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  • Location: Hayward’s Heath - home, Brighton/East Grinstead - work.
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  • Location: Hayward’s Heath - home, Brighton/East Grinstead - work.

    Who exactly are there paradise seekers? I live here, have talked to lots of people of both Yes and No inclination and I've not met one who expects paradise. The reality is that the UK/Scotland currently does enjoy a lifestyle that much of the world would envy though. Yes there are problems with inequality, foodbanks etc that must be addressed but in reality the vast bulk of things are likely to remain relatively unchanged.

     

    In the same vein, I don't believe the picture of a desolate wasteland full of empty office blocks and crumbling hospitals that the No campaign are currently punting.

     

    For me personally, at least try to address inequality, stop spending billions of Trident and Offense (Defence I'm fine with), protect the NHS and free education, invest in renewables and most of all allow Scotland to decide which idiots govern it. Give me that and I'll be happy, even if I personally have to pay a little more for it. I'm not after a free set of gold-plated taps for my bathroom, that's for sure!

    That's laughable! At some point if some one keeps throwing missiles at you, you can't expect to keep taking them - you will have to go out and deal with them -yes offensively - so you can't have one without the other!

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    And that ignorant, offensive, rant sums up exactly why the YES campaign failed  

    Good god. What a load of boarish spiteful bile from bad losers has been posted during the night. I actually dread to think how Scotland would be run if this is representative of how the yes vote behav

    I'm disappointed in the lack of grace shown by some across the net in accepting this No vote. A complete lack of any empathy and understanding as to why fellow Scots didn't vote Yes.   I personally

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  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level
  • Weather Preferences: dry sunny average summers and really cold snowy winters
  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level

    Yeah labour did a great job of handing out millions of pounds of welfare payments thus creating lots of lazy ass people milking the benefits system. Socialism!!! - christ no thanks, quickest way to ruin a country that is.

     

     

    labour is a kid on we are a socialist party why do you think they are stood with the tories they are no better than them the YES campaigning want to make sure we have real investment for jobs and to take employment down that's real socialism not the kid on kind

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  • Location: Longlevens, 16m ASL / Bradley Stoke, 75m ASL
  • Weather Preferences: Hot sunny summers, cold snowy winters
  • Location: Longlevens, 16m ASL / Bradley Stoke, 75m ASL

    Aah those evil Unionists have infiltrated the Spanish and bribed them to speak untruths

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  • Location: Hayward’s Heath - home, Brighton/East Grinstead - work.
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  • Location: Hayward’s Heath - home, Brighton/East Grinstead - work.

    Best just ignore that if you are a Yes voter. Another scaremongering story.

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  • Location: Sunderland
  • Weather Preferences: Hot Summer, Snowy winter and thunderstorms all year round!
  • Location: Sunderland

    alex salmond has said on several occasions through this if the people could come out and guarantee him this would be a YES vote that he himself would stand down so how is that power hungry

    and you believe that load of old pony?......a politician actually keeping his word, especially a politician with the 'keys to the kingdom' about to be seemingly handed to him?.......oops, I have to dash to the toilet, I've just wet myself laughing!  :laugh:

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  • Location: NR LOURDES SW FRANCE
  • Location: NR LOURDES SW FRANCE

    I said a while ago not to trust the Spanish government as they say one thing one day and something else another. The propensity for an independent Scotland to be used as a political football by some EU members shouldn't be ignored.

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  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level
  • Weather Preferences: dry sunny average summers and really cold snowy winters
  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level

    last time I was in Norway I paid £8 for a pint!!! Cheers! :drinks: 

     

     

    so you would rather live in a crap country with a crap lifestyle just to get a cheap pint.

     

    what do they get paid in wages in Norway plus how would you know its not policy to keep down social problems through drink related offenses or strain through drink on health care there could be many things that mean a pint is that price.

     

    I saw a thing from America about crap wages in mcdonalds and they were talking about Denmark where they get double the wages but the big mac is only 41 cents dearer than an American one when taken at exchange rate

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  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level
  • Weather Preferences: dry sunny average summers and really cold snowy winters
  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level

    Aah those evil Unionists have infiltrated the Spanish and bribed them to speak untruths

     

     

    no but your talking about an article in an extremely pro union paper and you telling me that papers never lie I will still stand by what I heard on the telly from a proper MEP

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  • Location: Carryduff, County Down 420ft ASL
  • Location: Carryduff, County Down 420ft ASL

    Best just ignore that if you are a Yes voter. Another scaremongering story.

    Oh right. I'm sure she will be popular with the Spanish fishing fleet when they have no access to Scottish waters.

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  • Location: Tullynessle/Inverurie
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  • Location: Tullynessle/Inverurie

    That's laughable! At some point if some one keeps throwing missiles at you, you can't expect to keep taking them - you will have to go out and deal with them -yes offensively - so you can't have one without the other!

     

    So who exactly is likely to be throwing missiles at Scotland? Maybe I worded it poorly. I'm OK with Scotland having good defense forces, which will always have an element of offensive capability. What I'm not fine with is a future Scottish government taking an overtly offensive military stance in the world. If you keep going out and lobbing missiles at people in the middle east like the UK seems to want to do all the time then don't be shocked if someone decides to sneak a bomb onto the Tube, a bus or a shopping center. Or, without attempting to be insensitive, chopping some poor innocent blokes head off.

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  • Location: Hayward’s Heath - home, Brighton/East Grinstead - work.
  • Weather Preferences: Snow and storms
  • Location: Hayward’s Heath - home, Brighton/East Grinstead - work.

    Oh right. I'm sure she will be popular with the Spanish fishing fleet when they have no access to Scottish waters.

    I'm sure the Spanish fishermen are trembling at the thought of entering the defenceless Scottish waters.....

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  • Location: Duddingston, Edinburgh
  • Location: Duddingston, Edinburgh

    I said a while ago not to trust the Spanish government as they say one thing one day and something else another. The propensity for an independent Scotland to be used as a political football by some EU members shouldn't be ignored.

     

    Its also Barroso, Van Rompuy and an Italian politician named in the article

     

    It seems to me Salmond has this view that an iScotland will get a CU and will also get fast tracked entry to the EU with no obligations (i.e. the Euro) - neither of which seem (to me at least) to be remotely likely

     

    You sort of wonder if their view has been the Euro all along but they cant say that as they know its a vote killer. Joining the EU with the Euro under the restrictions that would mandate would imply less independence than we have now. Im still hoping for Devo-Max (and wish the idiotic Tories had put it on the paper to start with)

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  • Location: Inbhir Nis / Inverness - 636 ft asl
  • Weather Preferences: Freezing fog, frost, snow, sunshine.
  • Location: Inbhir Nis / Inverness - 636 ft asl

    3 polls n their way apparently?

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  • Location: Clayton-Le-Woods, Chorley 59m asl.
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  • Location: Clayton-Le-Woods, Chorley 59m asl.

    I just found out there is a ICM poll coming out tonight at 9pm I think.  Its on the BBC Referendum Live.

     

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-scotland-29216377

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  • Location: Inbhir Nis / Inverness - 636 ft asl
  • Weather Preferences: Freezing fog, frost, snow, sunshine.
  • Location: Inbhir Nis / Inverness - 636 ft asl

    TNS due out any minute.

    ICM at 9

    Daily Mail 10:30

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  • Location: Longlevens, 16m ASL / Bradley Stoke, 75m ASL
  • Weather Preferences: Hot sunny summers, cold snowy winters
  • Location: Longlevens, 16m ASL / Bradley Stoke, 75m ASL

    no but your talking about an article in an extremely pro union paper and you telling me that papers never lie I will still stand by what I heard on the telly from a proper MEP

    Have you read the article, I suspect not.

     

    Its not just Spain either, Germany is not going to be too keen on easy entry for Scotland lest it encourage Barvaria to seek independence.

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  • Location: Clayton-Le-Woods, Chorley 59m asl.
  • Weather Preferences: very cold frosty days, blizzards, very hot weather, floods, storms
  • Location: Clayton-Le-Woods, Chorley 59m asl.

    TNS poll suggests 63% of people in England and Wales want Scotland to vote No. 18% are in favour of a Yes vote, 19% unsure. This poll is just for England.

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  • Location: Inbhir Nis / Inverness - 636 ft asl
  • Weather Preferences: Freezing fog, frost, snow, sunshine.
  • Location: Inbhir Nis / Inverness - 636 ft asl

    Have you read the article, I suspect not.

     

    Its not just Spain either, Germany is not going to be too keen on easy entry for Scotland lest it encourage Barvaria to seek independence.

    Care to explain that one seeing as the call for Bavarian independence is pretty much non existent? Some polls / election results / statements from the German government?

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  • Location: Sunderland
  • Weather Preferences: Hot Summer, Snowy winter and thunderstorms all year round!
  • Location: Sunderland

    for what it's worth, my honest thoughts are that in the event of a yes vote on thursday, both the Scottish Parliament & Westminster actually work together over the next 18 months to ensure that an Independent Scotland has every chance of long lasting prosperity, and cast iron policies are introduced to ensure close & mutually beneficial relationships between the nations are carried forward to enable the nations to prosper socially and economically........and not as I fear, spending the next 18 months fighting over 'who gets what' and bitter squabbling 

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  • Location: Inbhir Nis / Inverness - 636 ft asl
  • Weather Preferences: Freezing fog, frost, snow, sunshine.
  • Location: Inbhir Nis / Inverness - 636 ft asl

    TNS poll suggests 63% of people in England and Wales want Scotland to vote No. 18% are in favour of a Yes vote, 19% unsure. This poll is just for England.

    Any Scottish figures?

    for what it's worth, my honest thoughts are that in the event of a yes vote on thursday, both the Scottish Parliament & Westminster actually work together over the next 18 months to ensure that an Independent Scotland has every chance of long lasting prosperity, and cast iron policies are introduced to ensure close & mutually beneficial relationships between the nations are carried forward to enable the nations to prosper socially and economically........and not as I fear, spending the next 18 months fighting over 'who gets what' and bitter squabbling

    Could not possibly agree more. Very well said.

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  • Location: Clayton-Le-Woods, Chorley 59m asl.
  • Weather Preferences: very cold frosty days, blizzards, very hot weather, floods, storms
  • Location: Clayton-Le-Woods, Chorley 59m asl.

    Any Scottish figures?

     

     

    Nope.

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  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level
  • Weather Preferences: dry sunny average summers and really cold snowy winters
  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level

    and you believe that load of old pony?......a politician actually keeping his word, especially a politician with the 'keys to the kingdom' about to be seemingly handed to him?.......oops, I have to dash to the toilet, I've just wet myself laughing!  :laugh:

     

     

    or we could turn that around and we should all be laughing our heads off at you lot because its you lot that are sitting back being taken in by the same old crap believing that's the best that can be done for you

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  • Location: Inbhir Nis / Inverness - 636 ft asl
  • Weather Preferences: Freezing fog, frost, snow, sunshine.
  • Location: Inbhir Nis / Inverness - 636 ft asl

    Nope.

    Amazed out how many "don't care" in the figures. Goes to show life will continue!

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  • Location: Stockport
  • Location: Stockport

    Its also Barroso, Van Rompuy and an Italian politician named in the article

     

    It seems to me Salmond has this view that an iScotland will get a CU and will also get fast tracked entry to the EU with no obligations (i.e. the Euro) - neither of which seem (to me at least) to be remotely likely

     

    You sort of wonder if their view has been the Euro all along but they cant say that as they know its a vote killer. Joining the EU with the Euro under the restrictions that would mandate would imply less independence than we have now. Im still hoping for Devo-Max (and wish the idiotic Tories had put it on the paper to start with)

     

    They were in between a rock and a hard place on this, I feel. Offering Scotland more devolution would have been a hard sell to the English electorate, who currently enjoy none. As "No" looked like achieving a solid win when the ballot paper options were made the government probably thought they could get the best of both worlds i.e.  "keeping" Scotland without offering more powers and keeping the English voter sweet. As it happens, now that "Yes" suddenly looks like a threat to the Union they have suddenly scrambled to offer a form of Devo-max should the Scottish voters promise to vote "no", igniting a new debate surrounding English devolution anyway.

     

    Their gamble has failed, I don't think a "Devo-max" option was refused exclusively to avoid devolving more powers to Holyrood, they would have had one eye on the potential backlash such an offer would have induced across the rest of the UK.

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  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level
  • Weather Preferences: dry sunny average summers and really cold snowy winters
  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level

    I'm sure the Spanish fishermen are trembling at the thought of entering the defenceless Scottish waters.....

     

     

    they will when there sued for fishing in territories that they aren't allowed to be in

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