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  • Location: Leeds/Bradford border, 185 metres above sea level, around 600 feet
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    Poor planning in both cases but i honestly don't believe the average person can make a fair judgement given the lack of evidence they see and the fact that they don't have to bear any responsibility. As a moral man i believe that tyranny and terrorism should be crushed.

     

    Note however that i don't support ground invasions, our air and naval forces are world class and should be sufficient.

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    There is no other description for what is happening other than war crime and genocide.   Israel is technically the occupying force on Gaza and as such is duty bound to protect civilians.   Complet

    The scenes in Gaza look like the aftermath of a nuclear bomb, utter devastation. The Israelis telling people to go back to their homes in northern Gaza as its "safe", what are they supposed to go back

    Reported on the BBC too... An air strike on an army camp has killed three soldiers, the Syrian government says, blaming the US-led coalition for the attack. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-

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    Poor planning in both cases but i honestly don't believe the average person can make a fair judgement given the lack of evidence they see and the fact that they don't have to bear any responsibility. As a moral man i believe that tyranny and terrorism should be crushed. Note however that i don't support ground invasions, our air and naval forces are world class and should be sufficient.

    The problem is they are not that accurate and innocent people will get killed, maimed and lose their homes in the process.
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    The ideal situation would be to have a full time UN 'police force' which would be in effect a Navy, Army and Air Force set up to deal with the leaders contravening a code set up by the UN to protect the normal people and if the leaders survive prosecute them.

    Of course this would depend on the co-operation of the majority of U N nations, but it would be better than the and hoc compromises they have today.

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    Tyranny and terrorism should be crushed?The whole World has become unstable as a result for the search of oil, minerals and other riches as entire economies dwindle...There have been plenty of examples where alleged tyranny has been overlooked, leaving only the other more likely conclusion - money talks.

     

    Yes, appeasement has always been a fantastic failure. 

     

    Which economies have dwindled? I'm not sure things are quite as unstable as you suggest (historically we're very stable actually).

     

    That's true but one can change the future.

     

    The problem is they are not that accurate and innocent people will get killed, maimed and lose their homes in the process.

     

    As opposed to fleeing the country because their dear leader is committing genocide? It is estimated that not only are ~50,000 Syrians dying each year but that 2 million (source below) have fled Syria as refugees. War is not perfect, of that we can be sure and there may not even be a perfect solution at all. 

     

    Knowing what you know now however, that Assad has used chemical weapons, that around 200,000 are dead and 2 million fleeing for their lives. Can you honestly say that not acting was the right decision to make? Especially considering that despite being well armed the terrorist faction of the rebellion is relatively small.

     

    For me it's simple maths. Do i support another ~50,000 dying for the next few years with probably another million fleeing or do i support the west crushing a tyrannical regime and arresting Assad for crimes against humanity. People will die, but far less than would be the case if we did nothing.

     

    http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=45757#.Uth5b_RdWyY

     

    The ideal situation would be to have a full time UN 'police force' which would be in effect a Navy, Army and Air Force set up to deal with the leaders contravening a code set up by the UN to protect the normal people and if the leaders survive prosecute them.Of course this would depend on the co-operation of the majority of U N nations, but it would be better than the and hoc compromises they have today.

     

    I agree but having just completed a sustainable development module with a UN focus i have absolutely no confidence in the UN to come to any substantial agreement, let alone show the unity required to form such an endevour. On top of that, the UNSC veto system means that beyond sanctioning its pretty much useless as vested interest rules. 

     

    Legally dubious or not, at least things like Iraq had a range of support and committed nations (remember it was a coalition) who importantly were actually willing to act.

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  • Location: Sheffield South Yorkshire 160M Powering the Sheffield Shield
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    I see Summer still hasn't learnt that going in blowing people up doesn't work. I know we created magic bombs and missiles that never miss the target and go round civilians trapped in fighting which is very good for our politicians. Interfering only creates more instability and long term suffering and more deaths. Iraq Libya are very good examples of this. The instability then spreads to other countries.

    The only solutions are policial an arms blockade for both sides. A useful UN would be nice any any peace keeping force would have to be temporary as that would come an army of occupation and targeted by both sides. The next question would would this force have powers to act if either side blatantly broke any agreement. Not much use having a peace keeping force if you can fire missiles at each other.

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  • Location: Camborne
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    The forthcoming peace talks really are a joke.

     

     

    There is clear evidence that Syria has systematically tortured and executed about 11,000 detainees since the start of the uprising, a report by three former war crimes prosecutors says.

     

    One of the authors told the BBC there was evidence of government involvement. Damascus has denied claims of abuse.

     

    The investigators examined thousands of images of dead prisoners reportedly smuggled out of Syria by a defector.

    The report comes a day before peace talks are due to begin in Switzerland.

     

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-25822571

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  • Location: Powys Mid Wales borders.
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    To put it succinctly, the only workable roadmap for Syria to exit crisis is to be engineered in evicting the al-Qaeda militants generously funded by Saudi Arabia and Qatar and in holding democratic national elections.

     

     

    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/01/24/347456/good-bad-and-ugly-in-syria-talks/

    The good, the bad, and the ugly in Syria talks.

    Talk about not giving him much time to speak.

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  • Location: Camborne
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    Water has been a major issue for years and the situation can only get worse in the future.

     

    Refugees from Syria are exacerbating a looming energy crisis that threatens to plunge the Middle East into a wave of violent uprisings far bloodier than the Arab Spring, Prince Hassan of Jordan has warned.

     

    Unless Arab states unite to solve the region’s increasingly acute shortages, they will be starved of water and power in 15 years, he predicted.

     

    The millions of refugees are piling intolerable pressure on the infrastructure of neighbouring countries such as Jordan, sparking protests against blackouts and water queues.

     

    “We are at a tipping point. It is not going to survive much further, because the populace won’t have it,†Prince Hassan, the uncle of King Abdullah, told The Times. He said that states within the region had spent much of the past 100 years living off their own oil and gas imports while quibbling about sharing natural resources. The impetus for another series of revolutions would be less about the vote and more about “the absence of basic services, such as water and energyâ€, he said.

     

    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/middleeast/article3993327.ece

     

    Water in Crisis - Middle East

    http://thewaterproject.org/water-in-crisis-middle-east.php

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  • Location: Powys Mid Wales borders.
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    A couple of stories here from Syria.

    Not this old chestnut again,any excuse for the west to take over Syria like Libya,iraq etc which was sovereign countries think about it,but last year russia stopped this from happening with no evidence to back up their claims,just like the lies about the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

    Kerry threatens Syria with military force over chemical weapons issue.

    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/02/01/348668/kerry-threatens-syria-with-military-force/

    Syrians hold rallies in support of Assad government.

    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/02/02/348920/syrians-hold-progovernment-rallies/

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  • Location: Camborne
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    A couple of stories here from Syria.Not this old chestnut again,any excuse for the west to take over Syria like Libya,iraq etc which was sovereign countries think about it,but last year russia stopped this from happening with no evidence to back up their claims,just like the lies about the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

     

    If you read the last UN inspectors weapons report before they were kicked out in 1998 there was every reason to think that Saddam had WMDs. It was the over egging of the situation that was unnecessary.

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    If I remember correctly if one moved away from US and UK propaganda there wasn't any indication of WMD by the inspectors. The most pathetic thing was the presentation  to the UN by the US where it was clear there was very little case for any war and was embarrassing.

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  • Location: Camborne
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    If I remember correctly if one moved away from US and UK propaganda there wasn't any indication of WMD by the inspectors. The most pathetic thing was the presentation  to the UN by the US where it was clear there was very little case for any war and was embarrassing.

     

    Well I can only go on my memory of the last report I read made in 1998 and that indicated there was. Personally I always thought there a case for getting rid of the murdering psychopath anyway. He'd already caused a couple of million deaths with the war against Iran and invaded Kuwait, (when the UN mandate was surely wrong in not allowing his removal then), not forgetting the Kurds, so where and when  would he have stopped?

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  • Location: Camborne
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    A short animated film being aired across Iran depicts the nuclear destruction of Israel. The film opens with the word ‘Holocaust’ appearing on the screen, with a Star of David underneath it, Israel’s Channel 2 reported on Tuesday.

     

    The airing of the animation comes as talks between Tehran and world powers over the Islamic Republic’s nuclear program are resume in Austria.The film, which started to appear Monday on Iranian websites depicts how the Islamic Republic might respond to an American or Israeli strike on its nuclear facilities.

     

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/1.574995

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  • Location: Powys Mid Wales borders.
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    Meanwhile under the radar more trouble.
    http://silentcrownews.com/wordpress/?p=2870

     

     

      Israel violated another UN resolution as “Foreign Minister Gebran Bassil condemned the Israeli strikes saying that Israel was in violation of UN Security Council Resolution 1701 that ended the 2006 Second Lebanon War, according to the Lebanese news outlet

     

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  • Location: Powys Mid Wales borders.
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    All Israeli embassies and consulates closed worldwide first time, FM stops its work due to strikes – trade union

    Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_03_23/All-Israeli-embassies-and-consulates-closed-worldwide-first-time-FM-stops-its-work-due-to-strikes-trade-union-4406/

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    Recent events appear to have kept Syria out of the headlines, though it is a bit shocking that 500 people have been condemned to death in a 2 day trial with another similar trial to come  - I can't see any good coming of that.

     

    The spark which really set off Irish Nationalism for the Easter uprising in 1916 was the execution of those taking part - surely the best way forward is to try to build bridges - not knock them down.

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  • Location: Camborne
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    All Israeli embassies and consulates closed worldwide first time, FM stops its work due to strikes – trade unionRead more: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_03_23/All-Israeli-embassies-and-consulates-closed-worldwide-first-time-FM-stops-its-work-due-to-strikes-trade-union-4406/

     

    To echo what Mike has said, and given the title of this thread. it's interesting that the above, essentially labor problems in Israel,  takes precedence over the continuing appalling events in Syria and this.

     

    Egypt sentences 529 Mohammed Morsi supporters to death in single trial

     

    Largest mass death sentence in modern history handed down to Muslim Brotherhood supporters over riot which killed policeman

     

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/egypt/10718387/Egypt-sentences-529-Mohammed-Morsi-supporters-to-death-in-single-trial.html

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    Quite significant I feel.

     

    Egypt’s Abdel Fatah al-Sissi declares intent to run for presidency

     

    CAIRO — Three years ago, Abdel Fatah al-Sissi was a mostly unknown member of a council of Egypt’s top military officers. On Wednesday, the field marshal, whose image is now plastered on billboards and chocolate bars, declared what everyone in this nation was expecting — that he would run for president, a position he is virtually certain to win.

    “The state needs to regain its posture and power,†he said in an address on national television. “Our mission is to restore Egypt.â€

     

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/no-longer-a-general-abdel-fatah-al-sissi-is-poised-to-become-egypts-next-president/2014/03/26/7c6440b9-1bed-468f-b315-735a32f7d9e8_story.html?hpid=z1

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    Here Is The YouTube "Start A False Flag War With Syria" Leaked Recording That Erdogan Wanted Banned

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-27/here-youtube-false-flag-attack-syria-clip-erdogan-wanted-banned

    Leaked: Turkey officials discuss military strike on Syria

    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/03/27/356250/turkey-officials-discuss-strike-in-syria/

    Also seen now on RT today,first saw yesterday.

    http://rt.com/news/turkey-syria-phone-leak-861/

    YouTube ban: How Turkish officials conspired to stage Syria attack to provoke war

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    Here Is The YouTube "Start A False Flag War With Syria" Leaked Recording That Erdogan Wanted Bannedhttp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-27/here-youtube-false-flag-attack-syria-clip-erdogan-wanted-bannedLeaked: Turkey officials discuss military strike on Syriahttp://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/03/27/356250/turkey-officials-discuss-strike-in-syria/Also seen now on RT today,first saw yesterday.http://rt.com/news/turkey-syria-phone-leak-861/YouTube ban: How Turkish officials conspired to stage Syria attack to provoke war

    That would set the cat amongst the pigeons - Turkey is a member of NATO and Russia supports Syria - oops, or in the immortal words of Michael Caine, 'Who pressed that button?'.

     

    To digress slightly - the world was overcoming by degrees the scourge of polio through a world wide vaccination program and although the Syrian government says there is still no restriction on the vaccination program, this clearly isn't happening 'cos the incidents of polio and other infectious diseases are rising at an uncomfortable rate and spreading to other areas.

    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/11/131101-polio-syria-somalia-kenya-pakistan-israel-vaccine/

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    Putin laughs in face of a journalist (ENG subtitle) about the anti missile system

    This 30" video was pulished by Syria News Press· on Sep 9, 2013: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ux3oiWELIQ

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    Putin laughs in the face of a reporter about the anti-missile_system against Russia. In this video, the reporter talks about missile defense, and the reaction of Putin has to be seen.

    ~ Interviewer: "NATO claims that the missile shield was not built against you but against Iran".

    ~ Putin: "You really makes me laugh. God bless you, because it's almost time to finish the day, indeed it is already time to go to sleep. At least I get home in good humor".

     

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    A looming drought in Syria could push millions more people into hunger and exacerbate a refugee crisis caused by years of civil war, the United Nations said on Tuesday.

     

    Syria's breadbasket northwestern region has received less than half of the average rainfall since September and, if it stays dry up to wheat harvest time in mid-May, the country – already reliant on aid for millions of people – will need to import even more food.

     

    "A drought could put the lives of millions more people at risk," Elisabeth Byrs, spokeswoman for the U.N. World Food Programme (WFP), told a news briefing.

     

    http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/4/8/syria-drought-hunger.html

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    During the current crisis in the Ukraine Syria appears to have been forgotten.  The fact that hundreds of thousands of people have been displaced, thousands killed and women and children dying of hunger is a disgrace in the 21st century. The fact that no intervention took place earlier was probably a green light to Putin, who supplies Assad with arms, to play his games in the Crimea.

     

    Yarmouk is just an example. I was listening to a report from there this morning and children are eating grass in an attempt to stay alive as it’s virtually impossible to get food through even although there is supposed to be a UN agreement.

     

     

    UNRWA remains deeply concerned about the desperate humanitarian situation in Yarmouk and the fact that increasing tensions and resort to armed force have disrupted its efforts to alleviate the desperate plight of civilians. UNRWA demands that all parties cease hostilities and seek to resolve their differences exclusively by peaceful means. UNRWA also urges all concerned parties to immediately allow and facilitate the resumption of food distribution to civilians inside Yarmouk. UNRWA further demands that continuous, substantial and safe humanitarian access will follow.

     

    http://www.unrwa.org/crisis-in-yarmouk

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    During the current crisis in the Ukraine Syria appears to have been forgotten.  The fact that hundreds of thousands of people have been displaced, thousands killed and women and children dying of hunger is a disgrace in the 21st century. The fact that no intervention took place earlier was probably a green light to Putin, who supplies Assad with arms, to play his games in the Crimea.

     

    Yarmouk is just an example. I was listening to a report from there this morning and children are eating grass in an attempt to stay alive as it’s virtually impossible to get food through even although there is supposed to be a UN agreement.

     

     

    http://www.unrwa.org/crisis-in-yarmouk

    Sadly, yes it does seem to have been forgotten.

     

    As you point out I'm sure that there is a link between the two both in terms of Obama's green light and from Russia strengthening its strategic position in the eastern Med/Middle east.

     

    Just last May Putin established a permanent Mediterranean task force ...not much good without the Syrian and Crimean bases to support those ships.Then there's the strengthening Russian Iranian relationship which will build their influence over the Persian Gulf.  I'm sure that Turkey must also be feeling increasingly vulnerable. Meanwhile the Russian ambassador to Lebanon recently boasted that Russia had succeeded in blocking U.N. action against Syria at the Security Council, and “The Syrian army is making major progress on the ground,†the tide of the war cannot be reversed anymoreâ€â€¦â€¦.talk about blood on their hands!!! ….. “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothingâ€

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