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    I can no argue with you, but I must point out that Scotland is not Norway.

    She is as British as us and not Scandinavian.

    Carbon capture and storage is hypothetical at the moment.

    I think Mr Obama has been bending some ears up North.

    Mr Salmond is telling it how he see's it, he can not see very far.

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    And that ignorant, offensive, rant sums up exactly why the YES campaign failed  

    Good god. What a load of boarish spiteful bile from bad losers has been posted during the night. I actually dread to think how Scotland would be run if this is representative of how the yes vote behav

    I'm disappointed in the lack of grace shown by some across the net in accepting this No vote. A complete lack of any empathy and understanding as to why fellow Scots didn't vote Yes.   I personally

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    and I doubt they'd sell themselves on their favour/disfavour for independence, amongst other differences.

     

    Like this you mean?

     

    At least in terms of a newspaper (in this case the most widely selling in Scotland) selling itself on a particular political view.

     

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    I wonder if SPT have ever carried adverts for The Sun.

     

    Agreed Wings is borderline in terms of being 'political', even though it is not a political party front, not affiliated with a party, nor the same for any campaign in any official capacity. No more so than e.g. the Record is Labour stalwart. However, the editor is openly pro-indy, although arguably that's more balanced because it Wings doesn't pretend to be impartial in any way. It also has carried articles by unionists before.

     

    Did the trick anyway.

     

    Also Wings got a full refund. So, managed to get to all those commuters on the subway in Glasgow, create a social media storm, then get Scotland-wide advertising through the BBC, STV etc. All for the grand sum of £0.00.

     

    Nice.

     

    Whoever complained clearly lacked grey matter. Jeez, the first thing I thought when I heard it was to be pulled was 'Excellent!' then I sat back and waited for the Streisand Effect to follow, which it promptly did. 

     

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    Bingo!

     

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    Oh and just to clarify, I think England / the rUK (should a new union emerge) can 'go it alone' and be independent. It did this just fine for centuries before the union. I'm not sure why some unionists fear independence for south of the border so much. Why the self-doubt / need to stay with Scotland? Why not more confident? Yeh it might be tough at times, but every country has its ups and downs. So would an independent Scotland.

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    Scotland once built some of the worlds finest ships and battleships, they had a great reputation, us in England always respect Scottish engineering skill.

    The rest of the world does not, the rest of the world stopped buying Scottish ships and Battleships.

    We will need Scottish battleships in the South Atlantic again probably.

    Mr Obama would like you to leave, then we would be weaker......  So what, we are not too worried, we still have a powerful sword. You do not have much of a Sword, maybe we will lend you ours (90% of us would lend the sword).

    If you leave I wish you good luck and mean you no harm, but I would be sad at having to face the rest of them with out you....

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    y.

    She is as British as us and not Scandinavian.

     

     

    That's somewhat at odds with reality, but hey-ho.

     

    Yougov poll. Slightly strange one in the sense I wonder who was asking and why.
     
     
    Their weighting tends to favour the pro-union side but the results are still interesting.
     
    Which one of the following countries do you think Scotland is the most similar to?
     
    34% Rest of the UK
    16% Norway
    12% Ireland
    6% Denmark
    3% Sweden
    2% Finland
    2% Iceland
    1% Austria
    1% Belgium
    1% Cyprus
    1% Netherlands
     
    19% Don't know
     
    That's from a very pro-union biased pollster too.
     
    Note only 27% of Scots have 'British' as part or all of their national identity (2011 census). In 'forced choice' (i.e. dual Scottish-British not an option), this drops to ~18%.
     
    Unless you refer to citizenship. I doubt anyone in Scotland who's a British Citizen would deny that they are this any more than they'd deny they are a European Citizen. 
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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    Rusty, Scotland's not actually going anywhere and I'd imagine England / the rUK would have the Scots there to back them if the UK was threatened; that or any other close ally.

     

    Independence for the home nations creates the opportunity for a much more equal partnership of nations fit for a modern age.

     

    Scotland has been holding out an olive branch since 2007 in the form of devo max. The UK continues as a federation / confederation and Scotland gets the government it wants / pays it's own way. Shared defence and foreign relations.

     

    If there is a Yes in September, you can blame the UK government for not representing the wishes of the second largest of the home nations and saying no to this option, whereby ending the UKoGB.

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    I saw fishy mentioned and that brought a thought to me about EC fisheries policy and in particular quotas. Can some of you more learned folks answer this question for me. If iScotland was not in the EU from day one, would only Scottish fisherman be allowed to fish in iScotland territorial waters and would fishing quotas be only determined by the SG? Just wondering what impact this would have on EU member fisherman.

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    I saw fishy mentioned and that brought a thought to me about EC fisheries policy and in particular quotas. Can some of you more learned folks answer this question for me. If iScotland was not in the EU from day one, would only Scottish fisherman be allowed to fish in iScotland territorial waters and would fishing quotas be only determined by the SG? Just wondering what impact this would have on EU member fisherman.

     

    Yes - if you are not in the EU then you have full control of your fisheries. Part of the reason Norway chooses to remain non-EU.

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     The fish thing sounds good to me.

    We would need some Type 45's.....

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    To get your own fish, you know, the fish you think you own.

    Type 45 built by good shipwrights. Great Battleships for want of a better word 

    Cod started the last fish war, Scottish built ships were in the loosing side in that one, sadly.

    Back to food then.....

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    Yes - if you are not in the EU then you have full control of your fisheries. Part of the reason Norway chooses to remain non-EU.

    The Common Fisheries Policy really needed to do more to prevent overfishing. Fortunately it was reformed this year, it's just a bit of a disaster how it took so long after it was clear it had failed to change.
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  • Location: Knowle, Solihull - 400ft (122m) ASL
  • Location: Knowle, Solihull - 400ft (122m) ASL

    George Galloway urges Scotland to say 'naw' -

    John Harris joins Respect MP George Galloway in Glenrothes, Fife, on his 'Just Say Naw' tour – his alternative anti-independence campaign to the main parties' Better Together campaign. Galloway says of the prospects for an independent Scotland: 'The problems of neither place will be solved by splitting the country up'

     

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/video/2014/mar/26/george-galloway-scotland-say-naw-video

     

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    I've heard (via a third party) that Cleggy said in his debate last night with Farage that the UK would become "little England" if it left the EU. If true then that sums up the Westminster attitude to non-English parts of the UK, including Wales and Northern Ireland.

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    George Galloway urges Scotland to say 'naw' -

    John Harris joins Respect MP George Galloway in Glenrothes, Fife, on his 'Just Say Naw' tour – his alternative anti-independence campaign to the main parties' Better Together campaign. Galloway says of the prospects for an independent Scotland: 'The problems of neither place will be solved by splitting the country up'

     

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/video/2014/mar/26/george-galloway-scotland-say-naw-video

     

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    Aye, George "independence for everywhere except Scotland" Galloway.

     

    I don't think people really care what he thinks. Probably in part due to him often attempting to play the old sectarian card.  

     

    He seems to have never got over getting just 3.3% on the Glasgow regional list in 2011, and that's after having been an MP there in the past. Ooch.

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    I've heard (via a third party) that Cleggy said in his debate last night with Farage that the UK would become "little England" if it left the EU. If true then that sums up the Westminster attitude to non-English parts of the UK, including Wales and Northern Ireland.

     

    I dunno, polls show the prospect of Scotland getting pulled out of the EU by the rUK ramps up support for Scottish independence considerably, so Clegg might just be telling it straight for once.

     

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    EDIT. Caught some of the Clegg vs Farage debate last night. Interesting to have the two main fringe parties in Scotland debating on prime time. Surreal in a way. 'Look viewers - this is the really big debate in the country right now!'. Erm...

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  • Location: Calgary, Canada (1230m asl)
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    I dunno, polls show the prospect of Scotland getting pulled out of the EU by the rUK ramps up support for Scottish independence considerably, so Clegg might just be telling it straight for once.

     

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    EDIT. Caught some of the Clegg vs Farage debate last night. Interesting to have the two main fringe parties in Scotland debating on prime time. Surreal in a way. 'Look viewers - this is the really big debate in the country right now!'. Erm...

     

    Aye, that's a fair point SS. In defence of Cleggy he's not exactly got much to lose north of the border, so why worry about throwaway comments?

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    Aye, George "independence for everywhere except Scotland" Galloway.

     

    I don't think people really care what he thinks. Probably in part due to him often attempting to play the old sectarian card.  

     

    He seems to have never got over getting just 3.3% on the Glasgow regional list in 2011, and that's after having been an MP there in the past. Ooch.

     

    Sectarianism in Scotland is a minority issue, away from the west of Scotland it's not an issue. A few of my colleagues at work are fellow westies like me, or from NI, and we actually joke about the lack of sectarianism in the borders.

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    It was called the underground by my Glasgow friends when I travelled on it in the 60s. One of the most frightening experiences of my life. I think the coaches were Victorian.

     

    I should have added the most frightening was watching a Glasgow Clippie in action. What a great bunch. Cummoangetaff!

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  • Location: Knowle, Solihull - 400ft (122m) ASL
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    Aye, George "independence for everywhere except Scotland" Galloway.

     

    I don't think people really care what he thinks. Probably in part due to him often attempting to play the old sectarian card.  

     

    He seems to have never got over getting just 3.3% on the Glasgow regional list in 2011, and that's after having been an MP there in the past. Ooch.

     

    Maybe, but he seems to be drawing reasonable sized crowds. He's certainly an engaging speaker.

     

    Not sure why he's taken to permanently wearing that hat everywhere he goes, however - perhaps he wears it in the shower too Posted Image

     

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    Lamont's hubbie is on the board of SPT, I wonder if there was some pillow talk and a couple of quick phone calls?

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
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    Maybe, but he seems to be drawing reasonable sized crowds. He's certainly an engaging speaker.

     

    Not sure why he's taken to permanently wearing that hat everywhere he goes, however - perhaps he wears it in the shower too Posted Image

     

    Bish

     

    I imagine some find him entertaining, I'll give you that.

     

    In the end though, he's an attention seeker and just after a place at the trough like the rest. He used to get elected in Glasgow because he was standing for Labour in what was a Labour heartland. When he tried to get elected as himself - and under proportional representation I might add - he got nowhere. His fear is that as he's unelectable in Scotland, if Scotland votes yes, he might it harder to hold onto a seat in England.

     

    A good contrasting comparison is Dennis Canavan. Labour MP, then MSP. Proper labour / left. The blairites kicked him out for being a socialist / being too supportive of Scotland / the Scottish parliament so he stood as an independent and beat them by a big margin. He won because he was popular and honest. George got nowhere because he's not, basically.

     

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    In the meantime. Some stats from Labour's recent Devo Hate Salmond and the SNP' proposal. Sorry, I mean Devo Nano minus.

     

     

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    Also. Conflicting headlines of the week...

     

     

    Yet just days later...

     

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/salman-shaheen/welfare-cap_b_5042380.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

     

    Labour Has Betrayed Its Supporters by Voting for the [Tory] Welfare Cap

     

     

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    Also, the floor crossing continues...

     

     

     

    http://www.yesscotland.net/news/former-liberal-democrat-chief-executive-andy-myles-backs-yes

     

    Former Liberal Democrat chief executive Andy Myles backs Yes

     

     
    The chief executive of the Scottish Liberal Democrats from 1992 to 1997 revealed today why he’ll be voting Yes in September’s independence referendum.
     
    Andy Myles was a key Lib Dem negotiator in the Constitutional Convention that drew up the proposals for devolution, and was part of the team which negotiated the first Scottish Executive Labour-Lib Dem coalition agreement in 1999, and again in 2003.
     
    Despite being one of the contributory architects of the devolution project, he says he is now convinced that independence is the best way forward for Scotland...

     

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    Former Liberal Democrat chief executive Andy Myles backs Yes

    Not at all surprised by this and he wont be the last. If anything the staunchly unionist Lib Dems are an artificial construct set in motion in 2007 from on high by Ming Campbell, which resulted (and would have done even without May 2010 and the UK coalition) in a significant decline in Lib Dem membership in Scotland and a far greater shift in the 'yellow liberal' vote from Lib Dem to the SNP in 2011.

    There are Lib Dem councillors who are YES and I suspect there will be MPs voting YES too. Heard much from Charles Kennedy lately? Posted Image

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    Not at all surprised by this and he wont be the last. 

     

    Another the morn.

     

     
    Another leading Lib Dem says Yes is right answer for Scotland and the rest of UK
     
    Another senior Liberal Democrat, who helped negotiate the first Scottish government coalition agreement, is giving his support to the Yes campaign.
     
    Denis Robertson Sullivan, a former treasurer of the Scottish Liberal Democrats, says he has no doubt that independence will be good for Scotland and the rest of the UK.

     

     

     
    Also, wings adverts back on the Glasgow subway. Also buses etc across Scotland.
     
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    You don't often see Yessers sharing Mail front pages, but this morning's is flying around.
     
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  • Location: Carryduff, County Down 420ft ASL
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    One reason why the RUK needs Scotland more than Scotland needs RUK...

     

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-26783713

     

    Now, bear in mind Scotland would have a surplus on it's current account, without Scotland's exports this would be even worse!

     

    Its also shows that all this investment in London and the South East, doesn't actually produce anything tangible, it is a house of straw.

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  • Location: Leeds/Bradford border, 185 metres above sea level, around 600 feet
  • Location: Leeds/Bradford border, 185 metres above sea level, around 600 feet

    One reason why the RUK needs Scotland more than Scotland needs RUK...

     

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-26783713

     

    Now, bear in mind Scotland would have a surplus on it's current account, without Scotland's exports this would be even worse!

     

    Its also shows that all this investment in London and the South East, doesn't actually produce anything tangible, it is a house of straw.

     

     

    London actually has a current surplus itself. This is not a reflection of the finance industry being bad per say for the country as a whole, simply that politicians are not doing enough to stoke growth outside of London and Scotland.

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  • Location: Carryduff, County Down 420ft ASL
  • Location: Carryduff, County Down 420ft ASL

    London has a trade surplus?, in tangible things?

     

    What tangible stuff does London produce?, is their a link to a UK breakdown of trade?

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