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And that ignorant, offensive, rant sums up exactly why the YES campaign failed  

Good god. What a load of boarish spiteful bile from bad losers has been posted during the night. I actually dread to think how Scotland would be run if this is representative of how the yes vote behav

I'm disappointed in the lack of grace shown by some across the net in accepting this No vote. A complete lack of any empathy and understanding as to why fellow Scots didn't vote Yes.   I personally

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2 hours ago, scottish skier said:

And the world burst into laughter once more at the UK.

#representation #worldstage

Ah, but aren't quite a proportion of those working in hospitality also students? Much like the lovely waitress, from somewhere in Eastern Europe by the sounds of her accent, who served us dinner at the hotel in London recently. She was only in London as she was studying English Literature at Kings College. How do the Tories square that as they seemingly are happy to see the number of overseas students reduce?

From what she was saying about how expensive it was to live in London even as a student I doubt very much she'd have been tempted there to be a waitress full-time.

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Jeez another one.

Tories really have picked some erm, 'characters' for May's election.

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Tory candidate rapped for calling Nicola Sturgeon a ‘poison dwarf’

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A Scottish Conservative candidate in Perthshire has apologised for a series of inflammatory Facebook posts.

Ian James, who is seeking election to Perth & Kinross Council, described the term “African American” as a “stupid politically correct euphemism” and hailed the days of “political characters” like Enoch Powell, who achieved notoriety with his Rivers of Blood speech.

The Strathtay hopeful also called Nicola Sturgeon a “poison dwarf” and a “poisonous Oompah fr****n Loompah”.

Mr James’ comments have come to light in the wake of a flurry of Tory candidates being accused of touting racist or extreme views on the internet.

 

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31 minutes ago, scottish skier said:

Jeez another one.

Tories really have picked some erm, 'characters' for May's election.

It does kind of make a mockery of the term "political correctness".

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So long, farewell, auf Wiedersehen, adieu

Adieu, adieu, to yieu and yieu and yieu!

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/lloyds-chooses-berlin-germany-banking-base-european-hub-post-brexit-a7686886.html

Lloyds 'chooses Berlin' as base for its European hub post-Brexit

The bank reportedly considered several cities for the location of its EU base, including Amsterdam and Dublin

Lloyds Banking Group has reportedly chosen the German capital as the location for its European hub after the UK leaves the EU.

According to several media reports, the bank has decided to convert its Berlin branch into an official subsidiary of the main company, to enable the lender to continue to be able to provide clients with all its services after the split.

The Telegraph reported that Lloyds hopes to submit an application to German financial regulator BaFin to change the status of the Berlin branch by the end of September.

We really need tighter controls on entry to the UK to stop all this business flocking here due to brexit.

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And while we're at it, let's take a wee trip down memory lane...

What was it folk warned indy would result in while sensible heads knew it was a No vote much more likely to cause that stuff?...

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RBS and Lloyds Banking Group warn of possible relocation to London, if Scottish voters back breakaway from the UK

 

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Aye, that's it.

 

 

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Every day brings news like this. SNP need to use their control over the economy to sort it out.

Why don't they keep Scotland in the EU for example; trade deals being the lifeblood of an economy?

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Starbucks sees UK profits plunge 60pc as Brexit and slowing economy hit sales

tarbucks has blamed Brexit and a slowing economy for a dive in UK profits, while pointing to weakening consumer confidence as sales sagged.

"Starbucks in the UK has experienced significant economic and geopolitical headwinds this year which affected sales, including slowing economic growth, impact of Brexit and ongoing security concerns contributing to weakening consumer confidence," the company said.

The coffee giant said the consumer environment was "more cautious" than the previous year, with footfall down "noticeably" across the store estate.

 

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10 minutes ago, Bristle boy said:

Starbucks - cafe saturation on the high street. Increased competition - let's use Brexit as an excuse.

It was you that pointed out how Brexit is hitting the economy BB; as the Tories gave stark warning of before the vote.

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These are just due to 'increased competition on the high street'. Nothing to do with Brexit.

SNP can also use their control over the economy / international trade to sort it all out.

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Post-Brexit customs checks a 'catastrophe' for UK shipping: trade body

The introduction of physical customs checks following Brexit would be a catastrophe for British ports and shipping and would likely reduce the volume of trade, the head of the sector's UK industry body said on Wednesday.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-agencies-idUKKBN17J0W8

UK says no decision taken yet on location of EU agencies post-Brexit

The future location of the two European Union agencies based in London will be a matter for Brexit negotiations, the British government's Brexit department said on Monday, but EU officials said there was no doubt they would be moved.

London is home to both the European Medicines Agency (EMA) and the European Banking Authority (EBA), and last month the EU's draft plan for negotiations said arrangements should be made to transfer them to a state staying in the EU.

A spokeswoman for the British Brexit department said in a statement: "No decisions have been taken about the location of the European Banking Authority or the European Medicines Agency, these will be subject to the exit negotiations."

"As part of these negotiations the government will discuss with the EU and member states how best to continue cooperation in the fields of banking and medicines regulation in the best interests of both the UK and the EU. It would not be appropriate to prejudge the outcome of the negotiations."

Yet EU officials say there is no question of Britain keeping the EMA and EBA, whatever ties it may keep with the agencies; Only member states could accommodate them, one said, adding: "The agencies are lost. You cannot have your cake and eat it."

The second is brexit all summed up in a single story. If it wasn't so tragically inept, it would be funny. Well, it is pretty funny to the rest of the world, just not to folks in the UK.

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4 minutes ago, scottish skier said:

These are just due to 'increased competition on the high street'. Nothing to do with Brexit.

SNP can also use their control over the economy / international trade to sort it all out.

The second is brexit all summed up in a single story. If it wasn't so tragically inept, it would be funny. Well, it is pretty funny to the rest of the world, just not to folks in the UK.

You must lead an exciting life. Dont u ever chill out?

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6 minutes ago, Bristle boy said:

You must lead an exciting life. Dont u ever chill out?

Ah, back to personal insults.

But to anwer: Yes. I like to debate politics as one of my hobbies.

You?

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11 minutes ago, scottish skier said:

These are just due to 'increased competition on the high street'. Nothing to do with Brexit.

SNP can also use their control over the economy / international trade to sort it all out.

The second is brexit all summed up in a single story. If it wasn't so tragically inept, it would be funny. Well, it is pretty funny to the rest of the world, just not to folks in the UK.

You should read some of the outrage from Leavers across comments pages about the EBA and EMA moving out of London, blaming the EU and saying they're punishing the UK! Unbelievable what did they think would happen to agencies that have to be headquartered in an EU country. Apparently around 30,000 business people a year visit those agencies bringing in lots of hotel business aswell as spending in the wider economy, they'll now be spending that elsewhere in the EU.

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So the Tories are threatening to pull out of Holyrood to delegitimise the Scottish Parliament. 

The only thing they'll further delegitimise is themselves. Tories really starting to show their true colours now, plan and simple nasty party and now as long suspected no commitment to devolution, just looking to wrecking tactics while longing for a return to direct rule.

Well walk out, don't let the door hit your backsides on the way out!:D   

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36 minutes ago, Bristle boy said:

You must lead an exciting life. Dont u ever chill out?

If you were arguing about Sovereignty (which would put you in a very difficult position re not supporting Scottish Independence) then i'd accept that.

However when Brexiteers bang on about immigration when no independant body predicted that leaving the EU would reduce immigration to 'tens of thousands' (MIA argued this on more than one occasion) then I see no reason this cannot be criticised.

 

When Brexiteers try and claim that 'project fear' (oh the irony) was wrong on the economy and that due to the local Bristolian Tesco selling petrol at £1.12p a litre (huge positive economic news) everything is rosy... Then I think it is fair for us 'remainers' to point to an actual tidal wave of evidence which highlights the fact that Brexit is economically looking more disastrous with each passing day. 

But silly me, you guys don't listen to experts... So I suppose you don't listen to the reports of independent bodies or feedback from companies within the UK etc.

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26 minutes ago, SW Saltire said:

If you were arguing about Sovereignty (which would put you in a very difficult position re not supporting Scottish Independence) then i'd accept that.

However when Brexiteers bang on about immigration when no independant body predicted that leaving the EU would reduce immigration to 'tens of thousands' (MIA argued this on more than one occasion) then I see no reason this cannot be criticised.

 

When Brexiteers try and claim that 'project fear' (oh the irony) was wrong on the economy and that due to the local Bristolian Tesco selling petrol at £1.12p a litre (huge positive economic news) everything is rosy... Then I think it is fair for us 'remainers' to point to an actual tidal wave of evidence which highlights the fact that Brexit is economically looking more disastrous with each passing day. 

But silly me, you guys don't listen to experts... So I suppose you don't listen to the reports of independent bodies or feedback from companies within the UK etc.

Yawn!!

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So the Tories are threatening to pull out of Holyrood to delegitimise the Scottish Parliament. 

The only thing they'll further delegitimise is themselves. Tories really starting to show their true colours now, plan and simple nasty party and now as long suspected no commitment to devolution, just looking to wrecking tactics while longing for a return to direct rule.

Well walk out, don't let the door hit your backsides on the way out!:D   

This only works if you have a majority of MPs.

Like the SNP in Westminster. If they pull out of there, UK over.

If the Tories abstain in Holyrood by not turning up, who cares as you say. Jeez, they're not even the official opposition or anything. All it would do is lose them votes next time around. After all, why vote for MSPs who collect nice salaries, but don't turn up for work.

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If the Tories at Holyrood, headed by Ruth absent themselves then it would automatically give the SNP an overall majority.

By abstaining they would effectively be voting with the SNP. Not quite sure how the BBC and Scot Edn. MSM would spin that one!

 

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Has May got one eye on diminishing SNP and Green funds ahead of a possible IndyRef? Prob not, to be fair she probably hasn't remembered Scotland exists yet this morning!

So what do the SNP do? Do they respond to the absurd situation of wasting 3 months of the 18 for Brexit negotiations by standing on a direct Indy ticket?

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15 minutes ago, skifreak said:

Has May got one eye on diminishing SNP and Green funds ahead of a possible IndyRef? Prob not, to be fair she probably hasn't remembered Scotland exists yet this morning!

So what do the SNP do? Do they respond to the absurd situation of wasting 3 months of the 18 for Brexit negotiations by standing on a direct Indy ticket?

It's impossible for the Tories to benefit in Scotland out of this.

If the SNP simply held their seats May would need 618/650 seats UK-wide to claim she had more of a mandate.

That's asking a bit much.

Tories might grab one more seat here, but would likely be at the expense of a Labour loss to the SNP, assuming polls are correct as they have always been here.

So, the SNP could stand on a 'stay in the EU as independent country' ticket, potentially negating the need for any iref, and if they got a majority of MPs again, that mandate would almost invariably be much larger than May's one, even if the Tories romped home UK-wide.

Obviously in 2015,  #iref1 had just been lost so the SNP did not pursue this issue strongly in terms of manifesto commitment. All change now.

As for 'now is not the time', she's just said to Scotland 'now is the time'.

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7 minutes ago, skifreak said:

Has May got one eye on diminishing SNP and Green funds ahead of a possible IndyRef? Prob not, to be fair she probably hasn't remembered Scotland exists yet this morning!

So what do the SNP do? Do they respond to the absurd situation of wasting 3 months of the 18 for Brexit negotiations by standing on a direct Indy ticket?

Please, please let us throw everything at Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale and Tweeddale to get rid of 'Fluffy' Mundell. For May to lose her only MP in Scotland as a result of calling a snap GE would be priceless, and that's on top of the joy of getting rid of the idiot.

I wonder if Ian Murray will stand for Labour, or the rumors of the opinion poll sounding out how he'd fare as an Independent were true? As for Carmichael, sadly despite his 'proven liar' tag I can see him being re-elected.

Can't rule out potential losses for the SNP but can't be too many at risk under a FPTP election. Might be a risky strategy but part of me says "what the hell, go for it" to the SNP standing on a 'direct indy' ticket.

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3 minutes ago, Ravelin said:

Can't rule out potential losses for the SNP but can't be too many at risk under a FPTP election. 

They'd need to lose 20 or so MPs for them still not to have a whopping, overwhelming, landslide, monster of a majority these.

If pro-indy folks vote SNP, no problem. Certainly, green voters should think carefully. Green MPs = no chance, and they don't have any influence anyway/ Westminster is about indy. Holyrood is the future for domestic policy.

If most greens voted SNP, you could see 55% for the SNP.

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Worth noting that if you are a Labour voter, notably a Remainer, this GE - and the likely big Tory majority in England - is because Corbyn has agreed to it.

Labour in England are selling Scots Labour voters down the river; handing the Tories a big majority.

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