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There is no other description for what is happening other than war crime and genocide.   Israel is technically the occupying force on Gaza and as such is duty bound to protect civilians.   Complet

The scenes in Gaza look like the aftermath of a nuclear bomb, utter devastation. The Israelis telling people to go back to their homes in northern Gaza as its "safe", what are they supposed to go back

Reported on the BBC too... An air strike on an army camp has killed three soldiers, the Syrian government says, blaming the US-led coalition for the attack. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    Why would anyone want to do that? We - all of us - must learn to live alongside those who happen to think differently to ourselves...Whether we like it or not.

     

    I think he was posting with a touch of Irony.

     

    BP started out life as the Anglo-Iranian oil company. UK/USA backed the dictatorial Shah to exploit Iranian oil dirt cheap.

     

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Persian_Oil_Company

     

    So if people don't like the Iranian government, they can in a large part thank the UK/USA for it; rebellion against the Shah was what was behind the revolution.

     

    Unfortunately, what replaced the Shah is in many ways just as bad.

     

    Knocker, I can assure you my Iranian colleagues have no interest in wiping Isreal of the map. Iran is very moderate/westernised in terms of its people by comparison with many ME countries; just the government that's the problem.

     

    Incidentally, they use the same electoral system in Iran as they do in the UK, i.e. FPTP to create a defacto 1-2 party state where voting doesn't change much if anything.

     

    It is also, just like the UK, non-secular with an unelected upper chamber where people from the state religion get a seat (in their case muslim clerics etc, in the UK's case bishops etc).

     

    Their supreme leader is at least sort of elected, unlike the UK's head of state.

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  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl
  • Location: Near Lauder, SE Scotland, 175 m asl

    I`ll believe it when I see this happening,anyway the santions have done enough to stop supplies coming in and innocent people are suffering in hospitals because medical supplies are not coming in like they should be because of the santions America has imposed. 

    http://www.silviacattori.net/article4666.html

     

     

    Yes, my Iranian colleagues pack suitcases with what we would consider basic, easy to obtain medicines when they go home to see their families.

     

    With regard to Saudi Arabia...

     

    If you go there you see how much it is under the USA's thumb. Saudi Aramco started life as the Saudi-American Oil company. Although now nationalised, it's offices are full of Americans; SA relying on the USA for oil technology and the USA happy to keep it that way. The expats live in nice walled off areas where the laws of SA (on alcohol, dress etc) don't apply. Hence causing friction in terms of local religious people.

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  • Location: Camborne
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    Knocker, I can assure you my Iranian colleagues have no interest in wiping Isreal of the map. Iran is very moderate/westernised in terms of its people by comparison with many ME countries; just the government that's the problem.

     

     

    I didn't think for one moment they did SS. I agree regarding the people of Iran and that the problem lies within the government and the influence of the hardliners. Unfortunately their policy towards Israel over the years has resulted in the current position and whilst they continue to support Hezbollah I can't see any change soon. One thing is for certain is that Israel will not change it's stance anytime soon.

     

    I'm no expert on this, who is, and I'll naturally bow to the opinion of your Iranian colleagues.

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  • Location: Powys Mid Wales borders.
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    Yes I was just looking at that.

    British Foreign Secretary William Hague said that anyone trying to undermine the nuclear deal with Iran would be “discouraged,†adding that this includes Israel.

     

    “We would discourage anybody in the world, including Israel, from taking any steps that would undermine this agreement and we will make that very clear to all concerned,†Hague told the UK parliament.

     

    The Geneva has, for the most part, been hailed as a success by the international community and a step towards the normalization of relations with Iran. However, Israel has opposed the deal and condemned it as a “historic mistake.â€

    At a cabinet meeting on Sunday Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said that Israel was not bound by the new agreement

    “The regime in Iran is committed to destroying Israel. [but] Israel has the right and obligation to defend itself from any threat, [and] will not allow Iran to develop a military nuclear capability.â€

    When asked if he feared the possibility of a preventative, Israeli strike, Fabius said he did not because “no one would understand†such a move “at this stage.â€

    http://rt.com/news/iran-france-sanctions-nuclear-254/

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    Where are events taking us? not only in Syria but Egypt and Iraq. I've no idea but it won't be good and I suspect Al-Queda will be stronger. So much for Afghanistan

     

    Starving Syrian rebels besieged in Damascus suburbs signalled their desperation yesterday by killing and eating a zoo’s lion.

     

    Pictures of men butchering the visibly emaciated animal, said to have been taken from the Al-Qarya al-Shama Zoo, were widely disseminated on websites sympathetic to the rebels, although their authenticity could not be independently verified.

     

    The Syrian Army’s siege of the eastern Ghouta districts of the city has lasted more than six months, with residents reporting acute food shortages and hardship with the onset of winter. The area was one of those in Damascus attacked with chemical weapons fired by the regime in August.

     

    Last month clerics issued a fatwa allowing cats and donkeys to be eaten in defiance of Islamic norms. Many living in cut-off areas are said to exist on leaves and boiled water flavoured with spices.

     

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    Downhill at a rate of knots.

     

    Eritrea: The Human Trafficking Cycle: Sinai and Beyond

     

    The report The Human Trafficking Cycle: Sinai and Beyond will be presented to EU home Affairs Commissioner Cecilia Malmström in the European Parliament at 16.30 on 4 December.

     

    The report, by Prof. Mirjam van Reisen, Meron Estefanos and Prof. Conny Rijken, focuses on the trafficking of refugees from the Horn of Africa who are targeted by criminal networks for extortion and exploitation. The report looks at the experiences of the refugees who have fled their countries looking for safety and security.

     

    Since the beginning of 2009 thousands of refugees from the Horn of Africa have been abducted and held for ransom in the Sinai desert. They include men, women, children and infants fleeing from desperate circumstances in Eritrea, Ethiopia and Sudan. An estimated 95% are from Eritrea. Smuggled across borders by middlemen, or kidnapped from refugee camps in Ethiopia and Sudan as well as their surrounding areas, they are held in inhumane conditions close to the Israeli borderr. They are tortured and abused to pressure their relatives, friends, and sympathetic strangers into paying enormous ransoms.

     

    Many of the refugees die in captivity or after their release, even after their ransom has been paid. Some simply disappear - killed while being held, shot by border guards, or from simply being lost in the desert.

     

    An excerpt from the report.

     

     

    In this study we have looked at what happens to people who are captured,extorted and tortured in the Sinai. Treated as commodities, sold and resold –these people are trafficked. The vocabulary of ‘warehouses’ and ‘auctions’ andthe negotiation of the ‘price’ of the hostages is reminiscent of the age of slavery,when the value of people was determined by their market price.
     
    In the Sinai, hostages are extorted for phenomenally high ransoms, which are collected from their families and communities at home and in the diaspora. Assuch traffickers create an even broader web of illegality and trafficking relations.Serial selling and successive extortion against ransom is common practice.
     
    Hostages are brutally and ‘functionally’ tortured to support the extortion, and sadistically, with a level of cruelty that is beyond words and comprehension. Thephysical injuries from this torture – which includes burning, beating, hanging,dripping melted plastic, electrocution, mutilation, rape, and cutting off ofhands and limbs – can be so grave that they impact seriously and lastingly (and fatally) on the victim’s future health. Their injuries incapacitate the survivorsphysically and mentally for the rest of their lives.
     
    Many hostages die in the Sinai as a result of the trafficking; they succumb to the torture or die (some are shot) or disappear after release. The extortioncontinues even after the hostages die. The traffickers pressure fellow hostages not to inform the families of the deceased so that ransoms can still be collected.
     
    Sexual violence is extreme, systematic and sadistic and involves all hostages,irrespective of their age or gender. These experiences are deeply dehumanisingand shameful. The injuries from sexual violence can be lasting and life threatening. Many of the women become pregnant as a result and these childrenare born in the torture houses. Pregnant women continue to be tortured even on the day they give birth. Many give birth while in chains with no access evento water. And yet somehow life continue

     

    http://www.eepa.be/wcm/dmdocuments/Small_HumanTrafficking-Sinai2-web-3.pdf

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  • Location: Beccles, Suffolk.
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  • Location: Beccles, Suffolk.

    Syrian rebels execute over 80 civilians...

    http://rt.com/news/syria-adra-civilian-execution-289/

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  • Location: Leeds/Bradford border, 185 metres above sea level, around 600 feet
  • Location: Leeds/Bradford border, 185 metres above sea level, around 600 feet

    And how many has Assad slaughtered this year? My opinion remains the same as it always have, it is a great stain on the record of the west that we have allowed the situation to develop as it has when a tyrant could have been deposed and charged with crimes against humanity quite easily.

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    And how many has Assad slaughtered this year? My opinion remains the same as it always have, it is a great stain on the record of the west that we have allowed the situation to develop as it has when a tyrant could have been deposed and charged with crimes against humanity quite easily.

    I suspect that there probably quite a few on both sides who could be charged with war crimes - it seems to me that it is an all out war where anything goes and the Geneva Convention is purely academic.

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    And how many has Assad slaughtered this year? My opinion remains the same as it always have, it is a great stain on the record of the west that we have allowed the situation to develop as it has when a tyrant could have been deposed and charged with crimes against humanity quite easily.

     

    The west (well, the US at least) has been training and arming the rebels.

    http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887323419604578569830070537040

     

     

    I suspect that there probably quite a few on both sides who could be charged with war crimes - it seems to me that it is an all out war where anything goes and the Geneva Convention is purely academic.

     

    The US has already shown it's lack of regard for the Geneva convention with Gitmo, and now it's involved in Syria! Anything goes nowadays.

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  • Location: Leeds/Bradford border, 185 metres above sea level, around 600 feet
  • Location: Leeds/Bradford border, 185 metres above sea level, around 600 feet

    I suspect that there probably quite a few on both sides who could be charged with war crimes - it seems to me that it is an all out war where anything goes and the Geneva Convention is purely academic.

     

    Yes but in the beginning when we should have acted this was mostly a Syrian led uprising, only over time has it been infected by religious nuts.

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  • Location: Beccles, Suffolk.
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  • Location: Beccles, Suffolk.

    And how many has Assad slaughtered this year? My opinion remains the same as it always have, it is a great stain on the record of the west that we have allowed the situation to develop as it has when a tyrant could have been deposed and charged with crimes against humanity quite easily.

    Which is why we shouldn't be taking sides in these conflicts; the moral high-ground simply isn't there...

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    Which is why we shouldn't be taking sides in these conflicts; the moral high-ground simply isn't there...

    Quite agree - by all means give humanitarian help and assist diplomatically as a mediator where necessary and possible but as for giving active assistance to one side or the other it is a big no no as far as I am concerned - whichever side we choose, we will not be thanked and in any case we cannot impose our western ideals on another culture - it is up to the people there to decide this for themselves and any meddling by us stands a good chance of making matters worse in the long run.

     

    The irony is that we based our culture on a man from that general area who also lived in turbulent times.

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  • Location: Sheffield South Yorkshire 160M Powering the Sheffield Shield
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  • Location: Sheffield South Yorkshire 160M Powering the Sheffield Shield

    And how many has Assad slaughtered this year? My opinion remains the same as it always have, it is a great stain on the record of the west that we have allowed the situation to develop as it has when a tyrant could have been deposed and charged with crimes against humanity quite easily.

    And we're not supporting him. Neither should we support the other side.

    Your solution would have had the religious nut cases in charge instead. As Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya show interfering doesn't make things any better. Actually we would have been better staying out of Iraq as this seems to have destabilized the whole region even further.

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  • Location: Sheffield South Yorkshire 160M Powering the Sheffield Shield
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    A good demonstration of the failure of the moral crusade in Iraq http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-25598698

    Unfortunately this was the start of further destabilisation of the middle east. A huge miscalculation by Bush and his poodle Blair. Sadly the effects of this misguided action is still escalating and is difficult to see where it will end.

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    Its getting more violent in Afghanistan exp against women in 2013.http://www.rt.com/news/afghan-women-violence-surge-190/

    Not surprising since we failed to beat the Taliban and are running away.

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  • Location: Cornwall
  • Location: Cornwall

    Syria chemical weapons: First consignment leaves Latakia

     

    The first consignment of chemical weapons has left the Syrian port of Latakia on a Danish ship, the United Nations has confirmed.
     
    It is being escorted by Chinese, Danish, Norwegian and Russian frigates.
     
    Removing the most dangerous chemicals is the first step of a UN-backed deal to eliminate Syria's chemical arsenal.
     
    A previous attempt to collect the arms was aborted after Syrian officials failed to deliver the toxic chemicals to the collection point in Latakia.
     
    The weapons are due to be taken to Italy, where they will be loaded on to a US Navy ship and shipped into international waters for destruction in a specially created titanium tank on board.
     
    The agreement was brokered by the US and Russia after rockets filled with the nerve agent sarin were fired at three towns in the Ghouta agricultural belt around the Syrian capital Damascus on 21 August.
     
    Hundreds of people were killed in the attacks.
     
    Western powers said only Syrian government forces could have carried out the assault, but President Bashar al-Assad blamed rebel fighters.
     
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  • Location: Powys Mid Wales borders.
  • Location: Powys Mid Wales borders.

    If only Tony Blair took my advice on entering into this escapade we would not be in this position now.

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  • Location: Powys Mid Wales borders.

    If only Tony Blair took my advice on entering into this escapade we would not be in this position now.

    That smarmy grin.http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/384535/Should-Tony-Blair-be-tried-as-a-war-criminal-Majority-think-he-was-wrong-to-invade-Iraq
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    Not only that the Taliban are making confident noises that they will be able to take over the whole of Afghanistan once the NATO troops have left - if that is the case what has been the point of all our Tommies being killed and injured over the past 10 years?If the government just roll over and let the people who use sports grounds for public beatings and hangings then there will be very little we will be able to do for them - it's just so tragic that many people will be thrust into another dark age all for the sake of a group of fanatical bigoted few who have not the slightest concept of humanity and fear the normal people getting a decent education since they can only keep the ignorant under their control.
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