Jump to content
Cold?
Local
Radar
Snow?

Scottish Politics 2011-2017


Recommended Posts

It won't be just fisheries though, thin end, thick wedge. Food labelling and standards, agriculture, environment (read fracking) etc, etc will all ultimately be dictated by Westminster via Fluffie.

 

5679359.jpg?display=1&htype=0&type=respo

Are you YES yet?

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Replies 30.9k
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

  • Scottish-Irish Skier

    8874

  • mountain shadow

    1528

  • skifreak

    1435

  • frogesque

    1306

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Posts

And that ignorant, offensive, rant sums up exactly why the YES campaign failed  

Good god. What a load of boarish spiteful bile from bad losers has been posted during the night. I actually dread to think how Scotland would be run if this is representative of how the yes vote behav

I'm disappointed in the lack of grace shown by some across the net in accepting this No vote. A complete lack of any empathy and understanding as to why fellow Scots didn't vote Yes.   I personally

Posted Images

29 minutes ago, Dougal said:

I wonder if the speedy return of this pillock to the UK will be helped by a 'favourable' decision in the Ponsati extradition case.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44022511

That was under an English EAW, Clara's defence case is going through the Scottish Courts under Scots Law.

Completely different though I firmly believe if she were in England she would be toast.

Link to post
Share on other sites

So, Supreme Court it is then...

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/16211219.Sturgeon___No_easy_or_clear_path__to_Brexit_powers_deal/

I simply cannot fathom why Westminster cannot sit down with the devolved administrations and agree a common framework on each policy area.

Why must Westminster dictate?

Link to post
Share on other sites
27 minutes ago, mountain shadow said:

So, Supreme Court it is then...

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/16211219.Sturgeon___No_easy_or_clear_path__to_Brexit_powers_deal/

I simply cannot fathom why Westminster cannot sit down with the devolved administrations and agree a common framework on each policy area.

Why must Westminster dictate?

Does look like we are heading towards England attempting to reimpose direct rule, presumably for N. Ireland too.

The UK only just held together in 2014; damn near half the population voted to end it completely.

Just as demographics alone predicted, Yes voters are now in majority (albeit there's a disagreement on the EU vs EFTA). At the same time, unionism has finally lost its majority in N. Ireland.

I can't see the UK surviving more than 5 years if it continues on its present path. 

Anyway, if we are to see devolution rolled back without any democratic mandate, then it's fair for the Scottish government to simply refuse to comply with any changes. MPs can even withdraw from Westminster, ending any democratic legitimacy it has for legislating in Scotland.

The most important thing is to throw spanner after spanner into the brexit works, causing legal nightmare after nightmare for London until such time as devolution is respected. 

And this is very possible while Westminster takes the cowardly veto route rather than actually stripping devolved control, as it means Holyrood can competency pass spanner in works legislation which then needs to go to the supreme court to be dealt with. As soon as a ruling is made, a new law can be passed to throw in another spanner. Again and again and again....

Edited by scottish skier
  • Like 2
Link to post
Share on other sites

I see both political threads have descended into the regular 'Jocks are drunks/druggies' session, fueled by our glorious, fact-free 'proud British' media*.

Such a wonderful union; it's great Scotland is so highly respected. Who'd want to leave!

At such times, it's always worth remembering this (apologies for quoting experts):

Quote

https://archive.li/J3C7v

Demise of shipyards blamed for nation's ill health

The man in charge of the health of Scotland's five million people has blamed the demise of shipbuilding in the 1970s for the nation's poor health.

Chief Medical Officer Sir Harry Burns said the loss of so many jobs along the River Clyde and elsewhere left a void in the lives of former shipworkers which has since been replaced by ill health.

Speaking in Glasgow, he said Scotland had not always been the sick man of Europe and that the cure did not simply lie in healthier diets or cutting out tobacco.

Sir Harry told the Society for Acute Medicine conference at the SECC: "Scotland is not an inherently unhealthy place, nor are Scots inherently unhealthy."

Mortality rates in 24 council areas are in line with the average for western Europe, he said. It is the remaining few which give the country its poor health record and they are mostly clustered in west central Scotland.

Scots are not unhealthy at all. We have one particular area where one particular generation has very big, historical problems. Unemployment exceeded 30% in many areas of the city in the 1980's and took decades to recover. That was Thatchers 'economic miracle'; the legacy of which we are still trying to fix today.

 

EDIT

*This is why Westminster retains control of drug and alcohol laws / taxation as a reserved matter. God forbid Holyrood is given all the tools to properly deal with the issue and the 'jocks are drunks / druggies' line couldn't be sustained.

Edited by scottish skier
  • Like 2
  • Thanks 2
Link to post
Share on other sites

Think if you go into any city centre, anywhere in the UK, especially near the club scene you will find both men and women totally rocked and wasted on whatever. Not all are youths either.

Anyone thinking it's a peculiarly Scottish phenomenon is deluded.

SG minimum pricing is a way round the tax regime (reserved and set by Westminster) to balance the high pressure marketing of cheap (and usually foul) booze. 

Hopefully getting wasted will become as socially unacceptable as smoking. It will still go on but become less and less prevalent.

Social stereotypes like Dougal's above is not helpful, it no more depicts Scots than does Andy Capp depict Newcastle and Jordies. What is never shown is the stereotypical Scottish or otherwise matriarch who would never let drink cross her theshold (or her man!) There are always two sides.

Edit: Aye I do like a drink occasionally, I'm also still YES!

Edited by frogesque
Link to post
Share on other sites

Brent trading at $77 a barrel now; 2.7x what it was early 2016.

Bad news I presume; at least in Scotland, where everything is bad news.

The below is presumably also bad news, because, well, maybe it will cause a labour shortage in other sectors or something.

Can't be good news anyway*. Not in Scotland, the land of drunken racist coke addicts that burn babies in cardboard boxes.

Quote

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-44067949

Oil and gas industry 'needs 10,000 new roles' over next 20 years

About 10,000 new oil and gas roles need to be created over the next 20 years to cope with the changing demands of the industry, it has been claimed.

Skills and workforce body Opito said about 40,000 recruits are needed.

 

 

----

*

Quote

 

Edited by scottish skier
  • Like 2
Link to post
Share on other sites
4 hours ago, scottish skier said:

Brent trading at $77 a barrel now; 2.7x what it was early 2016.

Bad news I presume; at least in Scotland, where everything is bad news.

The below is presumably also bad news, because, well, maybe it will cause a labour shortage in other sectors or something.

Can't be good news anyway*. Not in Scotland, the land of drunken racist coke addicts that burn babies in cardboard boxes.

 

 

----

*

 

It really does break your heart the constant and unrelenting attack on Scotland by its own press.

Their own narrow blinkered Unionist agenda has left the printed press in Scotland in a terrible place.

If the Editors could only have the courage to stand up to their Unionist owners and offer a balanced view.

  • Like 2
Link to post
Share on other sites

Finally we get the best deal on something as part of the UK.

Quote

https://archive.li/HHQNF

Royal wedding: Scotland LEFT OUT as nation prepares to tune in via chain of big TV screens

THE BBC has been accused of “short-changing” licence fee payers in Scotland because there are no big outdoor screens to broadcast the royal wedding north of the border.

 

EDIT

And farmers of Scotland, this is why Westminster wants to 'take back control' of agriculture from Holyrood.

Quote

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-44085955

Delay to Scottish EU farm subsidy review

A long-anticipated review into how EU farm subsidies are distributed between Scotland and the rest of the UK has been delayed.

EU Convergence Uplift payments of £190m were triggered because of the low rate paid to hill farmers in Scotland.

But the money was shared out by the Treasury across the English farming sector.

The terms of a review of the payments had been agreed but UK Environment Secretary Michael Gove said it had been held up by the Treasury.

 

Edited by scottish skier
  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

Well, the day the SNP always said would come has arrived.

England is trying to reverse devolution because Scotland is voting on devolved matters in a way it doesn't like.

And so Holyrood will vote to refuse consent for UK rule in an attempt to protect itself, democracy, and the people of Scotland.

Quote

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-44113864

Holyrood set to reject Westminster Brexit powers bill

MSPs are set to formally refuse to give Holyrood's consent to the UK's main piece of Brexit legislation.

The Scottish and UK governments are at odds over the EU Withdrawal Bill and what it could mean for devolved powers.

Labour, Green and Lib Dem MSPs are expected to back SNP members in rejecting the Westminster bill, saying it would restrict Holyrood's powers.

Hold onto your hats; the crisis really escalates today.

Technically this - or at least the following continuity bill - will likely throw a huge spanner in the brexit negotiation works; one almost as big as its N. Irish counterpart.

It's why the UK press isn't mentioning this aspect at all. It has actually done so here and there in the small print, but it really doesn't want Scots understanding what is actually at stake here, and how this could set of a chain of events that leads to the rapid break up of the UK.

It's why the unionist press is losing the plot. And of course why Labour and the Lib Dems look so distraught; yet they will vote today to protect Holyrood because that's the best hope they have of the UK remaining united. 

Edited by scottish skier
  • Like 2
Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, scottish skier said:

Well, the day the SNP always said would come has arrived.

England is trying to reverse devolution because Scotland is voting on devolved matters in a way it doesn't like.

And so Holyrood will vote to refuse consent for UK rule in an attempt to protect itself, democracy, and the people of Scotland.

Hold onto your hats; the crisis really escalates today.

Technically this - or at least the following continuity bill - will likely throw a huge spanner in the brexit negotiation works; one almost as big as its N. Irish counterpart.

It's why the UK press isn't mentioning this aspect at all. It has actually done so here and there in the small print, but it really doesn't want Scots understanding what is actually at stake here, and how this could set of a chain of events that leads to the rapid break up of the UK.

It's why the unionist press is losing the plot. And of course why Labour and the Lib Dems look so distraught; yet they will vote today to protect Holyrood because that's the best hope they have of the UK remaining united. 

Will this be the first time the Scottish Parliament has refused legislative consent?

Coverage starts around 2.30pm. It will be an historic day.

Link to post
Share on other sites
21 minutes ago, mountain shadow said:

Will this be the first time the Scottish Parliament has refused legislative consent?

Coverage starts around 2.30pm. It will be an historic day.

Not quite. It did once before on a Westminster bill on welfare which affected devolved provision.

It then went on to pass its own 'welfare continuity bill' which addressed the issue, i.e. consent was refused and the UK bill never entered Scots law.

LCM%20Chart%20May%20pre-vote.png

What would be unprecedented would be for the UK government to attempt to use the concept of English parliamentary sovereignty to bypass British devolved law requiring consent (Scotland Act and Sewel convention) to overrule the Scottish parliament on Scottish devolved matters. That, as noted, didn't happen last time / has never happened before as it would be reimposition of direct rule.

 

 

Edited by scottish skier
  • Like 1
  • Thanks 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.
×
×
  • Create New...