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  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level
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  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level

    If Scotland goes independent, will they have to get their own consulates and embassies in other countries around the world?

    How much will this cost the Scottish government, through staff and building costs?

     

     

    a consulate wouldn't cost much it can be something as simple as some offices in a building

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    And that ignorant, offensive, rant sums up exactly why the YES campaign failed  

    Good god. What a load of boarish spiteful bile from bad losers has been posted during the night. I actually dread to think how Scotland would be run if this is representative of how the yes vote behav

    I'm disappointed in the lack of grace shown by some across the net in accepting this No vote. A complete lack of any empathy and understanding as to why fellow Scots didn't vote Yes.   I personally

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  • Location: North of Falkirk
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  • Location: North of Falkirk

    If Scotland goes independent, will they have to get their own consulates and embassies in other countries around the world?

    How much will this cost the Scottish government, through staff and building costs?

    Quite simple. An iScotland will still be part of the Commonwealth. Therefore any embassy within the Commonwealth can be used. I guess through time (complete independence will take more than 1 day! ) a Scottish embassy will be on the list, just like a seat on the UN.

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  • Location: North of Falkirk
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    Intolerant attitudes to those that don't agree with you are more likely to hold Scotland back rather than voting NO, BFT.

    Me being positive is an example of an intolerant attitude?

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  • Location: Inbhir Nis / Inverness - 636 ft asl
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  • Location: Inbhir Nis / Inverness - 636 ft asl

    Ok fair enough, lets move on from this splitting hairs argument :)

    It's not really a case of splitting hairs but is at the core of the argument. The central notion of the Welfare State is that humans are of intrinsic value, with the common good occupying a 'telos' within society, instead of economic growth. In short, people become the core concern and economic growth is built around that.

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  • Location: North of Falkirk
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    All talk about oil and Scotland but what about that other natural resource found under the North Sea, gas?

    What is the situation as regards to gas for an independent Scotland?

    Let's use our oil first ;-)

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    Folks, it's getting a bit tiresome trawling through tit for tat posts goading each other, appreciate there are strong feelings on either side of this..

     

    Can we please continue debate and make constructive points /  arguments without the need for personal digs / goading / collective generalisation ( them / us).

     

    The PM system is also available if you want to have a one on one side discussion, and also the report function is available for any posts which you feel are not within the spirit of the forum.

     

    Thanks !

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  • Location: Maddiston , Falkirk, Scotland 390ft above sea level
  • Location: Maddiston , Falkirk, Scotland 390ft above sea level

    Well I must admit I am no expert but I see no reason why Faslane and the Clyde could not house a conventional Navy. We will need ports in the North Sea and the Atlantic. There is likely to be new oil fields there once Trident is removed. If we can port dangerous submarines there and warships can enter. I can only conclude the area is of some strategic capability and importance. Sounds like our friend got from the borders to Central station in 8 minutes. Some trains we have these days!

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  • Location: Stockport
  • Location: Stockport

    All talk about oil and Scotland but what about that other natural resource found under the North Sea, gas?

    What is the situation as regards to gas for an independent Scotland?

    I thought a lot of the gas was in English waters, is that correct?

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  • Location: Clayton-Le-Woods, Chorley 59m asl.
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  • Location: Clayton-Le-Woods, Chorley 59m asl.

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  • Location: Maddiston , Falkirk, Scotland 390ft above sea level
  • Location: Maddiston , Falkirk, Scotland 390ft above sea level

    More gas around North East England and Anglia I am told. Scotland has only small gas deposits.

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  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level
  • Weather Preferences: dry sunny average summers and really cold snowy winters
  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level

    All talk about oil and Scotland but what about that other natural resource found under the North Sea, gas?

    What is the situation as regards to gas for an independent Scotland?

     

     

    I would imagine it would work the same way as the oil use some and sell if we don't need.

     

    before you end up asking about renewables we plan to achieve 200% of the electricity we need and sell the extra to England for them to shore up there shortfalls

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  • Location: Calgary, Canada (1230m asl)
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  • Location: Calgary, Canada (1230m asl)

    Not just the navy proposed to be there, remember. And in truth not even enough berthing-space for the numbers of small craft suggested. The land-side would be hopeless for the admin and support-services. built on slopes, no parking, huge specialist facilities aimed at submarines that would need lengthy decommissioning... I could go on. It's a joke really. Not thought through, like so much else in that white paper

     

    Could they not build berths for ships? How much water frontage is there at Faslane? It looks like a sizeable chunk of land to me.

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  • Location: Near Newton Abbot or east Dartmoor, Devon
  • Location: Near Newton Abbot or east Dartmoor, Devon

    It's not really a case of splitting hairs but is at the core of the argument. The central notion of the Welfare State is that humans are of intrinsic value, with the common good occupying a 'telos' within society, instead of economic growth. In short, people become the core concern and economic growth is built around that.

    The common good not extending to the rest of the UK anymore - if you go independent. In short Scots people become the core concern...

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  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level
  • Weather Preferences: dry sunny average summers and really cold snowy winters
  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level

    I thought a lot of the gas was in English waters, is that correct?

     

     

    yeah most fields that have been found England do have the majority of these theres of good line of gas fields running off the east coast

     

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  • Location: Stockport
  • Location: Stockport

    More gas around North East England and Anglia I am told. Scotland has only small gas deposits.

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/jun/30/scotland-shale-gas-reserves-a-fraction-of-northern-englands

    So if I were to be incredibly simplistic you could say that Scotland has all the oil whereas England has all the gas?

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  • Location: North of Falkirk
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  • Location: North of Falkirk

    Salmond on sky news just now - "we will use the £ if we want to".(post inde)

    Exactly. Since it's as much ours to use.

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  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level
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  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level

    Salmond on sky news just now - "we will use the £ if we want to".(post inde)

     

     

    yip and he is telling the truth

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  • Location: Maddiston , Falkirk, Scotland 390ft above sea level
  • Location: Maddiston , Falkirk, Scotland 390ft above sea level

    Yes but England has not got as much gas as we have oil. Its why Russia was supplying Europe.

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  • Location: Inbhir Nis / Inverness - 636 ft asl
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  • Location: Inbhir Nis / Inverness - 636 ft asl

    I thought a lot of the gas was in English waters, is that correct?

    It is.

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  • Location: NR LOURDES SW FRANCE
  • Location: NR LOURDES SW FRANCE

    Exactly. Since it's as much ours to use.

    I thought that was never the issue . However it helps Salmond to confuse voters into thinking that's the same as the pound in a CU. How many Scots voters have actually looked into Sterlingization? I know people in these types of forums will know the difference but how about other people ? I wouldn't touch Sterlingization with a barge poll if I was Scottish! Don't worry thread I won't go into my currency rant again,

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  • Location: Inbhir Nis / Inverness - 636 ft asl
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  • Location: Inbhir Nis / Inverness - 636 ft asl

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/jun/30/scotland-shale-gas-reserves-a-fraction-of-northern-englands

    So if I were to be incredibly simplistic you could say that Scotland has all the oil whereas England has all the gas?

    Correct. The value of Scottish oil is higher than rUK gas though.

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