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  • Location: Inbhir Nis / Inverness - 636 ft asl
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  • Location: Inbhir Nis / Inverness - 636 ft asl

    Actually it has been devolved since 1999. Of course Scotland is bound by the money that comes in from Westminster, but Scotland is free to do as it wishes as long as any extra spending on the NHS is made up elsewhere.

    Sorry man but...do you honestly think that anyone in Scotland doesn't know that the running of the NHS is devolved? The debate is more advanced than tat, relating to consequentials and funding. NHS funding is not devolved.

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    And that ignorant, offensive, rant sums up exactly why the YES campaign failed  

    Good god. What a load of boarish spiteful bile from bad losers has been posted during the night. I actually dread to think how Scotland would be run if this is representative of how the yes vote behav

    I'm disappointed in the lack of grace shown by some across the net in accepting this No vote. A complete lack of any empathy and understanding as to why fellow Scots didn't vote Yes.   I personally

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  • Location: North of Falkirk
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  • Location: North of Falkirk

    Not just the navy proposed to be there, remember. And in truth not even enough berthing-space for the numbers of small craft suggested. The land-side would be hopeless for the admin and support-services. built on slopes, no parking, huge specialist facilities aimed at submarines that would need lengthy decommissioning... I could go on. It's a joke really. Not thought through, like so much else in that white paper

    Says the voice of a true nay-sayer

     

    Meanwhile, http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/09/16/conocophillips-assetsale-idINL1N0RG2PP20140916

     

    The oilfield has an estimated 8 billion barrels of oil, making it the largest hydrocarbon resource in Europe, according to oil major BP Plc's website.

     

    And it'll be all 'oors if we return a YES on Thursday.

     

    But, there's more: http://www.heraldscotland.com/business/company-news/hurricane-hails-potential-of-new-shetland-oil-find.25339138

     

    Hell's bells, even more: http://newsnetscotland.com/index.php/referendum/9752-leading-geologist-says-firth-of-clyde-has-fantastic-potential-for-oil

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  • Location: Maddiston , Falkirk, Scotland 390ft above sea level
  • Location: Maddiston , Falkirk, Scotland 390ft above sea level

    I know Bus it's the elephant in the room actually calling an Englisman English. No other nation must be so insecure that it is afraid of its own name. Feel free to call me a Jock or the Scots that seems fine. Whether you like it or not Westminster is in London and London is in England. Don't take it as an insult. I am proud to be referred to as a Scot or even a Jock.

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  • Location: North of Falkirk
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  • Location: North of Falkirk

     You ever been to Faslane, BFT? I think anyone who had been there would realise just how completely unsuitable it is for anything other than submarine support. The infrastructure, the topography and the geography is all wrong - along with the small matter of it being on the west coast rather than the east.

     

    Rosyth would be much better, IMHO. the very fact of Faslane being suggested shows the exceedingly poor understanding of the needs of the armed forces by those who look for a quick fix for the huge job-losses associated with the loss of the submarine support function on the Clyde.

    Yes, I have been to Faslane. Anything stopping a Navy being based there? 

     

    along with the small matter of it being on the west coast rather than the east.

     

    Meaning the west coast, where new shipbuilding will take place thanks to Jim McColl at Clyde Blowers, is wrong?

     

    who look for a quick fix for the huge job-losses associated with the loss of the submarine support function on the Clyde.

     

     

     

    Quick fix? It's estimated to take 4 years for complete removal of Trident. I'm sure jobs will be safe initially as the dismantling, quite rightly, is started. I'd like to put some positivity into your statement - perhaps some are quite happy to leave Faslane for Portsmouth or wherever this waste of money is planned to go. Sadly, job losses can occur any time, BTW. But, I expect nothing else from the scaremongers.

     

    Think positive. Stop holding Scotland back from flourishing. 

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  • Location: Peterborough
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  • Location: Peterborough

    Sorry man but...do you honestly think that anyone in Scotland doesn't know that the running of the NHS is devolved? The debate is more advanced than tat, relating to consequentials and funding. NHS funding is not devolved.

    Ok fair enough, lets move on from this splitting hairs argument :)

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  • Location: Maddiston , Falkirk, Scotland 390ft above sea level
  • Location: Maddiston , Falkirk, Scotland 390ft above sea level

    Decomm it's all hopeless then so we can't be independent after all. Might as well give up. The overwhelming thing that comes from no. Every other independent country is not like Scotland and we are uniquely stupid without London running things for us. You offer nothing but fear and doom. God I so want out of the UK.

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  • Location: Sth Staffs/Shrops 105m/345' & NW Snowdonia 219m/719'
  • Location: Sth Staffs/Shrops 105m/345' & NW Snowdonia 219m/719'

    we might have the same problem on transfer but we could work straight away to take steps to rectify it maybe it would be too late for those near retirement but people still paying or just taking a pension up we could certainly help them and the Scottish government has a far better track record than Westmonster for doing things right for the people

     

    Public sector workers don't want to finance their own enhanced pensions, that's why they went on strike so it has to come out of Scotland revenues and it's general public spending and Scotland has run a bigger average budget deficit than the UK as a whole for the past 25 years.

     

    You cant say the Scottish government has a better track record on pension provision because it has never had to stand on it's on two feet to finance them,.. That's not to say it cant achieve it's goals long term but in the shortterm all these spending promises and freebies being promised by AS have to be financed from somewhere and I can't see an Independent Scotland being any freeer than rUK from austerity in the shorterm.

     

    ....... and we all know who pished it all up the wall for 13 years and got us into needing such austerity in the first place..... (and the No campaign (or in this case Labour) wheeling the RH gentleman out from Fife is a sign of sheer desperation IMHO)..

     

    I digress.... Yes Scotland can look after it's pensions... but it's a deep pocket for it and rUk to fund.... Don't under estimate it's magnitude.

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  • Location: Maddiston , Falkirk, Scotland 390ft above sea level
  • Location: Maddiston , Falkirk, Scotland 390ft above sea level

    No Burnt Scotland will collapse of we are independent. Have you listened to nothing. Lol

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  • Location: North of Falkirk
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  • Location: North of Falkirk

    It's such a burden for a nation trying to be independent to find they have renewals aplenty and oil to boot. God, imagine if Slovenia, Czech, Slovakia, Bosnia etc had our "dilemma" 

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  • Location: Hayward’s Heath - home, Brighton/East Grinstead - work.
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  • Location: Hayward’s Heath - home, Brighton/East Grinstead - work.

     

     

    Think positive. Stop holding Scotland back from flourishing. 

    Intolerant attitudes to those that don't agree with you are more likely to hold Scotland back rather than voting NO, BFT.

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  • Location: Central Falkirk
  • Location: Central Falkirk

    Yes, I have been to Faslane. Anything stopping a Navy being based there? 

     

    Meaning the west coast, where new shipbuilding will take place thanks to Jim McColl at Clyde Blowers, is wrong?

     

     

    Quick fix? It's estimated to take 4 years for complete removal of Trident. I'm sure jobs will be safe initially as the dismantling, quite rightly, is started. I'd like to put some positivity into your statement - perhaps some are quite happy to leave Faslane for Portsmouth or wherever this waste of money is planned to go. Sadly, job losses can occur any time, BTW. But, I expect nothing else from the scaremongers.

     

    Think positive. Stop holding Scotland back from flourishing. 

     

    No, nothing stopping a small naval presence being there - it's the proposal to use it for the HQ of the SDF that's barking for all of the reasons I gave. The west coast isn't the obvious place to base the navy, even because the main assets we're protecting are in the north sea, and our NATO support role will focus on the north sea as well. Nothing to do with shipbuilding. There's even an existing ammunitioning depot at Crombie on the Forth. 

     

    Sorry I can't be positive, and perhaps that's because there's absolutely nothing to be positive about in the White Paper, in the defence section at least. Just a lot of hot air that disappears as soon as you examine it with any understanding of the subject. 

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  • Location: Maddiston , Falkirk, Scotland 390ft above sea level
  • Location: Maddiston , Falkirk, Scotland 390ft above sea level

    Decomm quick question seriously. Have you a naval degree or do you work in the manufacture and logistics for the mod. Seems to be a very technical argument you have given. You say the whitw paper is wrong. Can you advise what technical information you have on this. The average person on here would probably admit they might be baffled with this technical stuff. Will await with interest.

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  • Location: Irlam
  • Location: Irlam

    If Scotland goes independent, how will say a criminal be dealt who commits a crime in one country and is found in another?

    Will they have to be extradiction procedures?

    What happens to say the Royal Mail in Scotland? Scottish Royal Mail?

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  • Location: Clayton-Le-Woods, Chorley 59m asl.
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  • Location: Clayton-Le-Woods, Chorley 59m asl.

    What happens to say the Royal Mail in Scotland? Scottish Royal Mail?

    It probably being change to Scottish Mail.

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  • Location: Maddiston , Falkirk, Scotland 390ft above sea level
  • Location: Maddiston , Falkirk, Scotland 390ft above sea level

    Yes and yes. Royal Mail will be renationalised its in the white paper.

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  • Location: Leeds/Bradford border, 185 metres above sea level, around 600 feet
  • Location: Leeds/Bradford border, 185 metres above sea level, around 600 feet

    If Scotland goes independent, how will say a criminal be dealt who commits a crime in one country and is found in another?

    Will they have to be extradiction procedures?

    What happens to say the Royal Mail in Scotland? Scottish Royal Mail?

     

    The Royal Mail is only 30% owned by the state now i believe so Scotland would own about 3% of the current private company i'd imagine.

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  • Location: Central Falkirk
  • Location: Central Falkirk

    Sorry November, on a train going through borders, so pretty flakey connection. You could say that I've got a 'working knowledge' of the subject.  :crazy:. Do you doubt me?

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  • Location: Leeds/Bradford border, 185 metres above sea level, around 600 feet
  • Location: Leeds/Bradford border, 185 metres above sea level, around 600 feet

    Yes and yes. Royal Mail will be renationalised its in the white paper.

     

    Does Salmond plan to compensate share holders for the (assuming Scottish bit of the Royal Mail is in profit) losses that will cause to the parent company. Does he plan to seize the assets in Scotland or buy the shares at market price?

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  • Location: Stockport
  • Location: Stockport

    If Scotland goes independent, how will say a criminal be dealt who commits a crime in one country and is found in another?

    Will they have to be extradiction procedures?

    What happens to say the Royal Mail in Scotland? Scottish Royal Mail?

    Royal Mail won't know what's going to happen to Royal Mail, it's a shambles of a company.

    Source: I work for it.

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  • Location: Leeds/Bradford border, 185 metres above sea level, around 600 feet
  • Location: Leeds/Bradford border, 185 metres above sea level, around 600 feet

    Royal Mail won't know what's going to happen to Royal Mail, it's a shambles of a company.

    Source: I work for it.

     

    Did you take the shares when it was sold? I had a friend who worked there and he speculated that there was significant room for future automation to increase profits.

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  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level
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  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level

    If Scotland goes independent, how will say a criminal be dealt who commits a crime in one country and is found in another?

    Will they have to be extradiction procedures?

    What happens to say the Royal Mail in Scotland? Scottish Royal Mail?

     

     

    criminal things will stay the same scottish laws are different from English laws already which I know first hand and the border will still be an open border so cross country support will stay in place  

     

    the royal mail will be put back under public ownership

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  • Location: Stockport
  • Location: Stockport

    Did you take the shares when it was sold? I had a friend who worked there and he speculated that there was significant room for future automation to increase profits.

    Yes. I bought my full £10K allowance. Sold them after floatation for over 5k profit. Edited by March Blizzard
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