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    Time the Arab league did it own dirty work as this would be the best solution.

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    There is no other description for what is happening other than war crime and genocide.   Israel is technically the occupying force on Gaza and as such is duty bound to protect civilians.   Complet

    The scenes in Gaza look like the aftermath of a nuclear bomb, utter devastation. The Israelis telling people to go back to their homes in northern Gaza as its "safe", what are they supposed to go back

    Reported on the BBC too... An air strike on an army camp has killed three soldiers, the Syrian government says, blaming the US-led coalition for the attack. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-

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  • Location: Bramley, Hampshire, 70m asl
  • Location: Bramley, Hampshire, 70m asl

    Time the Arab league did it own dirty work as this would be the best solution.

    Trouble is that they couldn't organise a p*** up in a brewery

    (sorry for the inappropriate terminology)

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  • Location: Sheffield South Yorkshire 160M Powering the Sheffield Shield
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    Trouble is that they couldn't organise a p*** up in a brewery

    (sorry for the inappropriate terminology)

    You wouldn't see them in a Brewery. :D

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  • Location: Napton on the Hill Warwickshire 500ft

    Looks like the civil war will be quickly over with Gaddaffi back in charge. Means Cameron and co will have to withdraw there must go comments and start talking to Gadaffi again.

    Looks that way. of course if we or others interfer with internal strife it may not.

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  • Location: Bramley, Hampshire, 70m asl
  • Location: Bramley, Hampshire, 70m asl

    The Arab league have now called for a No Fly Zone to be imposed over Libya. Nato might now go ahead and implement it ....what it will achieve is questionable!!

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    The Arab league have now called for a No Fly Zone to be imposed over Libya. Nato might now go ahead and implement it ....what it will achieve is questionable!!

    The infidels can do the evil work. Arab league has to be in control.

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  • Location: Bratislava (240m)
  • Location: Bratislava (240m)

    Even with the Arab League's backing, a no-fly zone would surely be implemented primarily by NATO and the US. Any direct intervention spearheaded by western powers will be used by Gaddafi as a smokescreen to try to give legitimacy to his own contemptible actions, and will also be seen to undermine the homegrown uprisings. There's the UN of course, but the Security Council there will be able to do precisely zip so long as China and Russia hold the power of veto.

    It's a tough one, because it would also be terrible for world powers to sit back whilst a humanitarian crisis unfolds. Some sort of system involving the supply of food and aid with the backing of neighbouring countries would be a start.

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  • Location: Bramley, Hampshire, 70m asl
  • Location: Bramley, Hampshire, 70m asl

    Serious escalation of events in Bahrain. Protests by the Shiite majority have increased dramtically in size and intensity.

    Saudi Arabia (mainly Sunni)are now sending in 1,000 troops (Sunni) to "restore order". The Bahrani Shi'ites are calling it a declaration of war.

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    Serious escalation of events in Bahrain. Protests by the Shiite majority have increased dramtically in size and intensity.

    Saudi Arabia (mainly Sunni)are now sending in 1,000 troops (Sunni) to "restore order". The Bahrani Shi'ites are calling it a declaration of war.

    Been keeping an eye on this too this morning. This i fear is a potential flash for a serious escalation for spreading trouble in the region. Will be interesting to see what their purpose is to be in the country and how it actually plays out on the ground especially if it encourages a more segregated looking response ie even more so along ethnic group lines.

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    Bloody religion the only thing that Unites them is hatred of the west. Question is will Iran now get involved. Interesting that Saudis do this while everyone is looking at Japan. Pretty sneaky/clever move. The Arab world may end up in total civil war if they're not careful.

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  • Location: Bramley, Hampshire, 70m asl
  • Location: Bramley, Hampshire, 70m asl

    Bloody religion the only thing that Unites them is hatred of the west. Question is will Iran now get involved. Interesting that Saudis do this while everyone is looking at Japan. Pretty sneaky/clever move. The Arab world may end up in total civil war if they're not careful.

    Strange that this Saudi intervention comes just a couple of days after Hilary Clintons visit to Bahrain! :whistling:

    Meanwhile the Iranian Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Salehi demanded that force is not used against the anti-government protests in Bahrain (seems a bit rich coming from the Iranians!). I wonder if the Iranians will help, either overtly or covertly, their fellow shiites in Bahrain. (The Iranians would certainly love to get rid of the US naval base there).

    All sides seem to be raising the stakes while everyone is looking towards Japan.

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    Saudi's don't want the Bahrain royal family giving concessions to the protesters as it may also cause problems in their own country. Iran being a cowardly country one do anything up front rather it will slip arms and terror groups into the country.

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    Right then - Gaddafi's won Libya - but not the people - and I'm sure it'll be hard to find 1 million people living there in 2015, especially if the far NE remains liberated.

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  • Location: Bramley, Hampshire, 70m asl
  • Location: Bramley, Hampshire, 70m asl

    That really reassures me!

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  • Location: Bramley, Hampshire, 70m asl
  • Location: Bramley, Hampshire, 70m asl

    Saudi soldier shot dead in Bahrain.

    This really has all the potential to turn into a violent religious sunni v shia confrontation.

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  • Location: Bratislava (240m)
  • Location: Bratislava (240m)

    Saudi soldier shot dead in Bahrain.

    This really has all the potential to turn into a violent religious sunni v shia confrontation.

    Martial law has been declared.

    I know the situation in Japan is terrible, but it's a shame this is being put on the back burner. You're probably right in thinking that the Saudis have deliberately seized the moment when the world's eyes have turned away from the Middle East - sending Sunni troops into Bahrain is such a brazen thing to do given the nature of the crisis there (Sunni establishment versus Shia majority).

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    Martial law has been declared.

    I know the situation in Japan is terrible, but it's a shame this is being put on the back burner. You're probably right in thinking that the Saudis have deliberately seized the moment when the world's eyes have turned away from the Middle East - sending Sunni troops into Bahrain is such a brazen thing to do given the nature of the crisis there (Sunni establishment versus Shia majority).

    Looking more likely the middle east will melt down into civil war. The West sooner or later will have to choose which bed fellows to sleep with. Civil rights people won't like it but we will need the oil.

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    As UN dither along Hague thinks we can go it alone using a obscure rule. No we can't unless we want to radicalise some more young Muslims and too fall into the same trap as we did in Iraq.

    The solution needs to come from the Arabs themselves which will likely to be bloody as we can see elsewhere unfortunately.

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  • Location: Eastbourne, East Sussex (work in Mid Sussex)
  • Location: Eastbourne, East Sussex (work in Mid Sussex)

    Well its not getting any better:

    The Government has advised all Britons to leave Bahrain immediately and will send charter planes to evacuate them from the country after tanks rolled into the capital.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/bahrain/8387292/Britain-to-send-rescue-planes-after-day-of-annihilation-in-Bahrain.html

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  • Location: Bramley, Hampshire, 70m asl
  • Location: Bramley, Hampshire, 70m asl

    Sounding as if the No fly Zone (plus some broader targetted airstrikes) over Libya could happen...the UN vote on it at 2200 tonight.

    Force is likely to include Arab states, notably UAE (F16s),Qatar & Jordan (Mirages), and Saudi Arabia (Typhoons and Tornadoes)....together with French, UK and US support.

    I suppose, (dependent on the extent of targetted groundstrikes) this could well stop the pro-Gaddafi forces in their tracks..........but then what???

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  • Location: Kingsteignton, Devon
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  • Location: Kingsteignton, Devon

    You have to wonder whether we have a right to do this, when he clearly controls virtually all the country again and didn't start it in the first place.

    I'm not saying its right, but it is a sovereign territory, and no rebel government has been recognised. (except by France) Besides, isn't it the tanks and artillery doing the most damage?

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    You have to wonder whether we have a right to do this, when he clearly controls virtually all the country again and didn't start it in the first place.

    I'm not saying its right, but it is a sovereign territory, and no rebel government has been recognised. (except by France) Besides, isn't it the tanks and artillery doing the most damage?

    I guess if the UN supports it, then the international community does have the right. After all, being a sovereign country does not mean you can have a wee war if you want and kill lots of civilians because they want some change in the way things are run - at least the world is in a whole lot of trouble if that is allowed to go unchecked. We all live on the same planet - borders should not mean different human rights.

    However, I am not sure what the goal is/whether it will be a success. Gaddafi is no doubt completely nuts and we must not forget he was happy enough to blow up a civilian airliner over Scotland. Speak too loudly over there for change and you'll end up in some dank cell being electocuted; this is what Libyans I know tell me is very true (and often in confidence/quietly, should someone hear, even though they are sitting in my office in the UK - fear does not leave them easily).

    I guess if the best case right now is that some form of genocide is averted in benghazi (that is very liked to happen - lots of opposition supporters vanishing in the night now; likely to be some mass graves appearing soon) and stalemate is created with those in the west being protected.

    After that? Not going to be nice and will drag on.

    I am opposed to any foot soldiers going in though, unless it all turns very very nasty.

    UN must support what happens IMO.

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  • Location: Kingsteignton, Devon
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    As I said, I don't agree with what is happening. The Arab League should be the ones to police any no fly zone and provide peacekeeping troops if the time comes for such a measure.

    Although I do find highly ironic that ALL of this could of been averted if people had listened to the UK when we first suggested a no fly zone, now we are seeing massive backtracks from the US, Arab League and even the rebels who are now supporting the idea.

    Arming the rebels is a bad idea however and we should look to history to see why.

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    Well this update is more alarming http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12779628

    I don't want is us involved in another war this should be sorted out by the Arabs and if we start attacking Gadaffi what about Bahrain as they should also be dealt with as well. All that will happen is that will be seen as interference into another Muslim country by the anti Muslim west.

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