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  • Location: Maddiston , Falkirk, Scotland 390ft above sea level
  • Location: Maddiston , Falkirk, Scotland 390ft above sea level

    Did anyone watch Question Time from St Andrews last night. Janet Street Porter sounded like an unneducated , ignorant fool when talking about the constitution. It was playground stuff really just a waste of time her being on the show! The answer no-one gave which should have been. Is that I want independence because I don't feel British I feel Scottish. I reckon there are at least 35%-40% who would agree with that. However the media want to talk about crude things like money as if it's a business decision. That is not what being a nation is ever about.

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    And that ignorant, offensive, rant sums up exactly why the YES campaign failed  

    Good god. What a load of boarish spiteful bile from bad losers has been posted during the night. I actually dread to think how Scotland would be run if this is representative of how the yes vote behav

    I'm disappointed in the lack of grace shown by some across the net in accepting this No vote. A complete lack of any empathy and understanding as to why fellow Scots didn't vote Yes.   I personally

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    http://www.toryhoose...readers-survey/

    Ruth Davidson's honeymoon is over....

    Her rating among her own party supporters has dropped a little shall we say.

    Ruth Davidson 4.8% (-77.3)

    Reminds me of this:

    Writing in the Scotland on Sunday newspaper on 25 September 2011, Kenny Farquharson wrote: "I have a theory and it boils down to this: if Murdo Fraser loses his fight to be leader of the Scottish Tories, Scotland will become an independent country by 2016."

    But of course Ruth was Dave's choice, and he's really got his finger on the pulse of Scottish Politics....

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    EDIT. with respect to unexplored regions/future oil and gas developments on the Scottish Atlantic margin.

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/business/oil-discovery-could-attract-big-business-187000.html

    Oil discovery could attract big business

    1800 bpd in test off Cork.

    Oh dear Ireland, what a burden that would be....the volatility of prices means its not good to have oil as a source of revenue, so we Scots have been told. http://cdn.nwstatic.co.uk/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.png

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  • Location: Maddiston , Falkirk, Scotland 390ft above sea level
  • Location: Maddiston , Falkirk, Scotland 390ft above sea level

    http://www.toryhoose...readers-survey/

    Ruth Davidson's honeymoon is over....

    Her rating among her own party supporters has dropped a little shall we say.

    Ruth Davidson 4.8% (-77.3)

    Reminds me of this:

    Writing in the Scotland on Sunday newspaper on 25 September 2011, Kenny Farquharson wrote: "I have a theory and it boils down to this: if Murdo Fraser loses his fight to be leader of the Scottish Tories, Scotland will become an independent country by 2016."

    But of course Ruth was Dave's choice, and he's really got his finger on the pulse of Scottish Politics....

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    EDIT. with respect to unexplored regions/future oil and gas developments on the Scottish Atlantic margin.

    http://www.irishexam...ess-187000.html

    Oil discovery could attract big business

    1800 bpd in test off Cork.

    http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkVvmyCiFu4

    Oh dear Ireland, what a burden that would be....the volatility of prices means its not good to have oil as a source of revenue, so we Scots have been told. http://cdn.nwstatic.co.uk/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.png

    Yes but what I find more amazing. When you talk to some Scot's they have been that brainwashed by the unionists that they just can't accept oil as a gift horse for an independent country like Scotland. The other small country with oil in Europe is Norway...Guess what they are the 4th richest country in the world- Rank Country Intl. $ 1 Posted ImageQatar 102,891 2 Posted ImageLuxembourg 84,829 3 Posted ImageSingapore 59,936 4 Posted ImageNorway

    53,376

    But guess what Scotland with only 5 million people/massive oil reserves/wind power capital of Europe/most famous and worldwide drink Scotch Whisky/tourism. Would colapse and die without uncle UK. If this was presented as a case study in Economics it would be laughed out of the classroom.

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  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

    Having just watched the quite interesting documentary on BBC2 How God Made the English I'm beginning to understand the increasing support for the Scottish Independece movement. They simply want a break from the Chosen People. http://cdn.nwstatic.co.uk/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.png

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    Having just watched the quite interesting documentary on BBC2 How God Made the English I'm beginning to understand the increasing support for the Scottish Independece movement. They simply want a break from the Chosen People. http://cdn.nwstatic.co.uk/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.png

    LOL. you mean this?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00q4gl3

    The better half is watching a recorded episode of 'The mentalist'; I don't get control of the telly until at least 11 pm.

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    LOL. you mean this?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk...rammes/p00q4gl3

    The better half is watching a recorded episode of 'The mentalist'; I don't get control of the telly until at least 11 pm.

    That's the one one. The section on the Somme as described in the Radio Times was quite moving. I found the programme very interesting.

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    That's the one one. The section on the Somme as described in the Radio Times was quite moving. I found the programme very interesting.

    It was even on BBC Two Scotland according to the schedule. I'm sure in homes across the highlands whole families were gathered together in worship.... http://cdn.nwstatic.co.uk/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.png

    Nice to know my licence fee is being spent on good local programme making (Scots pay £375 million, BBC Scotland gets £175 million back), although to be honest, having this on at peak time was probably well worth the money! Available on iplayer now. I might give it a watch if I have time out of interest.

    Interesting article in the [Tory] NorthBritishman this morning.

    Duncan Hamilton: Labour losing its grip as SNP takes on mantle of the people’s party

    IS THE SNP now “the people’s party� The suggestion will enrage Labour activists who valiantly hold to the traditional view that it is Labour – and only Labour – which can defend the interests of ordinary Scots. But the past week offers compelling evidence that the decline and fall of the Labour Empire continues apace.

    http://www.scotsman....party-1-2180309

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  • Location: Camborne

    It was even on BBC Two Scotland according to the schedule. I'm sure in homes across the highlands whole families were gathered together in worship.... http://cdn.nwstatic.co.uk/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.png

    Presumably without this picture above the fireplace. http://cdn.nwstatic.co.uk/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.png

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    Presumably without this picture above the fireplace. http://cdn.nwstatic.co.uk/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.png

    Yes, and his prime location pad continues to draw the crowds. How it makes me laugh when people say independence would drown Scotland in sectarian strife...

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    The Daily Record reporting it too - an avidly anti-independence/SNP Labour red top....

    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics-news/2012/03/17/david-cameron-s-new-right-hand-man-in-scotland-lives-closer-to-paris-than-holyrood-86908-23791694/

    David Cameron's new right-hand man in Scotland lives closer to Paris than Holyrood

    DESPERATE David Cameron has appointed a right-hand man on Scotland – a millionaire Thatcherite who hasn’t lived here for more than 20 years.

    Cameron, whose disastrous interventions in the debate over Scotland’s future have been blamed for fuelling support for independence, has turned to wealthy lobbyist Andrew Dunlop for help.

    Glasgow-born right-winger Dunlop, 52, started work in Downing Street last month as the PM’s key lieutenant on Scottish issues – even though he lives in Sussex.

    This is the same guy who advised Thatcher on her poll tax experiments in Scotland. Really, you could not make this stuff up.

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

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    mmmmmmmmmm I might be biased but I don't like the tone and suggestions.

    Brian Taylor is a Labour party man. Always has been. This is well known.

    BBC Scotland is the Glasgow Labour party. Hardly surprising as they've been the main party in Scotland for 60 odd years.

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  • Location: Beccles, Suffolk.
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  • Location: Beccles, Suffolk.

    Yes, and his prime location pad continues to draw the crowds. How it makes me laugh when people say independence would drown Scotland in sectarian strife...

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    The Daily Record reporting it too - an avidly anti-independence/SNP Labour red top....

    http://www.dailyreco...86908-23791694/

    David Cameron's new right-hand man in Scotland lives closer to Paris than Holyrood

    DESPERATE David Cameron has appointed a right-hand man on Scotland – a millionaire Thatcherite who hasn’t lived here for more than 20 years.

    This is the same guy who advised Thatcher on her poll tax experiments in Scotland. Really, you could not make this stuff up.

    It nicely shows just how far out-of-touch with reality your average Eton schoolboy really is, though?

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  • Location: Carryduff, County Down 420ft ASL
  • Location: Carryduff, County Down 420ft ASL

    Brian Taylor is a Labour party man. Always has been. This is well known.

    BBC Scotland is the Glasgow Labour party. Hardly surprising as they've been the main party in Scotland for 60 odd years.

    At least he's an Arab. :p

    Brian isnt to bad in my opinion. He does work for the British Broadcasting Corporation after all and like most BBC journalists is constrained by editorial pro Union bias.

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  • Location: Maddiston , Falkirk, Scotland 390ft above sea level
  • Location: Maddiston , Falkirk, Scotland 390ft above sea level

    At least he's an Arab. :p

    Brian isnt to bad in my opinion. He does work for the British Broadcasting Corporation after all and like most BBC journalists is constrained by editorial pro Union bias.

    Yes but impartial he is not! He has been found out on several occasions standing up for labour. He even stood up for the lamentable Iain Gray. Did anyone hear Mr Gray on radio Scotland last night. He was arguing about the need for teaching Scottish history as a subject in schools. He thought along with other unionists that it may politicise our youth. He was laughed at by Tom Devine. So what in Scotland's history are the unionists afraid of? In any other country we would be affronted if they did not teach the countries history.This would be classed as subordination. However it seems in Scotland they don't want us to study the country we live in. When I was at School I knew more about the Romans in Sussex,the Tudors and Henry the 8th than I did about Bannockburn,The Act of Union,William Wallace,the picts,the enlightenment...the list goes on. I had to learn all of it from my parents or through private reading. Disgraceful!

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    Yes but impartial he is not! He has been found out on several occasions standing up for labour. He even stood up for the lamentable Iain Gray. Did anyone hear Mr Gray on radio Scotland last night. He was arguing about the need for teaching Scottish history as a subject in schools. He thought along with other unionists that it may politicise our youth. He was laughed at by Tom Devine. So what in Scotland's history are the unionists afraid of? In any other country we would be affronted if they did not teach the countries history.This would be classed as subordination. However it seems in Scotland they don't want us to study the country we live in. When I was at School I knew more about the Romans in Sussex,the Tudors and Henry the 8th than I did about Bannockburn,The Act of Union,William Wallace,the picts,the enlightenment...the list goes on. I had to learn all of it from my parents or through private reading. Disgraceful!

    Yet I was taught about most of those things, down here. Odd, eh?

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    Yet I was taught about most of those things, down here. Odd, eh?

    Very much hit and miss up here. At primary school in the highlands, I was lucky to be taught a little Scottish History (wars of independence, jacobites etc). At high School (east lothian, a traditional labour council area), none at all that I remember; romans then american colonisation, the british empire, world wars etc.

    Anyway, shows how out of touch the labour party are - 90% of parents want 'Scottish Studies' introduced as an option at high School as proposed. The whole talk about 'brainwashing' by the SNP just makes the unionist parties look pathetic really.

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  • Location: Rochester, Kent
  • Location: Rochester, Kent

    Scottish independence just got more complicated.

    Orkney and Shetland demand the right to decide whether to join Scotland in independence or stay in the UK. If they vote to stay in the UK, that's approximately 25% of oil revenues ... which is the basis for SNP's vision of a fiscally independent Scotland.

    http://www.digitaljo.../article/321489

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  • Location: Maddiston , Falkirk, Scotland 390ft above sea level
  • Location: Maddiston , Falkirk, Scotland 390ft above sea level

    Scottish independence just got more complicated.

    Orkney and Shetland demand the right to decide whether to join Scotland in independence or stay in the UK. If they vote to stay in the UK, that's approximately 25% of oil revenues ... which is the basis for SNP's vision of a fiscally independent Scotland.

    http://www.digitaljo.../article/321489

    wondered when this would come up. Scotland is a nation of the UK. Shetland is an island of Scotland. The referendum is a vote on the whole of Scotland leaving the UK. There is no option for the islands to stay in the UK. They would have to vote seperately later on in an independent Scotland if they wished to leave. They would also have to be recognised as a nation which they are not at present. There is nothing complicated about this. Furthermore if we go down this road then every island and region could argue the same...it's just incorrect and misleading.

    Furthermore the UK could not claim sovereignty over any part of Scotland which is currently recognised as a part of Scotland. So when independence is declared all of Scotland leaves the UK.

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    Scottish independence just got more complicated.

    Orkney and Shetland demand the right to decide whether to join Scotland in independence or stay in the UK. If they vote to stay in the UK, that's approximately 25% of oil revenues ... which is the basis for SNP's vision of a fiscally independent Scotland.

    http://www.digitaljo.../article/321489

    Ah this old chestnut. Was the same in 1979. Mischief making. Going to dent his popularity even more.

    Tavish has not long left - took a huge hit in May 11. He might want to let the islanders speak for themselves.

    If they stay in the UK, they only get the 12 miles zone according to international law. Not much that. See map on page 29 here... http://www.ejil.org/pdfs/12/1/505.pdf

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    Rockall is not able to support life/has no inhabitants so would not even have the 12 mile zone as an 'enclave' would under the law of the sea if somehow Westminster could claim it as theirs. Part of invernesshire anyway, so Scots.

    Also, shetland wants oil and gas devolved to holyrood; they have always supported this:

    http://www.pressandj...le.aspx/1097830

    Voted strongly for devolution in 1997.

    Scots + Norse heritage, part of Scotland for over 500 years, norway before, Scotland (well 'pictland') before that. SNP has always supported Shetland's autonomy and had an agreement with the Shetland Movement not to stand against them when they fielded candidates in the past. Still in place. I can't see shetlanders rushing into Tory rule from SE England....

    If Sheltand wished full independence/greater autonomy, it would really need to work on that with Scotland.

    Britain has a history of this, i.e. trying to partition rebellious parts of the empire when they seek self determination (think N. Ireland). Divide and conquer.....

    And what if some of the shetland islands voted yes and others no, could just some islands stay and others join Scotland? If Scotland is divisible, then so are it's constituent parts.... What about the Lordship of the Isles (Western Isles); it was independent effectively until after Shetland became officially part of Scotland. Surely it has a stronger case as Shetland was never independent? What about Lauderdale where I stay - it has close links with Northumbria? What about Northumbria for that matter - maybe they wish to join Scotland? My mate from Durham is up for it. Surely the same rights apply?

    LOL.

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    And of course the islanders are very unhappy about the UK government ending the funding of emergency tugs in the area, greatly increasing the risk of a major oil spill or the like.

    Just a few days after emergency cover was ended, a cargo ship goes aground. Luckily, we got away with it.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk...slands-17441945

    "The grounding of the Flinterspirit underlines the real risks that shipping face in these waters just days after the coastguard tug was removed from the Minch.

    "We are only one incident away from tragedy and the UK government is putting lives at risk."

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  • Location: Maddiston , Falkirk, Scotland 390ft above sea level
  • Location: Maddiston , Falkirk, Scotland 390ft above sea level

    Ah this old chestnut. Was the same in 1979. Mischief making. Going to dent his popularity even more.

    Tavish has not long left - took a huge hit in May 11. He might want to let the islanders speak for themselves.

    If they stay in the UK, they only get the 12 miles zone according to international law. Not much that. See map on page 29 here... http://www.ejil.org/pdfs/12/1/505.pdf

    Also, shetland wants oil and gas devolved to holyrood; they have always supported this:

    http://www.pressandj...le.aspx/1097830

    Voted strongly for devolution in 1997.

    Scots + Norse heritage, part of Scotland for over 500 years, norway before, Scotland (well 'pictland') before that. SNP has always supported Shetland's autonomy and had an agreement with the Shetland Movement not to stand against them when they fielded candidates in the past. Still in place. I can't see shetlanders rushing into Tory rule from SE England....

    If Sheltand wished full independence/greater autonomy, it would really need to work on that with Scotland.

    Britain has a history of this, i.e. trying to partition rebellious parts of the empire when they seek self determination (think N. Ireland). Divide and conquer.....

    And what if some of the shetland islands voted yes and others no, could just some islands stay and others join Scotland? If Scotland is divisible, then so are it's constituent parts.... What about the Lordship of the Isles (Western Isles); it was independent effectively until after Sheltand became officially part of Scotland. Surely it has a stronger case as Shetland was never independent? What about Lauderdale where I stay - it has close links with Northumbria? What about Northumbria for that matter - maybe they wish to join Scotland? My mate from Durham is up for it. Surely the same rights apply?

    LOL.

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    And of course the islanders are very unhappy about the UK government ending the funding of emergency tugs in the area, greatly increasing the risk of a major oil spill or the like.

    Just a few days after emergency cover was ended, a cargo ship goes aground. Luckily, we got away with it.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk...slands-17441945

    "The grounding of the Flinterspirit underlines the real risks that shipping face in these waters just days after the coastguard tug was removed from the Minch.

    "We are only one incident away from tragedy and the UK government is putting lives at risk."

    Aye and freedom for Speyside they have most of the Whisky! In fact freedom for Grangemouth as they refine Scotland's oil and gas! Freedom for every region that doesn't vote for independence.Is that an oxymoron..another name for the Unionists!
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  • Location: Camborne
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    Aye and freedom for Speyside they have most of the Whisky! In fact freedom for Grangemouth as they refine Scotland's oil and gas! Freedom for every region that doesn't vote for independence.Is that an oxymoron..another name for the Unionists!

    Don't forget freedom for Islay as they can then reduce the tax on Laphroig, Ardbeg, Bruichladdich, Bunnahabhain and bring it within the range of ageing pensioners. Mind Cornish single malt produced this year retailed at £150 for a 50cl bottle. Apparently sold out already to desperate Scotsmen.

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    Yet I was taught about most of those things, down here. Odd, eh?

    Following on from the earlier topic of teaching Scottish children about the country they live in...

    http://www.bbc.co.uk...litics-17421935

    Champions group to promote Scottish studies in schools

    ....The Champions group includes academics, novelists and former teachers.

    Convener, Prof Murray Pittock, vice-principal and head of the college of arts at the University of Glasgow, said: "The aim of the group is quite simple. We will do all that we can to promote and explain the importance of Scottish Studies particularly, but not exclusively, in schools.

    ....Labour initially expressed strong concern over the move but has given it a cautious welcome.

    The Tories have questioned whether such a course is needed.

    Good old Tories - anti-Scottish (teaching of history, culture etc) to the last. I thought they were all about choice. 90% of Scots parents questioned wanted their children to have the choice to study Scottish Studies, yet the Tories, champions of choice, don't think there is need for people to have said choice. All very contradictory.

    No wonder they lost their deposit in e.g. Shetland with 3.5% of the vote (only 6.4% on the regional list); the islanders love their culture and history. SNP came second on the regional list (behind the libs) and third on the constituency - could have maybe taken out Tavish who dropped 19.2% if the popular Billy Fox hadn't decided to stand as an independent and get 30.3%.

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    Mind Cornish single malt produced this year retailed at £150 for a 50cl bottle. Apparently sold out already to desperate Scotsmen.

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    Looks nice. I've even tasted some very good japanese stuff too.

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    Looks nice. I've even tasted some very good japanese stuff too.

    I understand it's excellent but obviously outside of my budget even if the limited production hadn't been snapped up so quickly. I don't think AS will be too worried by the competition.

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    Following on from the earlier topic of teaching Scottish children about the country they live in...

    http://www.bbc.co.uk...litics-17421935

    Champions group to promote Scottish studies in schools

    ....The Champions group includes academics, novelists and former teachers.

    Convener, Prof Murray Pittock, vice-principal and head of the college of arts at the University of Glasgow, said: "The aim of the group is quite simple. We will do all that we can to promote and explain the importance of Scottish Studies particularly, but not exclusively, in schools.

    ....Labour initially expressed strong concern over the move but has given it a cautious welcome.

    The Tories have questioned whether such a course is needed.

    Good old Tories - anti-Scottish (teaching of history, culture etc) to the last. I thought they were all about choice. 90% of Scots parents questioned wanted their children to have the choice to study Scottish Studies, yet the Tories, champions of choice, don't think there is need for people to have said choice. All very contradictory.

    No wonder they lost their deposit in e.g. Shetland with 3.5% of the vote (only 6.4% on the regional list); the islanders love their culture and history. SNP came second on the regional list (behind the libs) and third on the constituency - could have maybe taken out Tavish who dropped 19.2% if the popular Billy Fox hadn't decided to stand as an independent and get 30.3%.

    I know just how those islanders feel.

    As an Englishman I used to love mine, can't think, for the life of me, what the hell happened to it.

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