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  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level
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  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level

    The reason they want us to go in believing No are ahead.Is so that when some postal votes are er lost or spoiled.It will look like the expected result.If yes go in with a 10% lead which I suspect we have it would look really dodgy if no the won on the night.Just saying!

     

    well you know what we do if we feel there is any cheating going on or we are done wrong we go and stand and shut off the border and we tell them we wont budge till we have what is rightfully ours.

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    And that ignorant, offensive, rant sums up exactly why the YES campaign failed  

    Good god. What a load of boarish spiteful bile from bad losers has been posted during the night. I actually dread to think how Scotland would be run if this is representative of how the yes vote behav

    I'm disappointed in the lack of grace shown by some across the net in accepting this No vote. A complete lack of any empathy and understanding as to why fellow Scots didn't vote Yes.   I personally

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  • Location: Bramley, Hampshire, 70m asl
  • Location: Bramley, Hampshire, 70m asl

    well you know what we do if we feel there is any cheating going on or we are done wrong we go and stand and shut off the border and we tell them we wont budge till we have what is rightfully ours.

     

    Seriously???....Scottish People's Republic??!

    .... at least you have representatives of Russia's Central Electoral Commission,  amongst others, monitoring the referendum.

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    "The reason they want us to go in believing No are ahead.Is so that when some postal votes are er lost or spoiled.It will look like the expected result.If yes go in with a 10% lead which I suspect we have it would look really dodgy if no the won on the night.Just saying!"

     

    I agree wholeheartedly and have been thinking this for a while, but thought I was the only person and might be considered a conspiracist. I always point out to "No's", why shouldn't the people of Scotland get the Government they democratically vote for?.....remind them of one tory MP...that's currently the pretendy democracy!

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  • Location: Maddiston , Falkirk, Scotland 390ft above sea level
  • Location: Maddiston , Falkirk, Scotland 390ft above sea level

    Yes and why were there 14% postal votes in the last Scottish election but 25% in this one. Why print 120% of ballot papers. Are they expecting a lot of extra papers being issued at the booths. This is one of the simplest votes in Scotish history so mistakes are less likely.

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    I'm not overly concerned about any funny business re the vote, postal votes etc.

     

    We are in the situation where the SNP are the Scottish Government. People monitoring the count are Scottish and will represent both sides. The police and courts are Scottish and again represent both sides.

     

    It's not as if Scotland is 'occupied' or something.

     

    Certainly, it would do neither side good to try and rig things. You would in all likelihood be caught out and the end result would be to destroy your own cause. A rigging by the pro-union side would destroy the union, resulting in a landslide Yes on a re-ballot and/or a declaration of UDI. Yes trying anything silly would destroy what they stand for (a more democratic Scotland) and likely their cause.

     

    Certainly, any funny business would me a re-count with international election monitors.

     

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    In terms of polls, IMO we have a good idea of how many will vote Yes; at least 40% at this stage. We know No can rely on at most 30% (those that say they are No and will not change their mind / the status quo British). The question is what the remaining devo maxers who are still in reality undecided even though they might say No, but then say but they are not set on that or actually mark themselves as Yes if you ask them a different way.

     

    Yes hitting 39% in Yougov with it's crime against all accepted polling methods 'Scotland loves Labour - I'm just sure of that' Kellner correction + way to many English people is really something else.

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  • Location: NR LOURDES SW FRANCE
  • Location: NR LOURDES SW FRANCE

    Regarding these postal votes, why are they allowing so many people to do this? Don't you have to have a good reason to ask for one? The problem here is that something might come up late in the debate which may have an impact on the voters decision and then it's too late because people have already voted.

    I don't however buy into conspiracy theories in terms of something dodgy happening with those postal votes.

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    right a little rant from me and this can be deleted all it wants I realty don't care.

     

    I for one am getting really sick of being treated the way I am when it comes to talking about this stuff I am really sick of being accused of hating the English or having an anti English rhetoric

     

    Aye, and a No vote is asking for more of the same treatment for Scotland for another few years at least. The alternative is to give up being Scottish / Scotland. The latter isn't going to happen as Britishness in Scotland has been in decline since it peaked in those born in 1944 / the post-war consensus generation. It is literally dying and there's not much that can be done to stop it. Even devo max would have just bought one more generation of union. There is no purpose to the union; what it was created for (empire) is gone and what held it together (post-war socialism which created a 'British society' for the first time) after that is on its last legs too, driven by the individualism 'there is no such thing as [british] society' of Thatcherism.

     

    As I've discussed at length, the feelings you are describing may very well have created a situation where polls are not telling the truth / why every poll bar straight Y/N suggests Yes, as does canvassing.

     

    You can't insult and demonise people / an entire nation relentlessly for holding a particular view and expect them to be fully open about that view in public. Instead, they tend to shut up and wait for a suitable moment to leave the party.

     

    We shall have to wait and see.

     

     

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    Bit out of the (internet) loop here in Menorca, but I see we have hit a record medal tally for the CW games. Great stuff team Scotland!

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  • Location: Carryduff, County Down 420ft ASL
  • Location: Carryduff, County Down 420ft ASL

    Apparently free speech is only acceptable with a British accent and Scottish independence is offensive. Question is who gave the orders for this disgraceful action:

     

    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/glasgow-2014-team-scotland-fan-3928716

     

    Also, there have been supportes of the NI boxing team waving RoI tricolurs. Now, this whole flag thing is bit childish but you can't have one rule for one, and different rules for others.

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  • Location: Maddiston , Falkirk, Scotland 390ft above sea level
  • Location: Maddiston , Falkirk, Scotland 390ft above sea level

    No contradiction with this statement from Police Scotland and Union flags then:

     

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    Police Scotland later issued a statement saying that officers were acting in line with the ticketing terms and conditions laid down by the Games organisers and that political messages or symbols are not allowed within venues.

    The statement said: "Comments suggesting Police Scotland does not allow Saltire Flags into venues is inaccurate. Saltire Flags are allowed into venues as are flags associated with other competing nations.However, flags from non-competing nations or flags affiliated with to other organisations or causes, political or otherwise, are restricted."

     

    Does someone want to write to Police Scotland and the games organisers about this breach?

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  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level
  • Weather Preferences: dry sunny average summers and really cold snowy winters
  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level

    Seriously???....Scottish People's Republic??!

    .... at least you have representatives of Russia's Central Electoral Commission,  amongst others, monitoring the referendum.

     

     

    and again another comment from south of the border to try and make us look bad trying to make out we are some how a dictatorship like Russia or want to be.

     

    the only dictatorship running this country is a Westminster parliament a parliament and a party that we neither voted for or wanted to have run over our country.

     

    now that's a true dictatorship a person or body who wont let the people have what they want and that's the full running from the party we elected the SNP.

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  • Location: Maddiston , Falkirk, Scotland 390ft above sea level
  • Location: Maddiston , Falkirk, Scotland 390ft above sea level

    Well if you listen to that puddin Carmichael. He sounds like he wants to remind Scots who's boss and claw back control from Edinburgh. He said we needed to be reminded of our British identity. If we need reminded thent it means we dont have one and you can't force people to be a nationality you prefer.

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  • Location: Bramley, Hampshire, 70m asl
  • Location: Bramley, Hampshire, 70m asl

    well you know what we do if we feel there is any cheating going on or we are done wrong we go and stand and shut off the border and we tell them we wont budge till we have what is rightfully ours.

     

    and again another comment from south of the border to try and make us look bad trying to make out we are some how a dictatorship like Russia or want to be.

     

     

    Simply replying to your call for direct action if you are "done wrong".

    "stand and shut off the border" until "we have what is rightfully ours"??!  Comments like that don't seem reasonable to me, surely the ballot box is the right way to go about things otherwise you lose all legitimacy. As SS points out " the SNP are the Scottish Government. People monitoring the count are Scottish and will represent both sides. The police and courts are Scottish and again represent both sides.

    Hopefully everyone will abide by the outcome of the referendum whatever the result.

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    now that's a true dictatorship a person or body who wont let the people have what they want and that's the full running from the party we elected the SNP.

    is that the royal we? in fact in both in the general election and the Scottish election the SNP did not get a majority vote..in fact they got less than 20% in the 2010 election and 44% in the Scottish election so the majority did not vote for them.

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  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level
  • Weather Preferences: dry sunny average summers and really cold snowy winters
  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level

    Simply replying to your call for direct action if you are "done wrong".

    "stand and shut off the border" until "we have what is rightfully ours"??!  Comments like that don't seem reasonable to me, surely the ballot box is the right way to go about things otherwise you lose all legitimacy. As SS points out " the SNP are the Scottish Government. People monitoring the count are Scottish and will represent both sides. The police and courts are Scottish and again represent both sides.

    Hopefully everyone will abide by the outcome of the referendum whatever the result.

     

    if we feel there has been cheating going on then we have a democratic right to protest like we have seen in many countries worldwide yes the ballot box is the way to go but if we feel there has been a wrong doing in the process then we are entitled to not see that process as a lawful and legitimate process and to protest that and if that means standing at the border to get that point across then so be it.

     

     

    is that the royal we? in fact in both in the general election and the Scottish election the SNP did not get a majority vote..in fact they got less than 20% in the 2010 election and 44% in the Scottish election so the majority did not vote for them.

     

     

    the SNP hold power in the Scottish parliament yet are not allowed to make full decisions for said country due to processes put in place by a Westminster parliament which makes them a dictatorship.

     

    wish you people would stop picking on small things and turning them against us good Scottish people who are trying to decide our future and want that to be done in a fair way but see things coming into this process which could be abused to stop us from having a fair say.

     

    your nit picking just clearly shows who has the problem in this and its south of the border again trying to limit our democratic right to free speech.

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    No contradiction with this statement from Police Scotland and Union flags then:

     

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    Police Scotland later issued a statement saying that officers were acting in line with the ticketing terms and conditions laid down by the Games organisers and that political messages or symbols are not allowed within venues.

    The statement said: "Comments suggesting Police Scotland does not allow Saltire Flags into venues is inaccurate. Saltire Flags are allowed into venues as are flags associated with other competing nations.However, flags from non-competing nations or flags affiliated with to other organisations or causes, political or otherwise, are restricted."

     

    Does someone want to write to Police Scotland and the games organisers about this breach?

    The issue wasn't that it's a Saltire, it's that it had a political message. The national anthem (which is also the royal anthem outside the UK!) was used for the queen, and the red arrows have always used red, white and blue. I honestly think that the Games have done well to stay politically neutral as much as possible, but the internet have tried to scrutinise every aspect of them, so they're going to find some conspiracy somewhere. In all fairness, when the Games revolve around a group of countries that used to be part of the British Empire and have the Queen as head of state, it's impossible to make them completely neutral. 

     

    Union Flags aren't allowed into venues either as the UK isn't competing. Them getting removed wouldn't attract media attention because it's not a big enough deal to write an article about it (!). The policy (and common sense) is to remove the flag rather than escorting the spectator out with the flag, so there's bound to be more to the story here.

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    is that the royal we? in fact in both in the general election and the Scottish election the SNP did not get a majority vote..in fact they got less than 20% in the 2010 election and 44% in the Scottish election so the majority did not vote for them.

     

    Actually, they got 45% in 2011 and pro-independence parties got >51% of the vote. So a majority did vote for the referendum, just not the SNP.

     

    For 2010, >30% planned to vote SNP then at least 10 points of that voted tactically for Labour or the Libs based on polls. If people had voted for the party they wanted, the SNP would have likely beaten Labour.

     

    The politicians Scotland elects to Westminster are largely irrelevant and in no way can be considered as representing the Scottish electorate. It is in a way more comparable to an EU election in Scotland; it is Scotland's representation in the union parliament, just as people in England elect MEPs for Brussels. It is also an out of date result; 2011 being the more important and most recent election. Add in the huge tactical vote due to FPTP and Scotland's Westminster MPs simple represent a desperate anti-Tory vote. That's all. Holyrood is Scotland's PR-type parliament; it is the voice of the Scottish electorate.

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    On the subject of the commonwealth games...

     

    I think people getting into trouble for waving yes banners is brilliant. Likewise all the attempts (notably by the BBC) to make it a British games. The more union flags are 'allowed' and Yes people dragged out the better. I want the BBC to keep saying the words Team GB the home nations team(s) every five minutes. As British as possible please!

     

    Union flags are either disliked, hated or mean nothing emotionally to most Scots. It is the butcher's apron / the Tory flag as appropriate. Jeez, just 17% would pick it as their flag with 74% picking the saltire. Waving it left right and centre won't change that, just likely increase Yes votes from what was supposed to be a Scottish games. The union games were in London. The union flag had its games and it has no place in Glasgow other than attached to the corner of some independent nation flags. This is not lost on the Scottish electorate and any attempt to britify the games will just backfire.

     

    Keep it up anyway BBC et al. I want a Yes vote after all.

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    Union Flags aren't allowed into venues either as the UK isn't competing. Them getting removed wouldn't attract media attention because it's not a big enough deal to write an article about it (!).

     

    Daily Mail would have a field day.

     

    Salmond orders beloved union flag torn from the hands of small children ruining games in dictatorial British purge!

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  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level
  • Weather Preferences: dry sunny average summers and really cold snowy winters
  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level

    Daily Mail would have a field day.

     

    Salmond orders beloved union flag torn from the hands of small children ruining games in dictatorial British purge!

     

     

    if I could give that ten reputation votes I would so true and so funny lol

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  • Location: Maddiston , Falkirk, Scotland 390ft above sea level
  • Location: Maddiston , Falkirk, Scotland 390ft above sea level

    The red white and blue over parkhead was political.The point has already been made that the red arrows had blue and white smoke for the opening of the Scottish parliament and red and white for English footie.So that point is complete bumkum. I never said people got chipped out for Saltires? The English national anthem cannot be anything but political when played in Scotland so that comment suggests a real lack of understanding.70% of Scots detest it for a multitude of reasons.What country in the world doesn't play its own anthem.Unless you are suggesting this is Britains games again a bogus comment.The Union jacks were awash in Hampden from start to finish.Also help for heroes handing out double sided flags is not political? BBC London running the show for Scotland despite the filming all being done by an independent company?Sure the English think its great it's like a home games for you guys.I feel I am being presented my own country from a third party.Finally Laura Muir gets clipped by an English runner and knocked out of 1500 and there is complete radio silence?

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  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level
  • Weather Preferences: dry sunny average summers and really cold snowy winters
  • Location: falkirk, scotland, 16.505m, 54.151ft above sea level

    Yes Scotland â€@YesScotland 2m

    Matching similar nations for equality would see 99% of us £2,700 better off #indyref #VoteYes

     

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    better together HAHA! here's 2700 reason why the union is a bad idea.

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  • Location: Knowle, Solihull - 400ft (122m) ASL
  • Location: Knowle, Solihull - 400ft (122m) ASL

    Scottish independence vote is too close to call

    Despite the preponderance of polling pointing towards a victory for the No campaign, our model suggests that the result is still too close to call.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2014/07/30/scottish-independence-vote-is-too-close-to-call/

     

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  • Location: Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire
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  • Location: Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire

    Scottish independence vote is too close to call

    Despite the preponderance of polling pointing towards a victory for the No campaign, our model suggests that the result is still too close to call.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2014/07/30/scottish-independence-vote-is-too-close-to-call/

     

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    While No is certainly looking like the most likely outcome, the results night will make tense and interesting viewing!

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  • Location: Salzburger Sportwelt Lungau/ Pongau Region. Somtimes Skipton UK
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  • Location: Salzburger Sportwelt Lungau/ Pongau Region. Somtimes Skipton UK

    Just catching up the all the action from the Games. Looks like a great show and reception from the hosts. Even the Wallace chap has withheld his political tongue during the games. Sport is more unifying than politics. Well done Glasgow, you have delivered and shown a good light to the rest of the world and indeed the United Kingdom.

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  • Location: Maddiston , Falkirk, Scotland 390ft above sea level
  • Location: Maddiston , Falkirk, Scotland 390ft above sea level

    Wallace didn't need to speak the kilt at the start spoke for him!

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