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  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level
  • Weather Preferences: dry sunny average summers and really cold snowy winters
  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level

    Explain to me that if Dugdale is Labour's Scottish Education secretary, why has she never heard of a fullstop?

    because she is a half wit.

    I think there's a good argument for Scotland joining the Russian federation.

    After all, the pro-union campaign has told us bigger is better, safer, stronger etc.

    Russia is really big - far bigger than the UK - so maybe a better option?

    Personally, I like Russians; at least those I've met and worked with.

    yeah sounds like a plan I would be happy with Russia have oil they wouldn't need to steal ours.

    the debate is only just playing in England now aint it?

    sorry English innit?

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  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level
  • Weather Preferences: dry sunny average summers and really cold snowy winters
  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level

    any comments from our friends south of the border as to how they are seeing the debate being run from a fairness point or the economic things they have heard so far as to who is giving the best argument?

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  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level
  • Weather Preferences: dry sunny average summers and really cold snowy winters
  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level

    ah ha itv London.

     

    for anyone south of the border that don't know trident employs 520 personel not 8000.

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  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level
  • Weather Preferences: dry sunny average summers and really cold snowy winters
  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level

    come on there is bount to be someone from south of the border watching the debate and has a view on the arguments being put across

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  • Location: Gilesgate Moor, Durham City
  • Location: Gilesgate Moor, Durham City

    ah ha itv London.

     

    for anyone south of the border that don't know trident employs 520 personel not 8000.

     

    Actually 520 is probably WAY off the mark. Hard to calculate exact figures, but it's probably between the 2.

     

    http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-should-we-scrap-trident/13202

     

     

    And as this blog states, quite correctly:

     

    "In a sense, who does and doesn’t work on Trident is arguably something of a red herring. The real question for the SNP is how many other jobs outside the immediate Trident workforce would be at risk in the event of independence."

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  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level
  • Weather Preferences: dry sunny average summers and really cold snowy winters
  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level

    you have went against your own argument it says 520 worker directly with trident that is all the jobs that would go to and presume other jobs outside trident would go is just guess work business would come to the area without nukes there.

     

    trident and helensburgh is inside one of scotlands most beautiful national parks but people don't want to go near helensbuargh because of trident and people have been on the news up here saying if it wasn't for trident it woud be a better area and people would be more inclined to visit the area and more people would set up business with it being a beautiful area of Scotland in a national park without trident plus the money we save every year to keep trident plus the cost of renewal would pay for extra services instead of having something we will never use that ruins the lives of people around it.

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  • Location: Inbhir Nis / Inverness - 636 ft asl
  • Weather Preferences: Freezing fog, frost, snow, sunshine.
  • Location: Inbhir Nis / Inverness - 636 ft asl

    you have went against your own argument it says 520 worker directly with trident that is all the jobs that would go to and presume other jobs outside trident would go is just guess work business would come to the area without nukes there.

     

    trident and helensburgh is inside one of scotlands most beautiful national parks but people don't want to go near helensbuargh because of trident and people have been on the news up here saying if it wasn't for trident it woud be a better area and people would be more inclined to visit the area and more people would set up business with it being a beautiful area of Scotland in a national park without trident plus the money we save every year to keep trident plus the cost of renewal would pay for extra services instead of having something we will never use that ruins the lives of people around it.

    There's actually some truth to this - it gives me the creeps and I generally stay well clear of Faslane.

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  • Location: Eastbourne and Larnaca,Cyprus .
  • Location: Eastbourne and Larnaca,Cyprus .

    A very good debate, just finished watching the repeat on ITV. This was miles better than the shouting matches of the previous debates.

     

    Some troubling comments though from Olli Rehn which add to the currency debate and complicate matters.

     

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/02/indepdent-scotland-not-join-eu-without-central-bank

     

    If taken at face value  if the rUK doesn't agree to a CU they force the SG into either adopting its own currency or facing problems with continued EU membership.

     

    Now of course people expect pragmatism from the EU in relation to Scotland, surely they would find some way to sort this mess out. However the waters haven't been tested yet and with 28 members needing to agree unanimously to any change in Treaties some vested interests might come into play.

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  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level
  • Weather Preferences: dry sunny average summers and really cold snowy winters
  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level

    Actually 520 is probably WAY off the mark. Hard to calculate exact figures, but it's probably between the 2.

     

    http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-should-we-scrap-trident/13202

     

     

    And as this blog states, quite correctly:

     

    "In a sense, who does and doesn’t work on Trident is arguably something of a red herring. The real question for the SNP is how many other jobs outside the immediate Trident workforce would be at risk in the event of independence."

     

    sorry the other answer was probably sounding a bit condesneding didn't mean anything bad just there is only 520 jobs with trident outside jobs are just guess work

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  • Location: Inbhir Nis / Inverness - 636 ft asl
  • Weather Preferences: Freezing fog, frost, snow, sunshine.
  • Location: Inbhir Nis / Inverness - 636 ft asl

    A very good debate, just finished watching the repeat on ITV. This was miles better than the shouting matches of the previous debates.

     

    Some troubling comments though from Olli Rehn which add to the currency debate and complicate matters.

     

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/02/indepdent-scotland-not-join-eu-without-central-bank

     

    If taken at face value  if the rUK doesn't agree to a CU they force the SG into either adopting its own currency or facing problems with continued EU membership.

     

    Now of course people expect pragmatism from the EU in relation to Scotland, surely they would find some way to sort this mess out. However the waters haven't been tested yet and with 28 members needing to agree unanimously to any change in Treaties some vested interests might come into play.

    Some vested interests will definitely arise, but you can expect Germany, France and indeed the UK to give little time to arguments that will cause financial loss and economic uncertainty.

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  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level
  • Weather Preferences: dry sunny average summers and really cold snowy winters
  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level

    A very good debate, just finished watching the repeat on ITV. This was miles better than the shouting matches of the previous debates.

     

    Some troubling comments though from Olli Rehn which add to the currency debate and complicate matters.

     

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/02/indepdent-scotland-not-join-eu-without-central-bank

     

    If taken at face value  if the rUK doesn't agree to a CU they force the SG into either adopting its own currency or facing problems with continued EU membership.

     

    Now of course people expect pragmatism from the EU in relation to Scotland, surely they would find some way to sort this mess out. However the waters haven't been tested yet and with 28 members needing to agree unanimously to any change in Treaties some vested interests might come into play.

     

     

    yeah it was a good debate it was good to have more than one person on each side and to get different views on separate matters from people more akin to the issue at hand.

     

    I thought that Patrick Harvie was quite good need him on more debates

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  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level
  • Weather Preferences: dry sunny average summers and really cold snowy winters
  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level

    a general question to everyone how would you feel differently to this debate if full privatization powers for the NHS had kicked in and we were paying for simple services like going to the doctor or prescription charges?

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  • Location: Inbhir Nis / Inverness - 636 ft asl
  • Weather Preferences: Freezing fog, frost, snow, sunshine.
  • Location: Inbhir Nis / Inverness - 636 ft asl

    Well that's it, all 7 of my family members are now voting Yes.

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  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level
  • Weather Preferences: dry sunny average summers and really cold snowy winters
  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level

    small thing for everyone to think about.

     

    I have been to America several times on holiday all states share a currency union taking on the dollar they all take full responsibility for there fiscal budget they all set there own vat rates they all make there own income tax rate they all have the same interest rates due to being under one central bank but every state runs its own business from top to bottom even the most insane laws like the death penalty now if all these can be independent economies on there own to make up there own mind in a fiscal union why cant we its same that happens in Europe and the mature economies like us survive so why cant Scotland do it and be successful?

     

    why cant we with the resources we have with a relatively small population do what plenty of places without the resources can we can easily enter a currency union and be successful like all these people who have we can pay our way and be independent and successful under a currency union its not hard at all there are plenty of examples out there we don't need Westminster it is already a dead idea in Scotland.

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    I wonder how much coverage the MSM will give this report?

     

    http://www.oilandgaspeople.com/news/1039/scottish-west-coast-untapped-oil-and-gas-reserves-worth-trillions/

     

    Scottish West Coast untapped oil and gas reserves worth trillions
     
    Scotland could be sitting on more than double the amount of oil and gas reserves currently predicted, a new independent industry investigation has found. The investigation reveals that the scale of Scotland’s untapped frontier West Coast or Atlantic Margin has been underestimated.
     
    The investigation was undertaken by oilandgaspeople.com, the world’s largest oil and gas industry jobs board, and independent North Sea oil and gas industry experts. The investigation included interviews with industry experts and collated seismic and expert evidence from a range of independent sources such as the British Geological Survey, DECC, oil and gas companies, the Institute of Petroleum Engineering* and the  Energy Institute.
     
    The findings show that the current predictions of extensive untapped reserves of oil and gas could be underestimated by 100%. The West Coast alone could provide oil and gas for at least 100 years with an estimated value of more than £1 trillion...

     

     
    *Waves (good on you Dorrik).
     
    I believe the Herald has at least mentioned it within the context of another story.
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  • Location: Tullynessle/Inverurie
  • Weather Preferences: Cold and snowy or warm and dry
  • Location: Tullynessle/Inverurie

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/02/scots-independence-england-scotland

    The Scots are told they will have no control over their own currency if they leave the UK. But they have none today. The monetary policy committee is based in London and bows to the banks. The pound’s strength, which damages the manufacturing Scotland seeks to promote, reflects the interests of the City.

    This is something I've always thought myself when the currency situation is being debated, but I've never heard it articulated before. BT will harp on about "your currency will be controlled by a foreign nations central bank who won't have to take Scotland into consideration any more". Just how much consideration do we think they actually take right now?

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    The No campaign's vision summed up in one picture?

     

    landfillno.jpg

     

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    Also, ex-UK Ambassador to NATO is voting Yes.

     

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/ex-uk-ambassador-to-nato-im-voting-yes.1409725713

     

    Ex-UK ambassador to Nato: I'm voting Yes

     
    Wednesday 3 September 2014
     
    The recently retired UK ambassador to Nato has revealed she is voting Yes to Scottish independence and insisted the international alliance would welcome the new Scottish state.

     

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  • Location: Sth Staffs/Shrops 105m/345' & NW Snowdonia 219m/719'
  • Location: Sth Staffs/Shrops 105m/345' & NW Snowdonia 219m/719'

    The markets are finally getting spooked by the prospect of a Yes vote. Expect the Pound and Scottish biased Equities to fall further as the markets had only previously factored in a No vote.

    The pound sank to a five-month low against the dollar yesterday after markets were jolted awake to the possibility of Scottish independence.

    Sterling fell by 0.7 per cent to $1.6502, the biggest slide in two weeks, after YouGov found that the Better Together campaign’s lead had been whittled down to six points a fortnight before the referendum, on September 18.

    The cost of hedging sterling currency exposures jumped at its fastest rate in three years as investors sought protection against the fallout from a Scottish brekaway.

    “Big international investors are aware of the risk, but a lot of others have simply assumed this was a done deal and that Scotland would stay in the union,†David Owen, European economist at Jefferies, the investment bank, said. “The market hasn’t got round how long and protracted a negotiation after independence would be.â€

    Scotland’s big lenders also were hit. Shares in Royal Bank of Scotland and Lloyds Banking Group, each of which s based in Edinburgh, fell by 2.4 per cent and 1 per cent, respectively. Analysts at Credit Suisse estimated that Lloyds had the largest exposure to Scottish household and small business debt, at £31 billion. RBS had £14 billion.

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    Aye Kar, looks like Westminster is starting to reap what it sowed.

     

    It takes my taxes but will not sit down at the table with the Scottish Government and agree a settlement for what would happen with a Yes vote.

     

    That way people could make up their minds a lot more easily and there'd be a lot less uncertainty for all. 

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  • Location: Sth Staffs/Shrops 105m/345' & NW Snowdonia 219m/719'
  • Location: Sth Staffs/Shrops 105m/345' & NW Snowdonia 219m/719'

    I've had enough of the chest beating, hot air and political point scoring from BOTH sides.

    I'm more interested in how the outcome will affect the financial markets as that will determine directly and indirectly my, and millions of others North and South of the Border, pensions and savings.

    An interesting article here giving the prospects for both a Yes and No outcome...

    http://www.trustnet.com/News/538585/scottish-independence--what-yes-or-no-means-for-your-portfolio/1/1/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=FE&utm_campaign=4644237_20140901_retail&utm_content=article6Scottish&dm_i=10MZ,2RJIL,7AP3JV,A2ANB,1

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  • Location: Highland Scotland
  • Location: Highland Scotland

    Some troubling comments though from Olli Rehn which add to the currency debate and complicate matters.

    These issues have been raised several times before, but they haven't been run with which perhaps tells us something. The EU rules would appear to specify that if you have a Central Bank it must meet the criteria laid down, rather than stating that you must have a Central Bank and of course national Central Banks in the euro-zone don't have currency issuing powers.

    Of course the questions over the EU situation and what the procedure would be for Scotland could have been confirmed and known before the vote, but the UK government has refused to ask the necessary questions.

    Ultimately the EU is about making trade and movement of people easier, not putting up barriers so the idea that Scotland would be forced to set up it's own currency rather than be in a formal or informal Sterling Zone runs counter to that as there is no existant mechanism for Scotland to go direct into the Euro.

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  • Location: Tullynessle/Inverurie
  • Weather Preferences: Cold and snowy or warm and dry
  • Location: Tullynessle/Inverurie

    On a lighter note, some good news. I checked earlier and if I was to 'cash out' on my £60 bet on Yes at Betfair I'd get £100.49. Take away the £60 stake, and the £40 I have on 45-50% Yes at Ladbrokes as my 'fall back' bet, then I'm £0.49 in profit! Now what can I spend my 49p on?

     

    No intention of cashing out, not yet anyway.

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  • Location: Tullynessle/Inverurie
  • Weather Preferences: Cold and snowy or warm and dry
  • Location: Tullynessle/Inverurie

    Another 'Patronising BT Lady' send up, with a traditionally Scottish theme

     

    http://vimeo.com/104669876

     

    Edit - Can't get it to embed.

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    Seems someone has stolen a friend's big pink Yes sign she made herself.

     

    She's currently in Ireland burying her mother.

     

    Been a problem in the borders - my neighbours parents had their big Yes sign stolen too.

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