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And that ignorant, offensive, rant sums up exactly why the YES campaign failed  

Good god. What a load of boarish spiteful bile from bad losers has been posted during the night. I actually dread to think how Scotland would be run if this is representative of how the yes vote behav

I'm disappointed in the lack of grace shown by some across the net in accepting this No vote. A complete lack of any empathy and understanding as to why fellow Scots didn't vote Yes.   I personally

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  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level
  • Weather Preferences: dry sunny average summers and really cold snowy winters
  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level

    So you don't think Scotland should aid the innocent Iraqi's and Syrians from freeing themselves of ISIS?

     

     

    might sound a bit bad but personally I don't think we should the governments that started it all should finish it there would be enough forces there anyway and the Scottish government didn't want to go to war in the first place plus as we have seen it would only bring trouble and death to our country in return.

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  • Location: @scotlandwx
  • Weather Preferences: Crystal Clear High Pressure & Blue Skies
  • Location: @scotlandwx

     ICM poll has Yes on 41%, No on 45% and 14% undecided

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  • Location: Highland Scotland
  • Location: Highland Scotland

    Note ICM Poll is giving change with reference to an August Poll - is this a different methodology from some more recent ones? Where is SS when you need him!

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  • Location: Gilesgate Moor, Durham City
  • Location: Gilesgate Moor, Durham City

    Opinium/Daily Telegraph poll shows "No" ahead with 52% of the vote and 48% for "Yes" 


    With the undecideds included, the split was 45% Yes and 49% No and 6% Don't know.


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  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level
  • Weather Preferences: dry sunny average summers and really cold snowy winters
  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level

    'Doon the Valley ;-)

     

     

    aye am doon the valley mate when I first moved in people said it was rough and dodgy down here I don't see what the fuss is all about myself lol

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  • Location: Huddersfield, 145m ASL
  • Weather Preferences: Lots of snow, lots of hot sun
  • Location: Huddersfield, 145m ASL

    George Monbiot, who really is something of a loose cannon in the media. Again fires in from 'outside' the debate.

     

    Another insightful read, esp. the parts about Robert Peston and Rupert Murdoch.

     

    Worth a look..

     

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/16/media-shafted-people-scotland-journalists?CMP=twt_gu

     

    Monbiot may be a 'loose cannon' but he more often makes a lot of sense than not. The article contains some excellent examples of the disgraceful coverage the referendum has received in the English press, as well as some scathingly accurate points regarding the media in general. And still people read, and believe, what's in the newspapers.................

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  • Location: Leeds/Bradford border, 185 metres above sea level, around 600 feet
  • Location: Leeds/Bradford border, 185 metres above sea level, around 600 feet

    Good News: Latest ICM poll: 52% Yes, 48% No

     

     

    ICM has YES 52% NO 48% from what I'm hearing

     

    It's the other way. Excluding DK (stupid if turnout is really 80%+) then it's 52% No.

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  • Location: Clayton-Le-Woods, Chorley 59m asl.
  • Weather Preferences: very cold frosty days, blizzards, very hot weather, floods, storms
  • Location: Clayton-Le-Woods, Chorley 59m asl.

    It's the other way. Excluding DK (stupid if turnout is really 80%+) then it's 52% No.

    It must be some odd idiot on twitter just said that.

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  • Location: Leeds/Bradford border, 185 metres above sea level, around 600 feet
  • Location: Leeds/Bradford border, 185 metres above sea level, around 600 feet

    Note ICM Poll is giving change with reference to an August Poll - is this a different methodology from some more recent ones? Where is SS when you need him!

     

    The normal monthly one (last week - showed no leading) is the Guardian one.

     

    The Yes one was for the telegraph but used online.

     

    This one is for the Scotsman but is like the Guardian poll not online (telephone i think).

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  • Location: @scotlandwx
  • Weather Preferences: Crystal Clear High Pressure & Blue Skies
  • Location: @scotlandwx

    Re: Opinium

     

    From - James Kelly at http://scotgoespop.blogspot.co.uk/

     

    Should Scotland be an independent country?

    Yes 48% (+1)
    No 52% (-1)

    Remember that Opinium weight by 2010 recalled vote - a procedure that no other firm uses and that decreases the reported Yes vote

     

    Re : ICM

     

    ICM poll :

    Yes 48% (-6)
    No 52% (+6)

    The percentage changes are of course probably misleading, because the previous ICM poll does now look like an obvious outlier.  This is the joint second-highest ever Yes vote in an ICM poll.

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  • Location: Inbhir Nis / Inverness - 636 ft asl
  • Weather Preferences: Freezing fog, frost, snow, sunshine.
  • Location: Inbhir Nis / Inverness - 636 ft asl

    Good News: Latest ICM poll: 52% Yes, 48% No

    Not particularly, look at those undecideds!

    No 45% yes 41% Dk 14%

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  • Location: Gilesgate Moor, Durham City
  • Location: Gilesgate Moor, Durham City

    Re: Opinium

     

    From - James Kelly at http://scotgoespop.blogspot.co.uk/

     

    Should Scotland be an independent country?

    Yes 48% (+1)

    No 52% (-1)

    Remember that Opinium weight by 2010 recalled vote - a procedure that no other firm uses and that decreases the reported Yes vote

     

    Re : ICM

     

    ICM poll :

    Yes 48% (-6)

    No 52% (+6)

    The percentage changes are of course probably misleading, because the previous ICM poll does now look like an obvious outlier.  This is the joint second-highest ever Yes vote in an ICM poll.

     

    Regarding your Opinium comment.. despite this they've ended up with the same overall result as the ICM.

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  • Location: Stoke Gifford, Bristol
  • Location: Stoke Gifford, Bristol

    Telephone polling is more robust imo, than online.

    I've said it before in here and i say it again there is too much room for contamination in online polling.

    I think the most interesting poll due before Thursday will be tomorrow's Ipsos one, as it's telephone and is a larger sample.

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  • Location: Central Falkirk
  • Location: Central Falkirk

    Well I must admit I am no expert but I see no reason why Faslane and the Clyde could not house a conventional Navy. We will need ports in the North Sea and the Atlantic. There is likely to be new oil fields there once Trident is removed. If we can port dangerous submarines there and warships can enter. I can only conclude the area is of some strategic capability and importance. Sounds like our friend got from the borders to Central station in 8 minutes. Some trains we have these days!

     I'm not happy, in fact I'm quite sad November, I was just passing Carstairs when I first posted, and about ten minutes out from Glasgow the second time. And those Virgin trains can be quite fast ;-). Now you'll be accusing me of speeding along the motorway to Glasgow because I'm now back in Falkirk.

     

    Faslane could be used to base-port a conventional naval force, no problem, although berthing-space would be an issue if the SDF got as much as it seems to expect to get (and we can argue about that too). What it's in no way suitable for is the back-office functions required to act - as is stated - as the 'HQ' of the SDF. There's not much office-space, and the site is very sloping making new-build  hideously expensive. The new quarters built to house submariners was eye-wateringly over budget, and is already falling apart due to the lovely weather over there. No parking to speak of, not enough flat ground for stores and other support-functions, and a large number of specialist buildings that would need knocked down and (in some cases) expensively decommissioned. The costs will run into tens of millions, actually make that hundreds. Then there's the fact that it's so far away from the motorway network, and seat of government. Then there's the other fact that most of Scotland's assets are in the north sea, and who wants to go round the top of the country whenever you need to get to work? Any sensible consideration would have had them put the HQ at Rosyth, where it's handy for Holyrood and the existing infrastructure is far better suited to creating huge offices and stores.

     

    In any case, most of the jobs which would supposedly be created by siting the SDF HQ on the Clyde are of far lower quality than the specialist engineering support tasks currently carried out. No need for electrical, civil, nuclear engineers, no need for safety-case specialists. These are all civilian jobs, carried out by highly-trained personnel, and it supports a large training programme for apprentices as well. Don't tell me that renewables will fill that gap - it won't; and your average skilled safety engineer doesn't want to retrain as a pay-clerk. Our ambitious youngsters will need to go south in even larger numbers than they now do to get the jobs they want, and we'll lose still more of the engineering excellence that made - and still makes - Scotland great. The Clyde as it currently operates has a long-term future, and will continue to employ current levels of quality personnel into the distance

     

    Don't just take my word for it - try these guys

     

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11093397/Naval-chiefs-Scottish-independence-will-do-immense-damage-to-Forces.html

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  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level
  • Weather Preferences: dry sunny average summers and really cold snowy winters
  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level

    see we had some pranksters out yesterday :rofl:

     

    post-18233-0-15674900-1410898657_thumb.j

     

     

    heres something for everyone to try

     

    turn your right foot in clockwise circles and then draw a 6 in the air with your right hand while keeping turning your right foot in clockwise circles

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  • Location: Leeds/Bradford border, 185 metres above sea level, around 600 feet
  • Location: Leeds/Bradford border, 185 metres above sea level, around 600 feet

    Not particularly, look at those undecideds!

    No 45% yes 41% Dk 14%

     

    Yes. ICM including DK has always had a high DK number. To be honest i suspect that's correct given the magnitude of the question being asked.

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  • Location: Duddingston, Edinburgh
  • Location: Duddingston, Edinburgh

    I really don't believe there are undecideds by now, everyone I know has made up their mind. The only reason i think people are saying they are undecided is they don't want to share their decision and I would suspect (guess) that many of them will likely be No voters

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  • Location: Near King's Lynn 13.68m ASL
  • Weather Preferences: Hoar Frost, Snow, Misty Autumn mornings
  • Location: Near King's Lynn 13.68m ASL

    Not if your one of those snow and ice nutters.

     

    Unrepentant nutter here. Latest Netweather Poll: 95% SNOW 5% MILD

     

    Anyway, Beckham: seriously? 

     

    For what it's worth, as an Englishman of Irish descent I'm in the Yes camp. Some of the arguments in the NO camp sound to me like the patrician accusations of ingratitude that were aimed at the Irish in the early 20th Century. Good Luck on Thursday.

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  • Location: Highland Scotland
  • Location: Highland Scotland

    Opinium weights to both 2010 and 2011. Seems tonights ICM poll was a phone one and don't knows are up from 9% in the online poll that showed YES ahead to 14% in tonight's poll. Yes is down 6% compared to that online poll, don't know up 5%! Coincidence? Maybe, maybe not, but this evening's ICM is within 1% of the previous ICM phone poll.

    [edit - numbers add up now I put the right ones in the right place]

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  • Location: @scotlandwx
  • Weather Preferences: Crystal Clear High Pressure & Blue Skies
  • Location: @scotlandwx

    Regarding your Opinium comment.. despite this they've ended up with the same overall result as the ICM.

     

    Hi Nick, comment is from the blog quoted in the post. I am aware that Opinium are new to the poll arena and slightly different methodology, our resident guru Skier mentioned this on their first time round. Not my area of expertise so best to look for his commentary. Meanwhile the blog usually has some good analysis and discussion on it to keep things going.

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  • Location: Derbyshire Peak District South Pennines Middleton & Smerrill Tops 305m (1001ft) asl.
  • Location: Derbyshire Peak District South Pennines Middleton & Smerrill Tops 305m (1001ft) asl.

    Listening to News 24 with R1's live debate.. Very handy for the Politics sipleton like me.. I lived in the Highlands near Strontian when much younger, A wonderful place and people and plan to move back before i pop my clogs! I visit 2/3 times a year. What ever happens, Scotland will always be Scotland!

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  • Location: Maddiston , Falkirk, Scotland 390ft above sea level
  • Location: Maddiston , Falkirk, Scotland 390ft above sea level

    Decomm I wouldn't take the Torygraphs opinion on anything in Scotland seriously. That paper is completely anti Scottish. Anyway I take your points but they are really just opinions.

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  • Location: Leeds/Bradford border, 185 metres above sea level, around 600 feet
  • Location: Leeds/Bradford border, 185 metres above sea level, around 600 feet

    I really don't believe there are undecideds by now, everyone I know has made up their mind. The only reason i think people are saying they are undecided is they don't want to share their decision and I would suspect (guess) that many of them will likely be No voters

     

    Every general election, local election and even the AV referendum has had don't know's on the day still (though a lot actually don't care much and stay home).

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  • Location: Maddiston , Falkirk, Scotland 390ft above sea level
  • Location: Maddiston , Falkirk, Scotland 390ft above sea level

    Is there a Survation poll out tonight as well?

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