can use the internet all day should I choose.

    I pay for it myself by way of my mobile phone bill.

    I don't expect my employer to stand the expense, it's unproductive and costly.

    I've learned something at least.

    It seems only Unionist politicians and Lords have a cushy slot at the trough.

    I thought it was all of them.

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    I can use the internet all day should I choose.

    I pay for it myself by way of my mobile phone bill.

    I don't expect my employer to stand the expense, it's unproductive and costly.

    I've learned something at least.

    It seems only Unionist politicians and Lords have a cushy slot at the trough.

    I thought it was all of them.

    I've found the opposite - if I trust my staff, let them come and go as they please, use the internet as they please - they are far more productive. The small cost of letting them use the internet here and there is far outweighed by the benefits it brings. As long as the report is on my desk by the due date and is up to standard, I don't care how and when they do it. So long as Saudi Aramco, Shell, Total, Statoil keep coming back and asking for more and more work and my staff are happy, why should I change things? Certainly, some of the most successful companies in the world use such approaches. Like I said, if you can only afford crap, untrustworthy staff, then you are not a successful company and need to look at where you are going wrong.

    Well, the party I support which sends MPs to Westminster does not have any lords in its ranks, was not tainted by the expenses scandal etc, and its HoC MPs are working furiously to put themselves out of a job. Not a single Eton toff among them. In fact, their party leader has a similar background to me... State school, good uni, worked in one of Scotlands big industries. Certainly has a lot more in common with me than Dave, Ed, or Nick who seem to know little to nothing about the country I live in.

    Now, back to my report on KHI deployment strategy for the XXX field....

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    http://www.northern-...cs-13042012.htm

    Row over Tory's split vote tactics

    THE Tory party has come under heavy fire over the candidate they have fielded in the North West and Sutherland ward for the forthcoming local authority elections.

    Local businessman Alex Dickson, who runs Achin’s Bookshop at Inverkirkaig, is scathing in his summing up of candidate Les Mason.

    He says Mr Mason is nearing 90, does not even live in the ward, has no intention of campaigning and doesn’t stand a chance of winning the election.

    But what has annoyed Mr Dickson so much is that he believes Mr Mason does stand a very good chance of splitting the vote.

    He said: "I think it’s ridiculous and pretty appalling that one of the major political parties should be putting up a candidate like Mr Mason.

    "They are just putting up anyone they can because they are an established party and cannot be seen to not be represented. All it is, is a name and that’s nonsense."

    Meanwhile an unperturbed Mr Mason has agreed with everything Mr Dickson says – apart from the fact he is 87 rather than 90 – and candidly revealed that he is playing his part in a country-wide Tory strategy to split votes and keep the SNP out following their landslide Holyrood victory in 2011.

    ...And he was quite frank about his candidature. He said: "Someone in Edinburgh at the top of the party phoned me up and asked if I would like to help them out. I emphasised I would – but only if they could guarantee that I would not win!"

    Tories are fielding candidates who do not wish to be councillors just in the hope of splitting the vote so reducing the chance of the SNP winning. Really are a pathetic excuse for a party.

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    EDIT. And here's the BBC instructing its journalists how to handle the independence debate etc impartially. Or maybe it's 'Anti-SNP/Salmond/Scottish independence tactics 101'?

    http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=IepO9cnIk-w

    Andrew Neil clearly hates the fact he's a Jock - will they still want him in London if Scotland is independent? Brain Labour, sorry Taylor is not much better.

    Darien Scheme obviously very relevant to the current debate....

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    EDIT. UK government dissaproval ratings in Scotland at new highs. Averages for April:

    Scotland:

    Diss = 72 App = 16 NET = -56

    UK

    Diss = 57 App = 27 NET = -30

    Only 16% of Scots think Dave and Nick are doing a decent job. Ooch. Roll on May 3rd!

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    Some info on candidate numbers for May elections:

    Change in number of candidates standing relative to 2007:

    SNP +176

    Lab - 24

    Con -17

    Libs -84

    Ind -135

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    Allan Massie: Incompetent architects of their own downfall

    Is she waving goodbye?

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    AN obvious lack of any aspiration leaves the Labour Party in Scotland on the threshold of another defeat

    The indications are that Labour will take another hammering in the council elections and may lose control of Glasgow and even of North Lanarkshire. This would be remarkable if it was surprising, but it isn’t. Some Labour activists may explain it away as the consequence of Jack McConnell’s weak surrender to his Liberal Democrat coalition partners, who demanded that proportional representation replace the first-past-the-post system for local government elections. No doubt there is something in this. Others may regard it as just punishment for the party’s incompetence and corruption in local government and, again, this may well be the case.

    Yet the causes of Labour’s decline and fall from its self-proclaimed status as “Scotland’s party†go deeper. They go back to its commitment to devolution, and what followed when the 1997 referendum ensured that there would be a Scottish Parliament.

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/allan-massie-incompetent-architects-of-their-own-downfall-1-2239241

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    Allan Massie: Incompetent architects of their own downfall

    Is she waving goodbye?

    Yes, Labour are really falling apart up here. Their own (ex)members are saying the SNP are better...

    Eddie Carrick (Clackmannanshire Lab-Ind) – who had been in the Party for 36 years – left Labour, and has claimed that the SNP has been a ‘revelation’ since taking control in January 2012, and “it would be a crying shame if Labour got back in because they made a mess of it in the years they were there.â€

    Eddie Phillips (East Renfrewshire Lab-Ind) - "Labour is not lazy. Complacent, yes, indifferent to people’s needs, looks like it, divided, unquestionably. Lazy, no, because they are so panic-stricken that they are frenetically thrashing about seeing how to stop the tide of SNP and Glasgow Labour/Independents."

    Douglas Campbell (South Ayrshire Lab-SNP – George Foulkes’ former election agent) - praised “the dedication of the local SNP group and SNP Government in delivering positive measures for the communities of north Ayrâ€

    Irfan Rabanni (Glasgow Lab-SNP) "The simple fact is that Labour has been in power for too long in Glasgow and has become complacent. There is too little transparency in the way Labour is run and that can also be true of the administration in Glasgow. It can also seem that they think picking fights with the SNP government is more important than standing up for the city.â€

    In Dumfries and Galloway, two well-known Labour councillors Wille Scobie (2011 Labour SP candidate for Galloway & West Dumfries) and Grahame Forster abandoned Labour in the last few weeks and are standing as ‘no description’, after refusing to sign Labour’s controversial ‘candidates’ code of conduct’.

    Labour also have two former Scottish Parliamentary candidates in the Western Isles standing as independents – Donald Crichton and Donald John McSween.

    http://newsnetscotla...onceding-defeat

    Johann Lamont is Ed's choice and London have been deselecting like mad across Scotland to put their favoured people in the running. Of course that's not the people favoured by local party members nor the electorate most of the time. People can see it is not Scottish Labour, but rather is run by those whose only interest is the palace of Westminster and it's riches/power/privilege, not Scotland.

    No doubt the SNP will make big gains on May 3rd, it just remains to be seen how big. Turnout will be a major factor - I'd hope/imagine SNP voters are going to be motivated to go out and vote. Conversely, the fact that the other parties are struggling to get people to stand (all are putting foward less candidates than last time compared to the SNP putting 176 more) does not bode well for their voters showing support.

    If the results of May 11 are equaled/bested, then this will really get the ball rolling and we are likely to see the unionists become even more vocally negative/launching silly attacks on independence all of which are actually promoting it.

    The old arguments are not working anymore - even those who in the past would have said 'Independence - no way, that's crazy. Would never vote for it' are now saying 'Ok, I'm listening - tell me more'.

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    EDIT and some unrelated but good news...

    Unemployment has fallen back to 8.1% (UK down a tad too at 8.3%). Hopefully that continues.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-17747035

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    Ok, I've found the perfect, non political party person to lead the pro-union case.

    British historian David Starkey. The guy is top notch.

    TV historian compares Alex Salmond to Adolf Hitler

    http://www.scotsman....itler-1-2244349

    The controversial academic also argued that, for the SNP leader “the English, like the Jews, are everywhereâ€.

    “If you think about it, Alex Salmond is a democratic Caledonian Hitler, although some would say Hitler was more democratically elected,†he aded, speaking during a debate in London earlier this week.

    I must admit I'd never thought about it, but a comment on the article noted the eminent Scottish-Jewish scholar David Daiches states in his autobiographical Two Worlds: An Edinburgh Jewish Childhood that there are grounds for saying that Scotland is the only European country which has no history of state persecution of Jews.

    http://en.wikipedia....ews_in_Scotland

    Anyhow, come on David, lead the fight against the Scottish Nazi Party. Your country needs you! Posted Image

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