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  • Location: Gilesgate Moor, Durham City
  • Location: Gilesgate Moor, Durham City

    Someone had mentioned Whitehall were briefed today on convening parliament on Saturday! They would only do that after a yes vote. So to me it means they have been briefed that there is a real chance of a yes vote!

    Well, we've all seen the polls... why are you surprised? It's as plain as day that there is a real chance of a YES vote. Both results are almost equally possible.

    ... and Survation 53% NO 47% YES

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    And that ignorant, offensive, rant sums up exactly why the YES campaign failed  

    Good god. What a load of boarish spiteful bile from bad losers has been posted during the night. I actually dread to think how Scotland would be run if this is representative of how the yes vote behav

    I'm disappointed in the lack of grace shown by some across the net in accepting this No vote. A complete lack of any empathy and understanding as to why fellow Scots didn't vote Yes.   I personally

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  • Location: Stoke Gifford, Bristol
  • Location: Stoke Gifford, Bristol

    YouGov:

    Excluding don't knows (6% in this survey), the figures are the same as in our last poll six days ago: No 52%, Yes 48%.

    A significant gender gap has persisted to the end. If only men had the vote, Scotland would choose independence by 54-46%. However, women prefer to remain in the United Kingdom by a larger 57-43% margin.

    YouGov questioned 3,237 electors between 15 and 17 September. This is by far the largest poll conducted during the referendum campaign.

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  • Location: Purley, Surrey - 246 Ft ASL
  • Weather Preferences: January 1987 / July 2006
  • Location: Purley, Surrey - 246 Ft ASL

    Someone had mentioned Whitehall were briefed today on convening parliament on Saturday! They would only do that after a yes vote. So to me it means they have been briefed that there is a real chance of a yes vote!

    They would brief for both scenarios. It makes sense to have a plan b - just as AS has a plan a, b, c, d and e for the currency issue.

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  • Location: Sth Staffs/Shrops 105m/345' & NW Snowdonia 219m/719'
  • Location: Sth Staffs/Shrops 105m/345' & NW Snowdonia 219m/719'

     

    its very pertinent to this thread after all its one of the issues of the campaign and probably the biggest issue

     

    what we pay currently in NI is vastly less than what we would pay for health insurance so I think we do the better why would you want to control your own money like that knowing you were losing out big style and being fleeced for something that should cost a lot less under government hands while big companies suck everyone dry.

     

    Not true.. NI is invariably greater than Health Insurance . Additionally companies pay c 13.8% NI over and above the lower earnings limit.

     

    NI has long since lost it's identity as a means to finance NHS and Pensions and has been used as a Stealth Tax initially and increasingly so by Gordon Brown as Chancellor in the Nu-Labour years.

     

    There is now talk of a separate NHS tax.... but we are going a bit off topic now.

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  • Location: Stoke Gifford, Bristol
  • Location: Stoke Gifford, Bristol

    If I may add my  guess to others.

     

     YES 44% NO 56 % .

    I dare not guess this eve, as last week whilst on hols in Portugal i posted in this thread that it would be 54% No, 46% Yes.....i was quickly told my guess was rubbish and told to "Go and do some research".

    So i'll keep my updated No/Yes prediction to myself this eve.

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  • Location: Maddiston , Falkirk, Scotland 390ft above sea level
  • Location: Maddiston , Falkirk, Scotland 390ft above sea level

    Burnt 54% yes 46% no for me.

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  • Location: Now moved to tropical Bradford on Avon
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  • Location: Now moved to tropical Bradford on Avon

    Here's an interesting question...

    What do we call our island if it is a yes vote?

    Will it no longer be an island as we will border another country? What happens to the British isles?

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  • Location: Kingdom of Fife: 56.2º N, 3.2º W
  • Location: Kingdom of Fife: 56.2º N, 3.2º W

     

     

     

    Not true.. NI is invariably greater than Health Insurance . Additionally companies pay c 13.8% NI over and above the lower earnings limit.

     

    NI has long since it's identity as a means to finance NHS and Pensions and has been used as a Stealth Tax initially and increasingly so by Gordon Brown as Chancellor in the Nu-Labour years.

     

    There is now talk of a separate NHS tax.... but we are going a bit off topic now.

     

    That is exactly the problem;  NI contributions go into the overall tax pot, they are not ring fenced. Exactly the same with road excise duty - it all goes in the pot and successive governments divide it up according to their dogma.

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  • Location: Clayton-Le-Woods, Chorley 59m asl.
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  • Location: Clayton-Le-Woods, Chorley 59m asl.

    Here's an interesting question...

    What do we call our island if it is a yes vote?

     

    United Kingdom of England, Wales and Northern Ireland.

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  • Location: Kingdom of Fife: 56.2º N, 3.2º W
  • Location: Kingdom of Fife: 56.2º N, 3.2º W

    Give it a few years, it'll be the United Kingdom of Scotland :yahoo:

     

    England will be that little place somewhere within the M25

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  • Location: Derbyshire Peak District South Pennines Middleton & Smerrill Tops 305m (1001ft) asl.
  • Location: Derbyshire Peak District South Pennines Middleton & Smerrill Tops 305m (1001ft) asl.

    Here's an interesting question...

    What do we call our island if it is a yes vote?

    Will it no longer be an island as we will border another country? What happens to the British isles?

     

    Yes even the maps will be re-written.

     

    On a lighter note.. http://metro.co.uk/2014/09/16/scottish-border-agency-pranksters-erect-mock-passport-control-and-checkpoint-on-scotland-border-4870833/

     

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  • Location: Evesham, Worcs, Albion
  • Location: Evesham, Worcs, Albion

    Here's an interesting question...

    What do we call our island if it is a yes vote?

    Will it no longer be an island as we will border another country? What happens to the British isles?

    Britain (or Great Britain) or Albion/Alba.

    it doesnt matter if our land has one political division, or two or ten. 

    The British Isles are a geographical entity and the British people an ethnic entity.   Petty political divisons change nothing.

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  • Location: Sunderland
  • Weather Preferences: Hot Summer, Snowy winter and thunderstorms all year round!
  • Location: Sunderland

    Here's an interesting question...

    What do we call our island if it is a yes vote?

    Will it no longer be an island as we will border another country? What happens to the British isles?

    The Artist Formerly Known as the UK?

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  • Location: Peterborough
  • Weather Preferences: Snow and frost in the winter. Hot and sunny, thunderstorms in the summer.
  • Location: Peterborough

    United States of Albion...... because Westminster loves America  :doh:

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  • Location: Tornado Alley, west London
  • Location: Tornado Alley, west London

    Here's an interesting question...

    What do we call our island if it is a yes vote?

    Will it no longer be an island as we will border another country? What happens to the British isles?

    The island would still be called Britain, and still be an island. The British Isles would still be called the British Isles. Great Britain, I think, is the British Isles minus Ireland. Those are geographical designations, not political. Doubtless there are civil servants somewhere scratching their heads about what to call the UK-minus-Scotland and what to do with the flag. 

     

     

    As someone of Irish descent, I understand your desire for self-governance, but hope that the result is a no. Both sides of the border would be poorer (not in the narrow economic sense) if the vote was a yes, IMO.

     

    Whatever, go out and vote. As our elderly next-door-neighbour (old enough to remember the sufragettes) used to tell my mother, women died to give you the right to vote. You owe it to them to do so. The same goes for men. Voting is both a right and a duty. 

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  • Location: Sunderland
  • Weather Preferences: Hot Summer, Snowy winter and thunderstorms all year round!
  • Location: Sunderland

    god, a mate just posted on facebook....

     

     

    "Bloody tories better do something to sort out immigration....don't want those Jock asylum seekers jumping the border and nicking our jobs and dole handouts when it goes pear shaped up north...."

     

    oh dear!  :bomb:

     

    he is joking by the way.......I think!

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  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

    Someone had mentioned Whitehall were briefed today on convening parliament on Saturday! They would only do that after a yes vote. So to me it means they have been briefed that there is a real chance of a yes vote!

     

    I don't think even those educated at Eton would require a brief to appraise them of that possibilty.

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  • Location: Clayton-Le-Woods, Chorley 59m asl.
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  • Location: Clayton-Le-Woods, Chorley 59m asl.

    Scotland's full name probably be Kingdom Of Scotland or Commonwealth of Scotland if gets independence.

     

    For example: Commonwealth Of Canada, Commonwealth of Australia, etc.

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  • Location: Maddiston , Falkirk, Scotland 390ft above sea level
  • Location: Maddiston , Falkirk, Scotland 390ft above sea level

    I can't get over the irony of Gordon Brown saying its my flag while standing next to a union flag. Someone should explain the flag of Scotland is the Saltire. The point they miss is that most Scots don't like the union flag. Brown is standing for one flag and Salmond the other.

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  • Location: Derbyshire Peak District South Pennines Middleton & Smerrill Tops 305m (1001ft) asl.
  • Location: Derbyshire Peak District South Pennines Middleton & Smerrill Tops 305m (1001ft) asl.

    Great Independent headline for tomorrow "The 307 Year Itch". For those not watching News24..

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