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Sorry, but can't resist being pedantic...

http://www.bbc.co.uk...otland-22015368

The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge have visited Glasgow at the start of a two-day trip to Scotland.

Duke and Duchess of Cambridge? Who are they? There's not a Cambridge in the Kindgom of Scotland that I'm aware of.

Ah, they mean the Earl and Countess of Strathearn.

At least BBC Radio Scotland had it right when I was listening on the way home (Earl did this, Countess did that etc).

I note down the bottom of the BBC article is says:

He will be showing William and Catherine, who are known as the Earl and Countess of Strathearn in Scotland, around a new outdoor centre situated in the grounds.

Well you might want to call them that then if that's their title so as to avoid confusion. That and I understand getting titles wrong was something of a faux pas in aristocratic circles. Posted Image

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And that ignorant, offensive, rant sums up exactly why the YES campaign failed  

Good god. What a load of boarish spiteful bile from bad losers has been posted during the night. I actually dread to think how Scotland would be run if this is representative of how the yes vote behav

I'm disappointed in the lack of grace shown by some across the net in accepting this No vote. A complete lack of any empathy and understanding as to why fellow Scots didn't vote Yes.   I personally

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Well surely Scotland on Sunday has put another nail in the Scotsman coffin with their bit of sick photoshopping. I'd be amazed come referendum day the Scotsman or SoS is about to report the results, sadly for a once fairly decent paper it would be a case of good riddance. Sales and advertising revenue surely will take the trajectory of a lead ballon?

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Well surely Scotland on Sunday has put another nail in the Scotsman coffin with their bit of sick photoshopping. I'd be amazed come referendum day the Scotsman or SoS is about to report the results, sadly for a once fairly decent paper it would be a case of good riddance. Sales and advertising revenue surely will take the trajectory of a lead ballon?

I thought about commenting on that - caused quite a storm - but in the end it's just the Scotsman kicking out as it takes its dying breaths.

Wings over Scotland discuss here.

More pertinent is this:

http://nationalcollective.com/2013/04/07/dirty-money-the-tory-millionaire-bankrolling-better-together/

Dirty Money: The Tory Millionaire Bankrolling Better Together

Today ‘Better Together’ disclosed £1.1 million of donations to its campaign. Almost half of that sum came from one man: Ian Taylor, a long-term Conservative Party donor and Chief Executive of oil-traders Vitol plc.....

....In 1996 Vitol paid $1 million to the Serbian paramilitary leader Arkan to settle a score over a secret oil deal to supply Slobodan Milosevic’s Serbia with fuel. Ian Taylor’s director, Bob Finch, used Arkan as a ‘fixer’ after the oil deal in the former Yugoslavia collapsed. Arkan was assassinated in 2000....

....While Ian Taylor was Chief Executive, Vitol paid $13 million in kickbacks to Iraqi officials under Saddam Hussein to win oil supply contracts. The company pled guilty in a U.S. court to grand larceny in November 2007 and paid $17.5 million in restitution as a result. This undercut the UN oil-for-food program – 1996-2003 – that sought to trade Iraqi energy resources for humanitarian supplies....

....Vitol plc employed the controversial tax avoidance scheme known as ‘Employee Benefit Trusts’. (EBTs) Such schemes allowed employees to avoid paying income tax and companies to avoid national insurance contributions. Vitol used the scheme ‘for more than a decade’....

...According to today’s Sunday Herald, Ian Taylor has donated £550,000 to the Conservative Party since 2006. He was one of the 70 millionaires who paid the £50,000 privilege to join David Cameron’s Leaders Group. Leaders Group membership led, in many cases, to a private dinner with the Prime Minister, which Taylor attended in Downing Street on November 2nd 2011. This was part of the “cash for access scandalâ€....

Aye, the pro-union campaign have half their funding courtesy of a tax avoiding, happy to deal with tyrants/mass murderers, corrupt cash for access Tory. Lovely.

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I remember that, i.e. back in 2006.

Obviously didn't work.

Dave does seem to have a have a soft spot for Scotland; after all part of his family is from here. However, I don't think the party he leads cares that much - Scotland's a pain in the behind to them.

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Here's him in Govan (Nicola Sturgeon MSP and DFM SNP 54%, Labour 35%, Tories 8% Libs 3%) the day. Crowd look positively ecstatic.

Been saying how the shiny new WMDs could be bought from savings made from the Bedroom tax and workfare.

“Mr Cameron insists the Trident programme offers good value – at an annual cost of 1.5 per cent of Britain’s benefits bill.â€

Apparently he even brought up Braveheart. Posted Image

G'an yersel Dave. Who's the man!

From Wings over Scotland:

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http://wingsoverscot...wowing-a-crowd/

He seems more and more like Colonist visiting an outpost that he really has no interest in. To the people of Scoland he has become like a foreign prime minister. We are so detatched from English politics that we can't relate to Westminster.
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I have to say that it's always sad when someone dies. But it's hard to find anything nice to say about that woman. She created the greedy souless country that exists in parts of England. It didn't really work up here but we still suffer the social consequences of her legacy. That and the jingoism of the Falklands about sums her up. A dangerous callous woman.

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I have to say that it's always sad when someone dies. But it's hard to find anything nice to say about that woman. She created the greedy souless country that exists in parts of England. It didn't really work up here but we still suffer the social consequences of her legacy. That and the jingoism of the Falklands about sums her up. A dangerous callous woman.

aye , am wae ye there pal.

no one for crying crocodile tears over a woman i couldnae stand , but wont speak ill of the dead either.

remember as a wee boy our whole street out in protest at the bailiffs coming to pound a neighbours house for non payment of her poll tax. Every single working age man unemployed , plumbers ,joiners , brickies the lot.

The scots are not a forgiving people , as her party has found to its cost.

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That is a great songPosted Image . Cap in Hand is arguably even better and a very clever and witty Scottish Independence song (and I say that as a totally unoffended Englishwoman). You should post them on the song thread in the loungePosted Image

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http://news.stv.tv/scotland/220394-independence-majority-care-more-about-fairness-than-economy/

Independence: Majority care more about 'fairness' than economy

The prospect of a fairer society is a major motivating factor in the independence referendum, a poll suggests.

The survey of 1002 people in Scotland shows that around three-fifths (58%) agree that consideration of a fairer and more equal society is more important than whether they will be slightly richer or poorer...

...Only ten per cent say that economics will be more important in reaching a decision before the referendum in September 2014. About one-third neither agree nor disagree.

Which is why the pro-union campaign are barking up the wrong tree by placing a lot of focus on the economy.

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Holyrood is rather well balanced reflecting many decades of 'centrist' voting in Scotland. In the past that was half old Labour (left), half old Tory / Scottish unionist (moderate right). Remains the same today but in a different form.

Under independence:

SNP will lose more left and more right to form a smaller centrist [scottish] Social Democrats (no need to call them 'Scottish' under independence!). Nicola Sturgeon (DFM) odds on for Scotland's first PM. Unlikely to ever get a majority again, but regularly largest party in coalition with either the left (Scottish Labour) or right ('Scottish Progress Party') or with other centrist liberals (Scottish Lib Dems).

Greens (advocate independence) will be the Greens.

Lib Dems for Independence to form the Lib Dems. Likely to work happily in coalition with the SSD as noted (both are yellow flag wavers).

Labour for Independence to make up the bulk of Labour (moderate left). Should do quite well; main left party.

Scottish Socialist Party - far left - might get an MSP or two.

Tories become 'Progress Party' or similar, most likely under Murdo Fraser (who tried to do this already, i.e. form an independent Scottish Tory party). Should do ok freed from 'London' control if it focusses on business 'right' and is moderate on social policy. Main 'right' party.

Other independents such as Margo filling in a few seats.

Overall I see Holyrood retaining it's generally centrist social democratic stance as noted with the SSD (SNP) forming the largest party in coalitions initially.

I favour a more centrist liberal social democratic stance (SNP right now) myself as opposed to strong socialism or strong capitalism; both the latter have problems as far as I'm concerned. Equilibrium between the two is my preference and Scotland has a long history of this; i.e. a good balance between moderate left and moderate right.

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Holyrood is rather well balanced reflecting many decades of 'centrist' voting in Scotland. In the past that was half old Labour (left), half old Tory / Scottish unionist (moderate right). Remains the same today but in a different form.

Under independence:

SNP will lose more left and more right to form a smaller centrist Scottish Social Democrats. Nicola Sturgeon (DFM) odds on for Scotland's first PM. Unlikely to ever get a majority again, but regularly largest party in coalition with either the left (Scottish Labour) or right ('Scottish Progress Party') or with other centrist liberals (Scottish Lib Dems).

Greens (advocate independence) will be the Greens.

Lib Dems for Independence to form the Lib Dems. Likely to work happily in coalition with the SSD as noted (both are yellow flag wavers).

Labour for Independence to make up the bulk of Labour (moderate left). Should do quite well; main left party.

Scottish Socialist Party - far left - might get an MSP or two.

Tories become 'Progress Party' or similar, most likely under Murdo Fraser (who tried to do this already, i.e. form an independent Scottish Tory party). Should do ok freed from 'London' control if it focusses on business 'right' and is moderate on social policy. Main 'right' party.

Other independents such as Margo filling in a few seats.

Overall I see Holyrood retaining it's generally centrist social democratic stance as noted with the SSD (SNP) forming the largest party in coalitions initially.

All sounds very European.

Will make interesting viewing south of the Border.

A few more fresh options on the menu would not go a miss down here!

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Your sins will find you out.

This story has made the MSM finally.

http://www.heraldsco...-donor.20752120

Controversial background of No campaign donor

...THE donor of half the £1.1 million raised by the No to independence campaign Better Together can be revealed today as a controversial oil trader who stands accused of cash-for-access to Downing Street.

Ian Taylor's Vitol international trading group also avoided UK tax and has been linked to dubious deals in Serbia, Iraq, Iran and Libya.

Mr Taylor is president and chief executive of Vitol.

It was founded in Rotterdam, operates out of London but headquartered in Switzerland, which has allowed it to sidestep European Union rules on issues such as sanctions.

In 2001, The Observer revealed the firm paid £1 million to Serbian war criminal Arkan to sort out an oil deal with the regime of Slobodan Milosevic which had turned sour. Vitol said no illegal conduct was involved in this transaction.

In 2007, Vitol pled guilty in a New York court to paying surcharges to Iraq's national oil company during Saddam Hussein's regime, undermining the UN oil-for-food programme in Iraq. It paid fines, restitution and costs totalling $17.5m.

In September last year, Vitol admitted buying and selling Iranian oil in a deal with China, but its Swiss status meant it did not breach EU and US sanctions. Vitol has confirmed it has since ended all sales of oil to and from Iran and has not broken any trading sanctions.

During and after the Libyan conflict, Vitol played a controversial role, providing fuel to rebels and selling their raw product. These deals were said to have involved Foreign Office officials and International Development Minister Alan Duncan – a former friend and work colleague of Mr Taylor and the recipient of donations from him.

Last year, it was revealed that for a decade the company had been using Employee Benefit Trusts which avoided tax on incomes of its UK staff and was in discussion with HMRC about a deal to pay this off.

Mr Taylor, said to have donated more than £500,000 to the Tories, became a member of David Cameron's Leaders' Club, entitling him to attend a dinner at No 10 Downing Street in November 2011. It was claimed the £500m Libyan deal or Mr Duncan's role in it were not discussed....

That's a lot of dirty money backing the pro-union campaign.

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In the Daily Record too now.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/better-together-campaign-backer-accused-1821976

Better Together campaign backer accused of links to terror chiefs and tyrant

I wonder if BT will do the right thing and return the money. The guy lives in London as is not even registered to vote in Scotland.

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http://nationalcolle...etter-together/

Dirty Money: The Tory Millionaire Bankrolling Better Together

Today ‘Better Together’ disclosed £1.1 million of donations to its campaign. Almost half of that sum came from one man: Ian Taylor, a long-term Conservative Party donor and Chief Executive of oil-traders Vitol plc.....

....In 1996 Vitol paid $1 million to the Serbian paramilitary leader Arkan to settle a score over a secret oil deal to supply Slobodan Milosevic’s Serbia with fuel. Ian Taylor’s director, Bob Finch, used Arkan as a ‘fixer’ after the oil deal in the former Yugoslavia collapsed. Arkan was assassinated in 2000....

....While Ian Taylor was Chief Executive, Vitol paid $13 million in kickbacks to Iraqi officials under Saddam Hussein to win oil supply contracts. The company pled guilty in a U.S. court to grand larceny in November 2007 and paid $17.5 million in restitution as a result. This undercut the UN oil-for-food program – 1996-2003 – that sought to trade Iraqi energy resources for humanitarian supplies....

....Vitol plc employed the controversial tax avoidance scheme known as ‘Employee Benefit Trusts’. (EBTs) Such schemes allowed employees to avoid paying income tax and companies to avoid national insurance contributions. Vitol used the scheme ‘for more than a decade’....

...According to today’s Sunday Herald, Ian Taylor has donated £550,000 to the Conservative Party since 2006. He was one of the 70 millionaires who paid the £50,000 privilege to join David Cameron’s Leaders Group. Leaders Group membership led, in many cases, to a private dinner with the Prime Minister, which Taylor attended in Downing Street on November 2nd 2011. This was part of the “cash for access scandalâ€....

Aye, the pro-union campaign have half their funding courtesy of a tax avoiding, happy to deal with tyrants/mass murderers, corrupt cash for access Tory. Lovely.

"First they ignore you,

then they laugh at you,

then they come to fight you,

and then you win."

https://www.facebook...639503279410174

On the 9th April 2013, Lawyers-Collyer & Bristow acting on behalf of Vitol and multimillionaire and principal donor to 'Better Together' - Ian Taylor threatened legal action against the 'National Collective' claiming that it was grossly defamatory.

Aamer Anwar [EDIT. Oh cool - This guy is the very best!], Solicitor acting on our behalf stated:

"National Collective have instructed my firm to act on their behalf, they state that they will not be bullied or silenced and state that their website is offline only as a temporary measure for a few days. A detailed and robust response will be issued early next week along with further questions for the 'Better Together Campaign' ."

Better together should read this too:

http://en.wikipedia....treisand_effect

Note National Collective is a created by pro-independence artists, writers etc. You might have read some of their books or admired their artwork; contributors to the site that is.

Think Irvine Welsh…

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The Daily Record hitting the right note for Scottish sentiment for once...

http://www.dailyreco...-250000-1821716

Angus Robertson's Thatcher speach in Westminster on behalf of the SNP and Plaid Cymru were short and er not so sweet.

Isn't it grown up that political parties from different countries can have a joint speech?

If I was her son, I would refuse the invitation for such a funeral because I couldn't stomach the protests and behavior of certain people which you know will come.

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Isn't it grown up that political parties from different countries can have a joint speech?

If I was her son, I would refuse the invitation for such a funeral because I couldn't stomach the protests and behavior of certain people which you know will come.

If I was her son, I doubt I'd want to show face anyway after the whole failed coup thing.
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Next they are coming for you.

http://wingsoverscot...ng-down-debate/

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Wings over Scotland just hit a million page views and has a readership of 50,000 now, outstripping most quality Scottish daily papers.

It's worrying the unionists (that and No falling and Yes rising), so time for strong arm tactics.

First National Collective, Now Wings over Scotland for blogging about the National article (apparently the Herald has got a letter too, but then they're big with lawyers, not just weak plebs blogging).

Here's the original National article (mirror made before it was taken down):

https://dl.dropboxus... Collective.htm

Seems just like a fair summary of the history of Taylor's vitol from major news sources.

Taylor's vitol is clean as a whistle? Make your own mind up; here's a selection of stories on it.

http://uk.reuters.co...tm_medium=email

http://uk.reuters.co...058211120071120

http://www.guardian....kans.warcrimes2

http://www.telegraph...dance-bill.html

http://www.mirror.co...-accused-151128

Well, not exact barnardos by the looks of it.

Aye, that's where nearly half of the pro-union campaign's cash has come from.

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