Jump to content
Cold?
Local
Radar
Snow?

Scottish Politics 2011-2017


Recommended Posts

Posted
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    http://newsnetscotland.com/index.php/scottish-news/4310-salmond-locks-horns-with-bbc-as-patten-confirms-changes-to-how-corporation-covers-scottish-politics

    The BBC will be forced to change its approach to Scottish politics in the run up to the referendum, the Chair of the Corporation’s Trust has said.

    Lord Patten, who yesterday met with First Minister Alex Salmond, has confirmed that the reputation of the BBC is at stake and cannot be allowed to be undermined by perceptions of bias.

    The former Tory Minister explained that in light of the independence referendum and to ensure balance was maintained, there would be new guidelines issued to BBC presenters.

    “It would be hugely damaging to our reputation and to our continuing viability as a great broadcaster if we did anything which chipped away at the reputation that we have.

    “So yes, we want to handle the issue of the referendum and its coverage as sensitively as possible.†he said.

    Wee clip of the interview:

    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Spotted a post you think may be an issue? Please help the team by reporting it.
    • Replies 30.9k
    • Created
    • Last Reply

    Top Posters In This Topic

    • Scottish-Irish Skier

      8874

    • mountain shadow

      1528

    • skifreak

      1435

    • frogesque

      1306

    Top Posters In This Topic

    Popular Posts

    And that ignorant, offensive, rant sums up exactly why the YES campaign failed  

    Good god. What a load of boarish spiteful bile from bad losers has been posted during the night. I actually dread to think how Scotland would be run if this is representative of how the yes vote behav

    I'm disappointed in the lack of grace shown by some across the net in accepting this No vote. A complete lack of any empathy and understanding as to why fellow Scots didn't vote Yes.   I personally

    Posted Images

    Posted
  • Location: Darlington
  • Weather Preferences: heavy convective snow showers, blizzards, 30C sunshine
  • Location: Darlington

    Hi Scottish Skier

    Thanks for replying to my post. Just on the defence side of things I have been doing a bit of research on the net and I have found some startling figures, these include the fact that 30,000 scots are employed in the defence industry in scotland, the other being that glasgow is the uk premier shipbuilding area would those 30,000 people still be employed in defence industry if scotland is independent? Would glasgow remain the premier shipbuilding area in uk without any RN ships to build?

    Bases would have to be shutdown wouldnt they? What about the communities living in those areas?

    Other things i could mention is you thought our influence would expand in europe and the un? Not likely I'm afraid the UK and france are finding it hard to maintain their permanent security council seats, UK's would definitely go if we split ouselves up into smaller parts. The same goes for the EU, how would two smaller countries be preferable to one big one surely that would mean less influence not more.

    Cheers

    CC

    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: New York City
  • Location: New York City

    Hi Scottish Skier

    Thanks for replying to my post. Just on the defence side of things I have been doing a bit of research on the net and I have found some startling figures, these include the fact that 30,000 scots are employed in the defence industry in scotland, the other being that glasgow is the uk premier shipbuilding area would those 30,000 people still be employed in defence industry if scotland is independent? Would glasgow remain the premier shipbuilding area in uk without any RN ships to build?

    Bases would have to be shutdown wouldnt they? What about the communities living in those areas?

    Other things i could mention is you thought our influence would expand in europe and the un? Not likely I'm afraid the UK and france are finding it hard to maintain their permanent security council seats, UK's would definitely go if we split ouselves up into smaller parts. The same goes for the EU, how would two smaller countries be preferable to one big one surely that would mean less influence not more.

    Cheers

    CC

    I think most Scots would be happy with devo max, allowing the UK to still have the international clout but giving Scotland what it wants, but the UK government doesn't want to offer this.

    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Leeds/Bradford border, 185 metres above sea level, around 600 feet
  • Location: Leeds/Bradford border, 185 metres above sea level, around 600 feet

    Who will be the parties come independence? My Guess:

    Right of Centre = Scottish Democratic Alliance (currently not putting forward candidates but will soon)

    Centre to slightly left = SNP / 'Scottish Social Democrats'

    Green left = Greens

    Left = Scottish Socialists

    The Liberals might survive, but the SNP have taken Labour's old ground and the Conservative and Unionists will die with the death of the Union.

    I disagree!

    The Tories in one form or another have been around for centuries (the liberals were effectively an offshoot). The SNP is basically the Liberal Democrats but pro-Scotland and so the Liberal Democrats will be dead upon independence. The Greens and Scottish socialists are essentially the same so one (probably the Greens) will be prevelant. On the right i can see a big Tory boost once the accept independance and cut ties with London.

    In summary...

    Right: Tories

    Centre liberal: Scottish National Party

    Left: Greens

    The Labour remmenant will remain as the 4th largest party probably polling 5-15%.

    The SNP will likely remain the largest party but once the Tories reorganize and adopt a pro-Scotland line then i can see them becoming the main opposition.

    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Inbhir Nis / Inverness - 636 ft asl
  • Weather Preferences: Freezing fog, frost, snow, sunshine.
  • Location: Inbhir Nis / Inverness - 636 ft asl

    One last thing I bloody love edinburgh best city in UK

    Not for long.

    Posted Image

    Edited by NorthernRab
    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    Hi Scottish Skier

    Thanks for replying to my post. Just on the defence side of things I have been doing a bit of research on the net and I have found some startling figures, these include the fact that 30,000 scots are employed in the defence industry in scotland, the other being that glasgow is the uk premier shipbuilding area would those 30,000 people still be employed in defence industry if scotland is independent? Would glasgow remain the premier shipbuilding area in uk without any RN ships to build?

    Bases would have to be shutdown wouldnt they? What about the communities living in those areas?

    Other things i could mention is you thought our influence would expand in europe and the un? Not likely I'm afraid the UK and france are finding it hard to maintain their permanent security council seats, UK's would definitely go if we split ouselves up into smaller parts. The same goes for the EU, how would two smaller countries be preferable to one big one surely that would mean less influence not more.

    Cheers

    CC

    No problem.

    EU procurement laws mean countries have to allow bids from other EU countries and can't specifically favour their own. It's called a free trade area.

    Scotland already gets much less than the rest of the UK in terms of defense spending per capita, meaning we can't do worse and if anything, with our own defense force based here, it would be better.

    http://www.defencema...ry.asp?id=16821

    According to the MoD's own statistics, the under-spend in Scotland increased from £749m in 2002/03 to £1.259bn in 2007-2008, which represents a 68 per cent increase in six years. The cumulative under-spend between defence reviews is in excess of £5.622bn.

    http://m.local.stv.t...s-in-edinburgh/

    Scotland left with only one RAF base in 'massive and disproportionate' defence cuts

    Bases would be for the Scottish defense force. Well, what's left of them after the Tories are finished with their massive cuts in Scotlands

    Influence

    Number of Scottish MEPs currently = 6

    Number under independence = 13

    Increase = 2.16x

    Number of Scottish UN seats =0.084

    Number under independence = 1

    Increase = 12.5x

    At the moment, we have little or no influence in the EU and none in the UN. When Dave did his veto without first even informing the Scottish government, this was blindingly obvious for all to see. Maggie also sold off our fishing waters for a few cheap favours for the SE - they were worth nothing to her as they were Scottish.

    The reason you have uni fees, privatisation of the NHS etc down there is people vote for parties who had this in their manifesto (Labour, Tories). Westminster wants to pretend it's still a world power and so spends money on huge penis extensions like nuclear weapons, aircraft carriers etc. Europe and the US laugh at Britian and it's attempts to 'punch above its weight'. It's pathetic. If people down south want to vote for that, fine, but don't expect Scots too. The Empire is over FGS - the UK is nearly bust; it needs to just get on with being a decent sized European nation.

    Anyway, it is not Scots breaking the Union, it is Westminster. As Hiya noted, if they offered Scots Full Fiscal Autonomy, 70% would vote for it. Would end the whole subsidy myth and allow us to get on with our free higher education etc while the RUK can privatise fresh air if they like. If FFA is not on the cards, then independence is largely a forgone conclusion at some point.

    Note that Historically, parties responsible for the end of the Union with No. 1 being the most responsible are:

    1. Conservatives

    2. Labour

    3. Liberals

    4. SNP

    Edited by scottish skier
    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    I disagree!

    The Tories in one form or another have been around for centuries (the liberals were effectively an offshoot). The SNP is basically the Liberal Democrats but pro-Scotland and so the Liberal Democrats will be dead upon independence. The Greens and Scottish socialists are essentially the same so one (probably the Greens) will be prevelant. On the right i can see a big Tory boost once the accept independance and cut ties with London.

    In summary...

    Right: Tories

    Centre liberal: Scottish National Party

    Left: Greens

    The Labour remmenant will remain as the 4th largest party probably polling 5-15%.

    The SNP will likely remain the largest party but once the Tories reorganize and adopt a pro-Scotland line then i can see them becoming the main opposition.

    The Scottish Democratic Alliance are 'Tories' (free market supporters) and will soon start fielding candidates. They are already Scottish and support independence. After independence, who will right-leaning voters vote for, the anti-independence old Tories who 'lost' for being anti-scottish or the pro-independence Scottish Tories who 'won' for being pro-Scotland?

    I agree that a moderate right of centre party could make some ground if they focussed on the business/economic side of the 'right' wing and did not adopt typical tory social 'me me me and sod everyone else' ideologies which helped destroy the Conservatives in Scotland. You should have a look at the SDA - some ideas of interest.

    http://scottishdemocraticalliance.org/

    Edited by scottish skier
    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Darlington
  • Weather Preferences: heavy convective snow showers, blizzards, 30C sunshine
  • Location: Darlington

    No problem. EU procurement laws mean countries have to allow bids from other EU countries and can't specifically favour their own. It's called a free trade area. Scotland already gets much less than the rest of the UK in terms of defense spending per capita, meaning we can't do worse and if anything, with our own defense force based here, it would be better. http://www.defencema...ry.asp?id=16821 According to the MoD's own statistics, the under-spend in Scotland increased from £749m in 2002/03 to £1.259bn in 2007-2008, which represents a 68 per cent increase in six years. The cumulative under-spend between defence reviews is in excess of £5.622bn. http://m.local.stv.t...s-in-edinburgh/ Scotland left with only one RAF base in 'massive and disproportionate' defence cuts Bases would be for the Scottish defense force. Well, what's left of them after the Tories are finished with their massive cuts in Scotlands Influence Number of Scottish MEPs currently = 6 Number under independence = 13 Increase = 2.16x Number of Scottish UN seats =0.084 Number under independence = 1 Increase = 12.5x At the moment, we have little or no influence in the EU and none in the UN. When Dave did his veto without first even informing the Scottish government, this was blindingly obvious for all to see. Maggie also sold off our fishing waters for a few cheap favours for the SE - they were worth nothing to her as they were Scottish. The reason you have uni fees, privatisation of the NHS etc down there is people vote for parties who had this in their manifesto (Labour, Tories). Westminster wants to pretend it's still a world power and so spends money on huge penis extensions like nuclear weapons, aircraft carriers etc. Europe and the US laugh at Britian and it's attempts to 'punch above its weight'. It's pathetic. If people down south want to vote for that, fine, but don't expect Scots too. The Empire is over FGS - the UK is nearly bust; it needs to just get on with being a decent sized European nation. Anyway, it is not Scots breaking the Union, it is Westminster. As Hiya noted, if they offered Scots Full Fiscal Autonomy, 70% would vote for it. Would end the whole subsidy myth and allow us to get on with our free higher education etc while the RUK can privatise fresh air if they like. If FFA is not on the cards, then independence is largely a forgone conclusion at some point. Note that Historically, parties responsible for the end of the Union with No. 1 being the most responsible are: 1. Conservatives 2. Labour 3. Liberals 4. SNP

    Hi SS

    This will be my last post on the topic you are obviously very committed to your cause and fair play to you for that. I just cant help feeling that the scottish people arent being told everything by Salmond (who is a very clever politician, would probably do very well at westminster) I think that once the true debate starts and the true facts emerge then the clamour for independence may subside although i may also be talking rubbish of course.

    People in scotland think this will only affect them this is plainly untrue I am from North east england and dislike the tories probably more than any scot (my region is poorest in uk) yet disolving the union will pretty much guarantee tory rule forever we need your labour mps in westminster. My region will be massively affected by independence and not for the better, we will be even less relevant to a permanent tory government than we are now. Not good at all.

    I took my daughter to get her first passport today I wrote on the form her nationality and country of Birth I put british and Britain, wont be able to do that in the future will I

    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Inbhir Nis / Inverness - 636 ft asl
  • Weather Preferences: Freezing fog, frost, snow, sunshine.
  • Location: Inbhir Nis / Inverness - 636 ft asl

    I took my daughter to get her first passport today I wrote on the form her nationality and country of Birth I put british and Britain, wont be able to do that in the future will I

    Of course you can, the UK will still exist after Scottish independence. Also, there's this ridiculous notion that Britsh identity will disappear after independence, not so - Norwegians can still call themselves Scandinavian if they chose, despite having seperated from Sweden over a hundred years ago.

    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Carryduff, County Down 420ft ASL
  • Location: Carryduff, County Down 420ft ASL

    Of course you can, the UK will still exist after Scottish independence. Also, there's this ridiculous notion that Britsh identity will disappear after independence, not so - Norwegians can still call themselves Scandinavian if they chose, despite having seperated from Sweden over a hundred years ago.

    Having gone out with a cracking wee Swedish Au Pair many years ago I can say that Norwegians, Swedes and Danes do not call themselves Scandanavians in any way shape or form.

    The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland I presume will still exist as the Queen and her descendents will still still have a joint Kingdom or will Her Majesity need to be crowned in Scotland as well?

    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    Having gone out with a cracking wee Swedish Au Pair many years ago I can say that Norwegians, Swedes and Danes do not call themselves Scandanavians in any way shape or form.

    The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland I presume will still exist as the Queen and her descendents will still still have a joint Kingdom or will Her Majesity need to be crowned in Scotland as well?

    The United Kingdom(s) was formed in 1603 with the Union of the Crowns; two Kingdoms 'united' by the same monarch. It was over 100 years later before the political union (1707) took place. The former is not up for any change at the moment - lizzie would remain 'Queen of Scots' (as opposed to Queen of Scotland as in Scotland the people are sovereign, not the monarch, since 1320) until such time as Scots might decide otherwise. Ergo, the UK will still exist and the sun will still rise in the morning (although it went down on the empire decades ago..)

    Following up on the Fort Glasgow Labour story - 6 official resignations in total, meaning Labour now only have a majority of one (40 vs 39).

    http://www.bbc.co.uk...w-west-16980679

    Gordon Matheson (GCC Labour leader) is losing it LOL:

    http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQg3rjAnBh4

    The apparatchiks have gone all silent on Labourhame for some reason... :whistling:

    EDIT Stephen Curran gets a real roasting:

    Edited by scottish skier
    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

    This not in any way meant to be a loaded question but where does the money come from?

    THE repair bill to fix Scotland’s crumbling hospitals and roads now tops £2 billion, according to damning reports into the state of the country’s infrastructure.

    Almost one-third of NHS accommodation falls below acceptable standards it emerged yesterday, with more than £1bn needed to bring it up to scratch – twice as much as thought.

    The report was published as council transport leaders revealed that just 62 per cent of the roads run by local authorities are in good condition with the “massive cost†of repairs estimated to be at least £1.54bn in the most recent audit report.

    The Scottish Road Maintenance Condition Survey published yesterday revealed the “deeply concerning†figures, which were compiled by the Society of Chief Officers of Transportation in Scotland (SCOTS).

    The backlogs were branded a “national disgrace†by opposition parties who claimed the SNP government has failed to invest in the country’s vital infrastructure at a time when local authorities are facing swingeing budget cuts.

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/health/nhs_to_get_2bn_injection_to_tackle_maintenance_costs_1_2109739

    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Carryduff, County Down 420ft ASL
  • Location: Carryduff, County Down 420ft ASL

    Weather Ship, since the SNP came to office we have seen the completion of the M80, M74 and M73. The upgrade of numerous trunk roads continues, the completion of the Kincardine Bridge and the start of the Forth Replacement crossing. Their is also the commitment to finally dual the A9 as well.

    When I was back in Scotland last year I travelled from Stranraer to Dundee an hour quicker due to upgrades on all the main roads I travelled on. The Scottish transport system may not be the best but it is unbelievably better than Northern Irelands and the Republics.

    Perhaps if some of the £2400 per person which is spent on infrastructure in the SE England was spent elsewhere (I believe around £5 per person is spent in Scotland/NE England) things would be better?

    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    This not in any way meant to be a loaded question but where does the money come from?

    THE repair bill to fix Scotland’s crumbling hospitals and roads now tops £2 billion, according to damning reports into the state of the country’s infrastructure.

    Almost one-third of NHS accommodation falls below acceptable standards it emerged yesterday, with more than £1bn needed to bring it up to scratch – twice as much as thought.

    The report was published as council transport leaders revealed that just 62 per cent of the roads run by local authorities are in good condition with the “massive cost†of repairs estimated to be at least £1.54bn in the most recent audit report.

    The Scottish Road Maintenance Condition Survey published yesterday revealed the “deeply concerning†figures, which were compiled by the Society of Chief Officers of Transportation in Scotland (SCOTS).

    The backlogs were branded a “national disgrace†by opposition parties who claimed the SNP government has failed to invest in the country’s vital infrastructure at a time when local authorities are facing swingeing budget cuts.

    http://www.scotsman....costs_1_2109739

    Scotsman = Tory paper. Maybe 2 years before it collapses due to plummeting sales. Already massively in crap finance-wise.

    SNP vote share = ~50%

    Independence parties = 54%, rising

    = Scots ignore MSM which is anti-SNP/independence.

    Roads + transport = miles better since SNP took over (as per MS)

    NHS Scotland = doing really quite well and getting better. No privatisation.

    http://www.publicser...ry.asp?id=18718

    While controversy, anger and frustration plague the Health & Social Care Bill in England, the NHS in Scotland is delivering on its founding principles without resorting to market-based reforms, a new report has said.

    A two-year study by Nottingham University Business School has concluded that a "mature and positive" approach to industrial relations has helped underpin NHS Scotland's "commitment to high-quality patient care". Not only that, but the health service north of the border represents a "leading-edge example" and offers "important lessons" for public services throughout Britain, the study said.

    Where does the money come from? Our pocket money - John Swinney made a rather dull leader but he's an excellent accountant. Has no towel re-folding experience however, although this does not seem to be a problem. http://cdn.nwstatic.co.uk/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.png

    EDIT.

    Scottish unionist parties interest = Do not believe in democracy. Only want power. Holyrood = Stepping stone to westminster. Noses in trough. Ermine coat end goal. Scotland must lag behind UK so seems unable to survive alone (discourages nationalism).

    SNP = no Westminster trough, no ermine coats. Normal state school educated people as MSPs, not millionaires. Love Scotland deeply and want the best for it. Work damn hard at it. Hated by the British Establishment because they can't be bought.

    Edited by scottish skier
    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

    Thanks. Those two replies answers that question. I think I'd better stick to the majesty that was Islam. :) Oh while I think of it SS had another long talk with my old Scottish friend the other night and she has been searching diligently for information on the oil revenue split if independence comes about without much success it seems. I remember you posting something on the subject and wondered if you had a note on the link(s). Don't worry about it if it's time consuming.

    Edited by weather ship
    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    Thanks. Those two replies answers that question. I think I'd better stick to the majesty that was Islam. :) Oh while I think of it SS had another long talk with my old Scottish friend the other night and she has been searching diligently for information on the oil revenue split if independence comes about without much success it seems. I remember you posting something on the subject and wondered if you had a note on the link(s). Don't worry about it if it's time consuming.

    Nae bother.

    90% of the oil lies in Scottish waters. That's all she really needs to know!

    I assume she's familiar with the McCrone report and the 1979 referendum?

    This is interesting

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/attorney_general_blocks_release_of_devolution_papers_1_2104336

    Attorney General blocks release of devolution papers

    Dominic Grieve, the Attorney General, has blocked the release of Cabinet committee papers relating to devolution under the Freedom of Information Act.

    Grieve confirmed today his belief that their release would not be in the public interest. Instead, Grieve said he believed it would undermine the operation of government.

    Why? Well because Westminster did not want devolution at all even if 70% of Scots did. Europe forced the UK to give Scotland its referendum due to the obvious supression of democracy in the UK. I can imagine what the release of these papers would do - guarantee a yes vote. Hence not in the public Westminsters interests. The Scots public are extremely interested!

    Some background here:

    http://realmofscotland.com/scolandpage.aspx?Cat=19&menu=Source references for the Council of Europe action

    So, after much dragging of feet, and as one of the last member states to do so, under considerable pressure, the UK eventually signed the European Charter of Local Self-Government whilst in parallel having been forced to give Scotland and Wales devolved government. Had devolution not been granted, not only would the UK not have been in a position to sign and uphold the European Charter of Local Self-Government, but it was also on the verge of being expelled from the Council of Europe for serious non-compliance with basic democratic principles – a step that would have had dire and widespread international consequences. 
 


    That is the real reason that the Scottish Parliament was restored rather than its having been some form of largesse from the Labour Party.

    Edited by scottish skier
    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Carryduff, County Down 420ft ASL
  • Location: Carryduff, County Down 420ft ASL

    SS,

    Are the SNP going to pursue getting those papers released?, or at least make a big noise about it? Perhaps one of the SNP MP's will ask the PM at Question Time about it.

    Do we live in a Democracy or not?

    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Inbhir Nis / Inverness - 636 ft asl
  • Weather Preferences: Freezing fog, frost, snow, sunshine.
  • Location: Inbhir Nis / Inverness - 636 ft asl

    Thanks very much for that. I'll pass it to her although I couldn't access your first link.

    The Continental Shelf Act 1964 and the Continental Shelf (Jurisdiction) Order 1968 defines the UK North Sea maritime area to the north of latitude 55 degrees north as being under the jurisdiction of Scots law[6] meaning that 90% of the UK's oil resources were under Scottish jurisdiction.[7][8] In addition, section 126 of the Scotland Act 1998 defines Scottish waters as the internal waters and territorial sea of the United Kingdom as are adjacent to Scotland.[9] This has been subsequently amended by the Scottish Adjacent Waters Boundary Order 1999 which redefined the extent of Scottish waters and Scottish fishery limits.[10][11]

    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

    Thanks NR, I've passed it all on. That's me on the phone for three hours tonight. All her friends and relations are members of the SNP but none are happy with independece apparently but I can't quite work out why. They seem to favour max dev.

    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    Thanks very much for that. I'll pass it to her although I couldn't access your first link.

    Fixed it. Copy n paste error:

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/attorney_general_blocks_release_of_devolution_papers_1_2104336

    Do we live in a Democracy or not?

    We don't. Hopefully soon though.

    Edited by scottish skier
    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    They seem to favour max dev.

    That's what 70% of Scots want at minimum and something I would not be unhappy with at all as a start.

    It is not however the SNP's to give - only Westminster can agree to that and they will not. Can you imagine Westminster giving FFA, including control of all Scotland's resources to Holyrood? No chance. If we were subsidised they would in a second, but we're not...

    The Scotland Bill that is still being scribbled on by unelected convicted criminals in the lords even though its dead in the water gives us power over e.g. 'airguns'. Wow - that will improve the economy. It talks about new tax powers but basically what it proposes is that Holyrood raises its own taxes but if it earns more, the block grant is reduced, if it earns less, the block grant is increased. That is not powers, just transfer of some admin - even if you developed loads of cool ways of improving the local economy that were massively successful you'd not have any financial benefit from it. Likewise if you did not bother your ass (like pre-SNP administrations) you'd still get the same money. They're trying to sell us this as a good thing.

    Westminster must hold all power. Jeez it was against devolution until it had no choice. FFA/Devo Max would mean an end to the whole remnant empirical British Establishment; to Lab/Tory/Lab/Tory/Lab complete power over the unitary state. Hell you'd need an English Parliament and would that not be PR like the devolved ones? That would mean no Labour/Tory trough tennis. Then you'd need a UK Federal parliament with responsibility for all the non-domestic stuff. It would need to be one nation one vote to be fair on each nation, or at least allow each to veto themselves out of specific overseas war jollies etc. End of the commons, the Lords. Modernisation? Democracy? OMG! These Westminster does not do, it prefers to remain as an elective dictatorship.

    So not going to happen.

    No problem though as Independence = Devo Maxx Excel

    It's like Devo Maxx (£, working together on defense and foreign relations), but with other cool stuff too... Westminster has just not realised that is what it is being quietly and increasingly sold as. Because, that's what it is. After all, there is no such thing as complete independence in the modern interdependent world.

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------

    EDIT.

    Here we go. More developments in the Glasgow Labour saga...

    http://www.heraldsco...-row.1323612003

    Labour's city leader is accused in 'threats' row

    THE most high-profile Labour politician in next year's council elections has been accused of threatening one of his party colleagues, the Sunday Herald can reveal.

    Gordon Matheson, the leader of Glasgow City Council, is the subject of a complaint to the country's independent watchdog for councillors.

    He has been reported by fellow Labour councillor Tommy Morrison, who claims he was threatened with the loss of an £11,000-a-year post at Strathclyde Fire & Rescue unless he helped an ally of Matheson get re-selected as a Labour candidate.

    All coming out now they are fighting amongst themselves for the last scraps. We are watching the last great bastion of Unionist party hegemony in Scotland crumbling before our eyes.

    Edited by scottish skier
    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    Apparently there is an article in the Sunday Times neatly putting the Scots subsidy myth to bed. Don't have access but apparently it says this:

    Scots rejoice as subsidy junkie myth laid to rest’

    - “The Scottish economy receives no net subsidy from the rest of the UK, according to new economic research.

    … Under the Barnett formula, Scotland is entitled to 10% of public spending by Whitehall despite having little more than 8% of the population.

    But the study by the Centre for Economics and Business Research (CEBR) think tank, based on official tax and spending figures, concludes that Scotland’s North Sea oil and gas revenues, with other taxes, means it gets no net subsidy from the rest of the UK.

    … The research confirms London and the southeast as the country’s economic engine room.

    One pound in every five paid in tax receipts in London is in effect used to subsidise public spending across the rest of the UK.

    The southeast provides a net subsidy of about 11%. By contrast, Northern Ireland receives a net subsidy of 29%, Wales 26% and the northeast 22%.

    The amount of tax paid in London represents 45% of the capital’s GDP, driven by the bulk of stamp duty and the 50p top rate of tax being paid in London and the southeast.

    Colin Stanbridge, chief executive of the London chamber of commerce, said business leaders in the capital “would like to see more of the money raised in London spent in Londonâ€.â€

    http://www.thesunday...ticle871549.ece

    UK subsidies

    “Contribution to or subsidy from other regions as % of GDP 2010-11″

    London 20.3%

    South East 10.7%

    East 1.5%

    Scotland +/-0%

    Northeast -22.2%

    Wales -26.0%

    Northern Ireland -29.4%

    Source: CEBR, London

    Surely this means Scotland has no debt? I mean if we raise the same money as we spend, then.... http://cdn.nwstatic.co.uk/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.png

    ----------------------------

    Tories think Scots farmers trust them:

    http://www.struanste...ers_need_change

    I often wonder how I would be feeling if I was a Scottish farmer at the moment.

    And said independence would bankrupt them all:

    http://www.farmersgu...p/44603.article

    Well, farmers are actually feeling like this:

    http://www.fwi.co.uk...-in-DEFRA39.htm

    Scots farmers 'lack confidence in DEFRA'

    The Scottish government is calling for full inclusion in all future negotiations on the European Common Agricultural Policy following results of a new poll.

    The poll carried out by The Scottish Farmer newspaper asked whether or not DEFRA would look after Scotland’s interests during CAP discussions, to which 100% of respondents said no.

    Unlike in England, Scots farmers aren't Tories. Traditionally they were Liberals. Now SNP.

    --------------------------

    In today's herald:

    http://www.heraldsco...oodbye.16701470

    Labour in Glasgow: the long goodbye

    LABOUR is facing a new threat to its control of Glasgow City Chambers, with disaffected former Labour councillors starting a rival party to field candidates in May's local election.

    After a chaotic budget day in Glasgow City Chambers, when Labour finally had its proposals accepted by just two votes amid resignations and rebellion, the future is uncertain. An application has already been made to the Electoral Commission to register the new group, provisionally named Glasgow Labour.

    4 of the councillors that resigned were in Scottish Labour Leader Johann Lamont's constituency. That's what you get when London (Labour HQ) sticks its oar in and tries to control Scotland by deselecting popular candidates who won't always tow the party line.

    ---------------------

    EDIT (ok, it's sunday morning so I'm busy with the newspapers)

    http://www.scotsman.com/business/bae_to_play_down_threat_of_shipyard_closure_1_2112047

    BAE to play down threat of shipyard closure

    Meanwhile, City analysts believe Scottish shipyards are more likely to escape the axe than Portsmouth.

    Howard Wheeldon, an independent defence analyst with more than 40 years’ experience of the sector, said: “If BAE decides to close a shipyard because of uncertainty about future work levels, I think it would be Portsmouth. It would be natural because Portsmouth is smaller than the Clydeside operation. They can build larger ships in Scotland and also do everything that Portsmouth does, such as constructing bits of destroyers. It is true that if Portsmouth closed and Scotland goes independent, all our shipyards would be in Scotland. But that’s not BAE’s concern, that’s the UK government’s concern.â€

    Edited by scottish skier
    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Leeds/Bradford border, 185 metres above sea level, around 600 feet
  • Location: Leeds/Bradford border, 185 metres above sea level, around 600 feet

    Having no debt would only apply if you were in surplus each and every year which was not the case until the higher oil prices of the last decade.

    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    Having no debt would only apply if you were in surplus each and every year which was not the case until the higher oil prices of the last decade.

    LOL. That's why I put a wee winky smile = said in jest.

    Michael Moore came up with some figures a while back and apparently its ~8k per scot built up over the last 30 yrs; most of which was accrued when oil prices were lower as you say.

    Edited by scottish skier
    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Guest
    This topic is now closed to further replies.
    • Cold waves hitting Europe continue to threaten growers, is there a link to climate change?

      Much of Europe, not just the UK, has experienced unseasonably cold weather since the Easter Weekend. A plunge of cold arctic air brought by northerly winds early last week brought several nights of frost and even snow across large swathes of Europe, followed by another wave of cold arctic air spreads across much of Europe this week. The frosts causing damage to new growth in vineyards and orchardsa0spurred on by a late March heatwave, the vineyards of France werea0particularly badly affected.

      Nick F
      Nick F
      Latest weather updates from Netweather 4

      High pressure rules, but still chilly out the sun & watch out for a few showers

      High pressure in charge for the rest of the week but the airmass will be chilly, so feeling nippy out of the sun. Not entirely dry either, with scattered showers around the next few days, especially in the west. Read the full update here

      Netweather forecasts
      Netweather forecasts
      Latest weather updates from Netweather

      You'll need your coat because it's still cold out of the sun

      More April snow for Monday morning with a widespread frost. If you have outdoor plans this week, the chill in the air remains especially once the sun goes down. Read the full update here

      Netweather forecasts
      Netweather forecasts
      Latest weather updates from Netweather
    • Recently Browsing   0 members

      No registered users viewing this page.

    ×
    ×
    • Create New...