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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    I read some of them and after " Independence could ruin our crippled ship yards," I feared for my sanity.

    If you really want to see some drivel, visit:

    http://www.labourhame.com/

    I can't wait until we have some decent opposition parties - it seems that will only occur if we vote 'YES'.

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    And that ignorant, offensive, rant sums up exactly why the YES campaign failed  

    Good god. What a load of boarish spiteful bile from bad losers has been posted during the night. I actually dread to think how Scotland would be run if this is representative of how the yes vote behav

    I'm disappointed in the lack of grace shown by some across the net in accepting this No vote. A complete lack of any empathy and understanding as to why fellow Scots didn't vote Yes.   I personally

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  • Location: Carryduff, County Down 420ft ASL
  • Location: Carryduff, County Down 420ft ASL

    I had to chuckle when Dave walked in too meet Alex.

    When DC sits down to speak to AS, behind The First Minister is a big picture of the election map of Scotland. I think DC clocked it as he went in as well.

    Listening to Cameron and is was clear he doesn;t have a clue what the average Scot wants.

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  • Location: Hobart, Tasmania
  • Location: Hobart, Tasmania

    Is the education curriculum in Scotland independent enough to express Scottish history from a strong- leaning Scottish perspective? Or is it watered down.

    I think if it was, there would be a better chance of a referendum vote on Scottish independence succeeding. Despite economic concerns, ( or threats ).

    This is just a thought I have, I have just finished reading a novel based on historical events there.

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  • Location: Odiham, Hampshire
  • Location: Odiham, Hampshire

    I see this Indep vote a bit like a 16y/o boy boasting that as soon as he's 18 it'll be two fingers up to mum and dad, I'm off. However, when he reaches 18 and push comes to shove he decides

    he's having none of it, preferring to remain in the safe, ample bosom of the family, while at the same time using his threat to leave as a way of negociating some better conditions.

    To my mind Salmond is already thinking along these lines. He's well aware that most Scots are canny enough to know how generously Westminster butters their bread, so the next two years or

    so will be all about just how much more power the wee man can get devolved to holyrood, rather than serious expectation of full independence.

    On a lighter note, one thing the Scots should carefully consider is as an independent oil producing country, they are putting themsleves at risk from invasion and occupation by the US - especially

    in light of their continued build up of Whiskies of Mass Destruction!

    An excellent analogy shedhead.

    The Scottish people need to show some courage when they get the chance to decide upon Independence and vote YES. If they don't, then it doesn't matter how many powers are devolved, Scotland will still effectively be ruled by England. There are an increasing number of people, particularly in England, who want the Scots to 'cut the apron strings', to show some courage and to stop hiding behind empty rhetoric.

    You can do it Scotland. Vote YES. If you do, you will be a proper nation state for the first time in over 300 years.

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    The Scottish people need to show some courage when they get the chance to decide upon Independence and vote YES.

    Thanks for your support and encouragement mate. Much appreciated. :good:

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    Labour problems spread to South Lanarkshire...

    http://www.ruthergle...63227-30331338/

    Labour stalwarts resign over selection procedures

    TWO South Lanarkshire Labour stalwarts have resigned – following a row over procedures to select candidates for the forthcoming council elections in May.

    The party’s South Lanarkshire local government committee chairman Peter McKeown and secretary George Livingstone stepped down from the selection process.

    Insiders say they, and other committee members, were at odds with national party bosses over eligibility rules for potential candidates.

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    Group of unelected aristocrats, including a selection of convicted criminals, make decisions on Scotlands constitutional future

    http://www.bbc.co.uk...litics-17064847

    The Lords constitution committee found an option of "devolution max", giving more tax powers to Holyrood, would set up "competing" systems within the UK.

    It raised doubts over whether Scotland should be allowed to make such a move.

    Have they still have not worked out what the whole 'Devo Maxx' red herring is about? The SNP don't want it and never have - they simply placed it on the table to allow Scots to watch what would happen.

    Is the education curriculum in Scotland independent enough to express Scottish history from a strong- leaning Scottish perspective? Or is it watered down.

    I think if it was, there would be a better chance of a referendum vote on Scottish independence succeeding. Despite economic concerns, ( or threats ).

    This is just a thought I have, I have just finished reading a novel based on historical events there.

    Neither Scots languages (Lowland Scots, Gaelic) nor Scottish history/literature have historically been taught in Scotland. However, there is flexibility in the curriculum and if you got a good teacher, you might well have been taught some of these.

    The SNP are working to include elements of both into the curriculum to correct this anomaly.

    However, really it is only recent history that is of major importance to the current debate, i.e. post-WWII/end of the empire, which is when Scotland started looking to go it's own way like Ireland but the UK worked to scupper that. The 70's (e.g. overruled 1979 Yes vote for devolution) onwards is most relevant.

    Much of it is secret - i.e. the release of records of devolution debates ahead of 1997 at Westminster have been blocked as 'not in the public interest', presumably as the UK government does not wish it to be known that it never intended to give devolution, but had to under intense pressure from the EU.

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  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

    I rather liked AS's comment.

    Mr Cameron laid out the “emotional and pragmatic†case for the Union. But he also used a speech in Edinburgh to hold out the prospect of the Scotland Bill, now going through Westminster, being overtaken by further future devolution.

    Mr Salmond drew a unflattering parallel between Mr Cameron’s remarks and a promise made by the former Conservative Prime Minister Sir Alec Douglas-Home, before the 1979 devolution referendum, that an incoming Tory government would make a better offer to Scots than Labour. That pledge was later ditched by Mrs Thatcher.

    “We’ve been through this before in Scottish politics. What’s the old saying, ‘Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me’? Scotland, I don’t believe, will be fooled twice.â€

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    “We’ve been through this before in Scottish politics. What’s the old saying, ‘Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me’? Scotland, I don’t believe, will be fooled twice.â€

    With Westminster politicians, it is always 'Jam tomorrow'; that of course does not apply solely in Scotland's case, but for the whole of the UK.

    I do find it strange that it is those who advocate 'standing on your own two feet/self reliance/paying your own way/not being subsidised by the state' (=Scottish independence/FFA/Devo Maxx) - the Tories - who are most against those very same principles.

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  • Location: Ancrum
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    Because they know that they need the money that comes from our oil and our whisky. If we really did cost them as much as they say we do, they would've got shot of us years ago. I love Alec Salmond, he's a saint in this house. And I was in stitches at the tv coverage of him meeting Cameron - he looked like a very genial cat who just found a nice wee mouse to talk to LOL

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  • Location: Leeds/Bradford border, 185 metres above sea level, around 600 feet
  • Location: Leeds/Bradford border, 185 metres above sea level, around 600 feet

    Labour problems spread to South Lanarkshire...

    http://www.ruthergle...63227-30331338/

    Labour stalwarts resign over selection procedures

    TWO South Lanarkshire Labour stalwarts have resigned – following a row over procedures to select candidates for the forthcoming council elections in May.

    The party’s South Lanarkshire local government committee chairman Peter McKeown and secretary George Livingstone stepped down from the selection process.

    Insiders say they, and other committee members, were at odds with national party bosses over eligibility rules for potential candidates.

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    Group of unelected aristocrats, including a selection of convicted criminals, make decisions on Scotlands constitutional future

    http://www.bbc.co.uk...litics-17064847

    The Lords constitution committee found an option of "devolution max", giving more tax powers to Holyrood, would set up "competing" systems within the UK.

    It raised doubts over whether Scotland should be allowed to make such a move.

    Have they still have not worked out what the whole 'Devo Maxx' red herring is about? The SNP don't want it and never have - they simply placed it on the table to allow Scots to watch what would happen.

    Neither Scots languages (Lowland Scots, Gaelic) nor Scottish history/literature have historically been taught in Scotland. However, there is flexibility in the curriculum and if you got a good teacher, you might well have been taught some of these.

    The SNP are working to include elements of both into the curriculum to correct this anomaly.

    However, really it is only recent history that is of major importance to the current debate, i.e. post-WWII/end of the empire, which is when Scotland started looking to go it's own way like Ireland but the UK worked to scupper that. The 70's (e.g. overruled 1979 Yes vote for devolution) onwards is most relevant.

    Much of it is secret - i.e. the release of records of devolution debates ahead of 1997 at Westminster have been blocked as 'not in the public interest', presumably as the UK government does not wish it to be known that it never intended to give devolution, but had to under intense pressure from the EU.

    To be fair there is really no reason to teach a Scottish language and resources would be much better spent in teaching English, French and German. All teaching a Scottish language would do is waste money appeasing some extreme nationalists and further culturally divide Scotland from the UK which is not in my opinion where we want to be headed independent or not.

    Scottish history however should be taught but history as ever should only be an option rather than a core subject at higher levels.

    Also after reading about the SNP plans ect.. It seems to me as if you are not really voting on full independence but extreme federalization because you will retain monetary union with the UK and then possibly the Euro.

    How many Labour resignations is that now since the New Year.

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    To be fair there is really no reason to teach a Scottish language and resources...

    How many Labour resignations is that now since the New Year.

    I think it would be nice to have the option re the languages. I'm not sure how learning the language of your own country could be divisive however? I understand it is quite standard for countries to teach their young their own language and then another useful one.

    Certainly, as a scientist/engineer, English is of course useful to me and I like to think I'm good at it. http://cdn.nwstatic.co.uk/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.png When speaking with the builders doing my extension, a good grasp of lowland scots is helpful too!

    RE Labour councillors - Must be more than one a week now! At least 10, one of these being a defection to the SNP. Glasgow is key - now only a majority of one.

    May will be very important; the collapse of Labour at council level in Scotland - which appears inevitable - will change things massively. There is every possibility that those supportive of independence within Labour (they are there, but fearful of speaking out against London policy, as Patrick Harvie of the Greens mentioned recently in the news) will come forward, splitting the party into pro and anti-camps. The pro would survive and prosper, the anti would not. If Labour voters find their party (or an element of it) supporting independence, they will swing that way too. Glasgow, their heartland, has a habit of returning majorities for yes in independence polls.

    Interesting times.

    EDIT. Oh, and of course, like you say, independence = Devo Max Excel. Just like devo max really, but with icing and a cherry on top. As 70% of Scots wish devo maxx min, you can see where this is going.....

    EDIT2. Another SNP membership spike again following Dave's visit. Over 130 signed up last night into this morning. Going to be some army come referendum campaign time. In contrast unionist party membership continues to decline steadily.

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  • Location: Leeds/Bradford border, 185 metres above sea level, around 600 feet
  • Location: Leeds/Bradford border, 185 metres above sea level, around 600 feet

    I still have to disagree in regards to the Scottish language. Like the Welsh language it is a callosal waste of public funds teaching it in schools (i have no objection to parents teaching it to their children like many asians learn Arabic) as it will never be spoken outside of a 200 mile radius and in a globalized world the future is a handful of languages (English, French, German - i suspect Mandarin will eventually lose flavor).

    Just because other countries doing it does not mean it is a good idea.

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    I still have to disagree in regards to the Scottish language.

    So we should just ignore scottish literature, for which a basic understanding of Scots is commonly required? This is more where I think it important and agree - along with 90% of Scots parents surveyed, that 'Scottish Studies' (language, history, culture, literature) be introduced as an option into the curriculum. The individual cultures and identities of nations/peoples are what makes the world interesting.

    People the world over sing in Scots at New Year. I have met quite a few who did not realise this - I asked them 'What language do you think you are singing in - Swahili?' http://cdn.nwstatic.co.uk/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.png

    Increasingly, meetings with clients of mine in Aberdeen involved a healthy dose of Scots - even French colleagues (e.g. from Total) are picking it up! It's nice to chat in your own language and harmless.

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  • Location: Rochester, Kent
  • Location: Rochester, Kent

    It's all rather easy, isn't it. Scotland - hold your referendum (soon!) vote for independence and leave. I know of not one Englishman who would oppose your right as a people to self-determination. We can settle the detail later, but in the meantime, we can stop this pointless rubbish. It's about self-determination, nothing else.

    Oh, and as I will be paying the BoE salaries, I will be voting to push Scotland into the Euro.

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  • Location: Maddiston , Falkirk, Scotland 390ft above sea level
  • Location: Maddiston , Falkirk, Scotland 390ft above sea level

    " I got some O'Grades when I wis sixteen. I can tell the difference between margarine and butter. But I can't understand why we let someone else rule oor land.Cap in hand" Simple ,concise and hits the nail on the heed!

    Charlie and Craig Reid

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    It's all rather easy, isn't it. Scotland - hold your referendum (soon!) vote for independence and leave. I know of not one Englishman who would oppose your right as a people to self-determination. We can settle the detail later, but in the meantime, we can stop this pointless rubbish. It's about self-determination, nothing else.

    Oh, and as I will be paying the BoE salaries, I will be voting to push Scotland into the Euro.

    Not sure what you mean by pointless rubbish? You mean UK politics? On that, I agree. If it is the thread - please don't feel obliged to read and post. There is a Uk politics thread, but as we have seperate health services, education, laws etc in Scotland, much of what is discussed there is not really relevant us; hence the Scottish Politics thread.

    Does the BoE (actually bank of the United Kingdom) not belong to Scotland too? Cool; that means Scotland would be debt free if independent as it would not be an equal successor state! Och damn, seals of both the Scottish and English Parliaments are on the Treaty of Union; well that's that scuppered!

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  • Location: Maddiston , Falkirk, Scotland 390ft above sea level
  • Location: Maddiston , Falkirk, Scotland 390ft above sea level

    Yes The Bank Of England is actually the Bank Of The UK. A lot of uneducted people are not aware that the Bank was set up by a Scotsman. They kept the Bank Of England name after the Act Of Union when it became the bank for the whole of the UK. The same way that Westminster became the British parliament. It was formely England's parliament. So the Bank of England was set up and funded by the whole of the UK. Most of this is irrelevent anyway as the bank was dererulated by Gordon Broon and is now independent. Interest rates cannot be controlled by Westminster now and this will be the same position for Scotland and England post independence. Yes there is a lot of deliberate mis-information flying around and it is mainly English and Scottish Unionists who peddle these half truths. Personally I would rather continue with the present bank for a few years then when things stabalise join the Euro or set up a Scottish currency. They might not say it but that is the SNP's long term objective and it is perfectly legitimate.

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  • Location: Leeds/Bradford border, 185 metres above sea level, around 600 feet
  • Location: Leeds/Bradford border, 185 metres above sea level, around 600 feet

    So we should just ignore scottish literature, for which a basic understanding of Scots is commonly required? This is more where I think it important and agree - along with 90% of Scots parents surveyed, that 'Scottish Studies' (language, history, culture, literature) be introduced as an option into the curriculum. The individual cultures and identities of nations/peoples are what makes the world interesting.

    People the world over sing in Scots at New Year. I have met quite a few who did not realise this - I asked them 'What language do you think you are singing in - Swahili?' http://cdn.nwstatic.co.uk/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.png

    Increasingly, meetings with clients of mine in Aberdeen involved a healthy dose of Scots - even French colleagues (e.g. from Total) are picking it up! It's nice to chat in your own language and harmless.

    No, i have nothing against Scottish literature or history, just the Scottish language.

    As interesting as it may be to chat, it's a waste of public money.

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    No, i have nothing against Scottish literature or history, just the Scottish language.

    As interesting as it may be to chat, it's a waste of public money.

    Yes, but I'm not sure how you can read Scottish literature if you can't understand the language.

    The words (one of the earliest versions anyway) to one of the most famous lamets in the world, played by numerous armies in remembrance of the fallen (below). It would be rather sad to play this in such situations if people could not understand the words anymore; they are crucial to why the song is used in the situation it is.

    I've heard the liltin at oor yowe-milkin,

    Lassies a-liltin before break o day

    Now there's a moanin on ilka green loanin -

    The Flooers o the Forest are a' wede awa

    At buchts, in the mornin, nae blythe lads are scornin,

    Lassies are lanely and dowie and wae

    Nae daffin, nae gabbin, but sighin and sabbin,

    The Flooers o the Forest are a' wede awa

    In hairst at the shearin, nae youths now are jeerin,

    Bandsters are lyart and runkled and gray

    At fair or at preachin, nae wooin, nae fleechin -

    The Flooers of the Forest are a' wede awa

    At e'en at the gloamin, nae ssemolinaies are roamin

    'Bout stacks wi the lassies at bogle tae play

    But ilk ane sits dreary, lamentin her deary -

    The Flooers of the Forest are a' wede awa

    Dule and wae for the order, sent oor lads to the Border

    The English, for aince, by guile wan the day

    The Flooers of the Forest, that focht aye the foremost

    The prime o our land, lie cauld in the clay

    We hear nae mair liltin at oor yowe-milkin

    Women and bairnies are heartless and wae

    Sighin and moanin on ilka green loanin -

    The Flooers of the Forest are a' wede awa

    As noted, I don't advocate we all start teaching Scots as a first language, but Scottish language, culture, literature, history are celebrated all over the world and are very important for the economy (tourism, film, novels...).

    God forbid we all become monotonous clones with nothing that distinguishes us. Imagine going to Spain and everyone just spoke English and ate fish and chips. Ok, having said that, I imagine some people actually like that (e.g. Benidorm).

    The music for the above. Treat with respect - it is only played at certain occasions. I imagine you will recognise it, certainly soldiers will.

    http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfsasAlICo8

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  • Location: Maddiston , Falkirk, Scotland 390ft above sea level
  • Location: Maddiston , Falkirk, Scotland 390ft above sea level

    No, i have nothing against Scottish literature or history, just the Scottish language.

    As interesting as it may be to chat, it's a waste of public money.

    But is that not what is wrong with our society everyone is concerned with the cost of everything rather than the value of anything. But if we get to the nub of your argument lets start by getting rid of nuclear weapons,Spending millions on wars in foreign lands with no end game, handing out peers to currupt and convicted politicions, how much money is going into london for the Olympics for a 4 week event! Is sport a waste of money! Are the arts a waste of money is culture not worth preserving? As soon as you go down this road then life itself becomes questionable. What is actually of any value if it is not ourselves and our history and culture. Without this life would be dull and empty.
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  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

    A son of a friend of mine got married in California a few years ago And she being a proud Scot decided on the full regalia. Well nearly. Despite the numerous Scottish Societies in the US she couldn't get a kilt for him in the States that met with her high standards. Whistle stop dash to Edinburgh. Appalling state of affairs. I'm not sure what this has to do with anything. Oh yes, culture.

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  • Location: Odiham, Hampshire
  • Location: Odiham, Hampshire

    Not sure what you mean by pointless rubbish? You mean UK politics? On that, I agree. If it is the thread - please don't feel obliged to read and post. There is a Uk politics thread, but as we have seperate health services, education, laws etc in Scotland, much of what is discussed there is not really relevant us; hence the Scottish Politics thread.

    Does the BoE (actually bank of the United Kingdom) not belong to Scotland too? Cool; that means Scotland would be debt free if independent as it would not be an equal successor state! Och damn, seals of both the Scottish and English Parliaments are on the Treaty of Union; well that's that scuppered!

    i think you're getting mixed up SS. What Boar is saying, is stop chuntering and get on with it. Most people in England either want the Scottish to have independence or couldn't care less. Scottish Independence will have virtually no impact on England. You should be concentrating your energies on the important questions such as what currency Scotland will have, and how could you ever hope to cope with the likes of RBS going bust if it was solely a Scottish bank.

    Why do you the Scottish care so much about the English, when they don't care about Scots.

    What currency would you advocate having? The Eurozone countries almost certainly won't allow anyone new to have the Euro and I would imagine the English will not allow you to use Sterling.

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    What currency would you advocate having? The Eurozone countries almost certainly won't allow anyone new to have the Euro and I would imagine the English will not allow you to use Sterling.

    You seem very misinformed and verging on the unpleasant. You apparently spend your time trolling (e.g. when you visited the Scottish thread and the mods deleted all your unpleasant posts) but you stand quite alone in that respect on this forum generally and certainly do not represent your countrymen in this respect in my experience.

    Firstly, this thread is not intended to 'annoy the English' or Welsh, or N. Irish for that matter which you seem to think it is? It is a thread about Scottish Politics, just as there is one about Westminster (UK) politics. If we assume that Scots are as interested in the weather and politics as our neighbours are, then we can assume that maybe ~8.4% of the people are on this forum live in Scotland. I presume they have a right to discuss the politics of what's happening at Holyrood just as much as people living in Wales have the right to chat about Welsh politics as people in England do about English politics? Do you disagree?

    Lots of people from other parts of the UK have visited this thread and e.g., asked questions, posted articles on Scottish politics (including yourself), suggesting they are interested in the subject, even if only in passing. Nobody is forced to read this thread or contribute to it. I hope those visiting have maybe learned some stuff they did not know – that was the intention and remains so, in addition to people living in Scotland discussing local politics.

    The fact that lots of people in England, Wales and N. Ireland - as you note - support the efforts of Scots to improve democracy in their country and stand on there own two feet financially is very welcome. We Scottish supporters of independence wish the best for the people of England, Wales and N. Ireland too. And yes, why should the way 8.4% of the people living in the British isles are governed matter to much to the rest? Well you'd need to ask Westminster politicians that; they seem dead against it for some reason. I'd say Scottish independence would mean England losing a surly lodger and gaining a friendly neighbour. It seems many of your countrymen agree going by the polls.

    Please note that the £ belongs to Scotland just as much as it does England; as does the Bank of the United Kingdom (BoE). Unless of course you are suggesting Scotland is not an equal successor state and so is a colony? In many ways, that would be a very good thing as under international law an independent Scotland would thus start out completely debt free and could still use the £; which is of course a fully tradable currency. I presume you have not delved much into economics? Or at least as much as George O* who made the same mistaken assumption? The same applies for the Euro - any country can use it if they wish. Montenegro is an example.

    I'm not sure why and independent Scotland would have needed to bail out Halifax (the owners of BOS) nor National Westminster and other English companies run by these plcs? If these banks had been based in Scotland, paying corporation tax to Holyrood, then I suppose those funds would have assisted in this. You are aware that many banks were bailed out jointly by countries based on asset bases? Dexia is a good example.

    Anyway, I assume since you don't care much about Scottish politics you won't be visiting this thread again? Or maybe you are for some reason really worked up about it and will keep popping in and giving us your pearls of wisdom? I presume the former to be the case.

    *Note that I can have a dig at Dave and George just as much as you can have a dig at, e.g. Ed. For the moment, Westminster does still control many aspects of Scotland's governance. Maybe that is what is peeing you off? I guess you vote Tory? Or maybe UKIP? It seems only old school Tories feel they have a god given right to tell everyone how best to do things. Why is that? Even in England, where they are quite popular, most people don’t vote for them.

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  • Location: Maddiston , Falkirk, Scotland 390ft above sea level
  • Location: Maddiston , Falkirk, Scotland 390ft above sea level

    The problem I have with these trolls making comments on here is how incredibly misinformed they are. I actually have to read the things they write to check it is not tongue and cheek. But no they really are pretty ignorant. I wil say this once more please listen. The bank of England is the British bank not the English bank. Furthermore it is now independent and is not answerable to Cameron or Salmond. It would not seek permission from England to allow Scotland to use Sterling this would be between Scotland and the bank not Scotland England and the bank. Have we nailed this one! Secondly why does it bother you that Scots want a thread to talk about Scottish politics. If ye dinnae like it keep yer nebb oot. I have no interest in a lot of threads in this site but would never dream of just writing deluded uneducated crapp just for the hell of it. Now do me a favour if you must comment on things please don't regurgitate the likes of Alan Unionist Tory Cochrane from the Torygraph. Go and actually find out the truth cause it will not be in the English press.

    Oh and please go and check where the RBS liabilities come from. 90% are outwith Scotland as RBS is a global bank.The UK government did not bail out Scotland it bailed out a Bank who's headquarters happened to be in Scotland.

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