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  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level
  • Weather Preferences: dry sunny average summers and really cold snowy winters
  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level

    BUS, this is all political soundbites. DWP won't be paying pensions any more, will lose all involvement after Independence - Scottish Government have to fund all pensions from 2016 onwards. By start-up costs I mean the cost of replicating what DWP currently does for the whole UK, in Scotland as well. New offices, new (expensive) IT, new employees; all to be funded within Scotland. And the concern about the ageing population is just that - all of those pensioners' pensions being paid for by fewer young people's efforts.

     

     

    we already have all these offices in Scotland the office in Scotland deals with pensions and stuff even in the north of England so I don't see where these start up costs are going to come from when the infrastructure is still there and your right the Scottish government will take them over and pay them from the taxes paid that day, week or year nothing will change just Scottish government taking responsibility for making the payment instead of the UK and with independence we can run our economy to suit us and create more jobs in Scotland so less young people leaving remember before thatcher Scotland had a 1% unemployment rate and great employment figures and we will get back to that

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    And that ignorant, offensive, rant sums up exactly why the YES campaign failed  

    Good god. What a load of boarish spiteful bile from bad losers has been posted during the night. I actually dread to think how Scotland would be run if this is representative of how the yes vote behav

    I'm disappointed in the lack of grace shown by some across the net in accepting this No vote. A complete lack of any empathy and understanding as to why fellow Scots didn't vote Yes.   I personally

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  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level
  • Weather Preferences: dry sunny average summers and really cold snowy winters
  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level

    I think all of us forum members south of the border have thought about that BUS simply because you won't stop ramming the Westminster lies stuff' down our throats... it's frankly getting very tedious. As I mentioned several days ago, I honestly respect your views, some of which I totally agree with, but this is supposed to be a discussion and debate and from what I see there is no debate from you, it's 'yes' is right and everything else is wrong....it's nowhere near as black and white as you infer

     

     

    well lets see do we believe

     

    Westminster who take money from the people while sitting back watching bankers and companies getting rich

     

    Scottish government who with very limited powers and money gives the people everything they possibly can

     

    I will believe the Scottish government and have no reason to doubt anything they say they are working for us.

     

    that's the difference

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  • Location: Calgary, Canada (1230m asl)
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  • Location: Calgary, Canada (1230m asl)

    Depends on what the rate of Scottish fuel duty will be, but wrong to automatically think fuel will be cheaper, it isn't in Norway for example.

     

     

     

    Once again, using Norway as an example, they have a massive oil fund - largely because they don't spend it! This year they are expected to reach 2.8% which is below the the 4% spending limit and the current government are under pressure within their own ranks to make large tax cuts next year. This is not the same as dishing out the cash to anyone that wants some - the fund is worth over £100,000 per head but of course it's not anyone's to take and spend as they please.

     

    Did I say it would be cheaper? :)

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  • Location: Kingdom of Fife: 56.2º N, 3.2º W
  • Location: Kingdom of Fife: 56.2º N, 3.2º W

    well lets see do we believe

     

    Westminster who take money from the people while sitting back watching bankers and companies getting rich

     

    Scottish government who with very limited powers and money gives the people everything they possibly can

     

    I will believe the Scottish government and have no reason to doubt anything they say they are working for us.

     

    that's the difference

    Also,because we have PR there are more checks and balances and Holyrood is closer to the people. Much easier to smack someone on the nose (figuratively) than FPTP down in Westminster

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  • Location: Inbhir Nis / Inverness - 636 ft asl
  • Weather Preferences: Freezing fog, frost, snow, sunshine.
  • Location: Inbhir Nis / Inverness - 636 ft asl

    Here is a question - As this is a UK weather website will it be dropping Scotland from the main page if it gets independence?  Would they still get a regional thread?

    The UK weather stats are about to become a little less interesting as it drops Scotland :p

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  • Location: Near Newton Abbot or east Dartmoor, Devon
  • Location: Near Newton Abbot or east Dartmoor, Devon

    here is a question for everyone south of the border seen as we keep getting posed questions.

     

     

    who genuinely doesn't want us to leave the uk through love for Scotland and who is a bit jealous that we may actually have a better lifestyle from it or are scared what might happen to them?

     

    jealous is rather strong I know but I haven't slept and cant be bothered thinking of another word if someone thinks of one feel free to replace it.

     

    I don't like to think the Scots are selfish money and resource grabbers.

     

    I don't like to think there will be two nations on one, small, island. Well, one nation and a quasi-nation.

     

    And I really can't stand nationalism, especially disguised nationalism.

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  • Location: Now moved to tropical Bradford on Avon
  • Weather Preferences: Cold, snow and summer heatwaves.
  • Location: Now moved to tropical Bradford on Avon

    well lets see do we believe

     

    Westminster who take money from the people while sitting back watching bankers and companies getting rich

     

    Scottish government who with very limited powers and money gives the people everything they possibly can

     

    I will believe the Scottish government and have no reason to doubt anything they say they are working for us.

     

    that's the difference

     

    I know Alex Salmond is like mother Theresa :angel: and those English are just evil :diablo:  swindlers :rofl:

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  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level
  • Weather Preferences: dry sunny average summers and really cold snowy winters
  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level

    The UK weather stats are about to become a little less interesting as it drops Scotland :p

     

     

    aye defo less snow and rain although in previous years the south have bucked the rainfall trend

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  • Location: Now moved to tropical Bradford on Avon
  • Weather Preferences: Cold, snow and summer heatwaves.
  • Location: Now moved to tropical Bradford on Avon

    aye defo less snow and rain although in previous years the south have bucked the rainfall trend

     

    especially Somerset :wallbash:

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  • Location: Calgary, Canada (1230m asl)
  • Weather Preferences: Wind driven falling snow
  • Location: Calgary, Canada (1230m asl)

    I don't like to think the Scots are selfish money and resource grabbers.

     

    I don't like to think there will be two nations on one, small, island. Well, one nation and a quasi-nation.

     

    And I really can't stand nationalism, especially disguised nationalism.

     

    Even British nationalism?

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  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level
  • Weather Preferences: dry sunny average summers and really cold snowy winters
  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level

    I don't like to think the Scots are selfish money and resource grabbers.

     

    I don't like to think there will be two nations on one, small, island. Well, one nation and a quasi-nation.

     

    And I really can't stand nationalism, especially disguised nationalism.

     

     

    your a british nationalist are you not whats the difference.

     

    the post in question that you responded to was a genuine question I was simply wondering if people were trying to talk us out of voting YES through love for Scotland or if there was another reason as up till now I have never seen so many people in the rest of the UK bother about us they don't bother when we get a rough deal so why now and that was all I was wondering

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  • Location: Pershore
  • Location: Pershore

    Here is a question - As this is a UK weather website will it be dropping Scotland from the main page if it gets independence?  Would they still get a regional thread?

     

    Should the vote be a yes we'll not be dropping any Scottish forecasts / threads etc, but will distinguish between UK and Scotland more on the site etc. We've no firm/structured plans in terms of how we may do that currently as we're just planning around the possibility.

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  • Location: Maddiston , Falkirk, Scotland 390ft above sea level
  • Location: Maddiston , Falkirk, Scotland 390ft above sea level

    Without nationalism there can be no internationalism. Seems to me British is legitimate but Scottish is nationalistic according to some on here.

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  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level
  • Weather Preferences: dry sunny average summers and really cold snowy winters
  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level

    especially Somerset :wallbash:

     

     

    aye no half but hopefully the dredging that has been going on will help you lot out its never nice to see people having there homes flooded out and personal thing destroyed especially when its going on around Christmas time although no matter what time of year its still an awful thing

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  • Location: Kingdom of Fife: 56.2º N, 3.2º W
  • Location: Kingdom of Fife: 56.2º N, 3.2º W

    I don't like to think the Scots are selfish money and resource grabbers.

     

    I don't like to think there will be two nations on one, small, island. Well, one nation and a quasi-nation.

     

    And I really can't stand nationalism, especially disguised nationalism.

    Rydhsys rag Kernow lemmyn!

     

    lol. I know you to be sincere and passionate about the UK and some forms of Nationalisim have nasty overtones. All Scotland has ever wanted was a fair crack and we patently have not had it over the 50 years I have lived here.

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  • Location: Central Falkirk
  • Location: Central Falkirk

    I could move to Spain and my current UK  pension would be paid by the DWP, why would an Indy Scotland be any different. OK, they might consider it frozen (much the same as anyone living in the US or Oz) but they will still pay it because I qualified for a UK State pension.

    ...which will henceforth be paid by Scottish Government, because you'll no longer be (only) a UK citizen. The agreement is that SG will take over responsibility for all Scottish Pensions for those living in Scotland at Independence. So they'll pay even if you go down to live in England. DWP will be out of the picture entirely, except for those from rUK who emigrate to Scotland after Independence, which they'll pay in exactly the same way as UK pensioners in Spain.

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  • Location: Near Newton Abbot or east Dartmoor, Devon
  • Location: Near Newton Abbot or east Dartmoor, Devon

    Even British nationalism?

     

    Especially!

     

    Read what I post! I talk about 'these islands' for a reason.

     

    I can think of few things good about nationalism. Nationalism = selfishness, resource grabbing, flag waving, chanting, superiority, division, duplication, blinkers, closed minds..  

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  • Location: Inbhir Nis / Inverness - 636 ft asl
  • Weather Preferences: Freezing fog, frost, snow, sunshine.
  • Location: Inbhir Nis / Inverness - 636 ft asl

    I don't like to think the Scots are selfish money and resource grabbers.

     

    I don't like to think there will be two nations on one, small, island. Well, one nation and a quasi-nation.

     

    And I really can't stand nationalism, especially disguised nationalism.

    1: most of the discourse surrounding independence is for sharing wealth more equally. Hence how the socialists and greens also support yes. I'm voting yes for this exact reason.

    2: The argument on geography is a bit weak. Also, Scotland will be a nation in pretty much all senses both philosophically and legally.

    3: Recent polls suggest that national identity is most important to No voters, so if you're looking to critique hidden nationalism, you might want to start there.

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  • Location: Near Newton Abbot or east Dartmoor, Devon
  • Location: Near Newton Abbot or east Dartmoor, Devon

    your a british nationalist are you not whats the difference.

     

    the post in question that you responded to was a genuine question I was simply wondering if people were trying to talk us out of voting YES through love for Scotland or if there was another reason as up till now I have never seen so many people in the rest of the UK bother about us they don't bother when we get a rough deal so why now and that was all I was wondering

     

    No I am not!

     

    I am here because I think it's bizarre we should choose to spilt the one main island of these islands into two. To duplicate things. To divide things. To enhance and make concrete all the things Scots have complained about. I just find it utterly bizarre. I find the selfishness of Yes while at the same time claiming to be left leaning bizarre as well.

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  • Location: Inbhir Nis / Inverness - 636 ft asl
  • Weather Preferences: Freezing fog, frost, snow, sunshine.
  • Location: Inbhir Nis / Inverness - 636 ft asl

    Should the vote be a yes we'll not be dropping any Scottish forecasts / threads etc, but will distinguish between UK and Scotland more on the site etc. We've no firm/structured plans in terms of how we may do that currently as we're just planning around the possibility.

    It seems the good folk at Netweather have evidently put more thought into it than the complacent establishment at Westminster. Good work!

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  • Location: Near Newton Abbot or east Dartmoor, Devon
  • Location: Near Newton Abbot or east Dartmoor, Devon

    1: most of the discourse surrounding independence is for sharing wealth more equally. Hence how the socialists and greens also support yes. I'm voting yes for this exact reason.

    2: The argument on geography is a bit weak. Also, Scotland will be a nation in pretty much all senses both philosophically and legally.

    3: Recent polls suggest that national identity is most important to No voters, so if you're looking to critique hidden nationalism, you might want to start there.

     

    In what way will Scotland share it's resources with the rest of these islands in a better way if it's independent? I can read posts here you  know, Yes want to make money not share!

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  • Location: Inbhir Nis / Inverness - 636 ft asl
  • Weather Preferences: Freezing fog, frost, snow, sunshine.
  • Location: Inbhir Nis / Inverness - 636 ft asl

    No I am not!

     

    I am here because I think it's bizarre we should choose to spilt the one main island of these islands into two. To duplicate things. To divide things. To enhance and make concrete all the things Scots have complained about. I just find it utterly bizarre. I find the selfishness of Yes while at the same time claiming to be left leaning bizarre as well.

    We'd better tell Spain and Portugal to unite just because of the happy coincidence of shared geography through the Iberian peninsula. And Scandinavia. And countless others.

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  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level
  • Weather Preferences: dry sunny average summers and really cold snowy winters
  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level

    I know Alex Salmond is like mother Theresa :angel: and those English are just evil :diablo:  swindlers :rofl:

     

     

    I'm by no way saying he is a saint or English are evil just Westminster but I would tend to believe salmond and co more due to there past history in power.

     

    a lot of the things I talk about in here doesn't all come from the YES side I am out of work just now so I have had the chance to watch everything on the telly and also do my own investigations online with all my free time and also some of the stuff I have been sent is from labour MP's so no ties to the SNP I know people think I am blindly trusting the YES campaign but that couldn't be further from the truth I trust what I have looked into myself through proper lines of enquiry.

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  • Location: Calgary, Canada (1230m asl)
  • Weather Preferences: Wind driven falling snow
  • Location: Calgary, Canada (1230m asl)

    Especially!

     

    Read what I post! I talk about 'these islands' for a reason.

     

    I can think of few things good about nationalism. Nationalism = selfishness, resource grabbing, flag waving, chanting, superiority, division, duplication, blinkers, closed minds..  

     

    Chill buddy, it was only a wee question, no need for a "Read what I post!" reaction.

     

    Is it not human nature to be tribalistic? In the modern world that has morphed into nationalism.

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