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    Well you've got to presume they've had talks in the back ground and they're not playing ball the way the rest of nato wants too.  Turkey has it own agenda clearly expansion. Thats ignoring Saudis and Iran.

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    There is no other description for what is happening other than war crime and genocide.   Israel is technically the occupying force on Gaza and as such is duty bound to protect civilians.   Complet

    The scenes in Gaza look like the aftermath of a nuclear bomb, utter devastation. The Israelis telling people to go back to their homes in northern Gaza as its "safe", what are they supposed to go back

    Reported on the BBC too... An air strike on an army camp has killed three soldiers, the Syrian government says, blaming the US-led coalition for the attack. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-

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    Typical yanks can't fire straight.

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    Some movement then towards a peace agreement. No mentioned of Assad being removed which is probably reconigition that there's no other party can form a Government

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    29 minutes ago, The PIT said:

    Some movement then towards a peace agreement. No mentioned of Assad being removed which is probably reconigition that there's no other party can form a Government

    France demands  that the agreement gives assurances that Assad is removed.

    How can Assad be tasked with uniting a country when he has massacred so many of its citizens?

    http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2015/12/19/France-demands-Assad-exit-assurances.html

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    Well unless the agreement has changed since this mornings report that's been added since or just France making a similar comment then UK did.

    The problem is there's nobody else there and when you've got a country run by war lords even more people die in the long run. The way froward is Assad forms a government and then steps down.

    Sometime you have to do a deal with the devil as did Churchill with Stalin.  

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    8 hours ago, Kiwi said:

    France demands  that the agreement gives assurances that Assad is removed.

    How can Assad be tasked with uniting a country when he has massacred so many of its citizens?

    http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2015/12/19/France-demands-Assad-exit-assurances.html

    Has he show me believing the MSM is dangerous.

    Last post of the year on this part and end with a good one.

    US' war plan for Syria is part of Greater Israel Project Ken O'Keefe .

     

     

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    While the US airstrike mentioned above is of course legitimate news it does seem rather odd that a report from the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights which states that more than 600 civilians have been killed in Russian airstrikes since they began three months ago has been greeted with deafening silence.

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    Yes civilian deaths tend to get forgotten http://reliefweb.int/report/syrian-arab-republic/civilian-deaths-anti-isis-bombing-campaigns-2014-2015

    Nobodies squeaky clean.

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    58 minutes ago, The PIT said:

    Yes civilian deaths tend to get forgotten http://reliefweb.int/report/syrian-arab-republic/civilian-deaths-anti-isis-bombing-campaigns-2014-2015

    Nobodies squeaky clean.

    Particularly in this thread where the Russians and Assad are concerned.

    But some are far more squeaky than others. One mustn't forget the 250,000 thousand by Assad and the Russians in Syria alone. Indiscriminate doesn't really cover it.

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    Plumber sues Ford dealer after truck with company logo was used by extremists in Syria

    The black Ford F-250 started life as a truck for a Texas-based plumbing company, carrying toilets, pipes and other supplies. But then it was sold to a Ford dealership in Houston, and after that, shepherded off to parts unknown. Until, that is, it appeared as the focal point of a post from a supposed extremist last December.

    The photo indicated that the truck no longer carried porcelain and iron parts; emerging from its cargo bed were a black-cloaked figure and an antiaircraft gun. According to the tweet, the truck was being used by Jaish al-Muhajireen wal-Ansar (the “Muhajireen Brigade”), an extremist group fighting the Syrian government.

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    Yet even with its function entirely transformed, the truck still bore the insignia of its past life, a decal that clearly read: “Mark-1 Plumbing.”

    Underneath this large lettering was an equally clear label of the company’s phone number — a number that, after the photo went viral within days of posting, began ringing nonstop.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/12/14/plumber-sues-ford-dealer-after-truck-with-company-logo-was-used-by-jihadists-in-syria/

     

     

     

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    The myth of partnering with Assad, Russia, and Iran against ISIS -
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    The U.S. and its allies must resist drifting into a flawed partnership with Russia and Iran in Syria in order to defeat ISIS. Russia has launched a diplomatic initiative to persuade the U.S. and others to accept the Syrian regime in return for Russian assistance against ISIS. The devastating terrorist attacks in Paris on Nov. 13 and the ongoing refugee crisis in Europe have added further impetus for this major strategic shift. The apparently easy solution offered by Russia will nonetheless fail. Russia cannot actually deliver the results the U.S. requires in Syria.

    Russia’s offer appears tempting because it is based on some truth: the anti-ISIS mission is not succeeding quickly enough. One reason for that stagnation is clear. The U.S. lacks a ground partner in Syria: its train and equip program failed, and its partners include a predominantly Kurdish force that can operate only in Northeastern Syria. Russia is offering the chimera of a ground force: the remnants of Assad’s army bolstered by Iran and Hezbollah backed by Russian airpower.

    Indeed, a ground force is needed. But Assad and Russia are selling more than they can deliver given the strength of pro-Assad military forces. The Syrian regime does not possess enough manpower to seize and hold all of the terrain currently held by ISIS, even with Russian and Iranian support.

    - See more at: http://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/myth-partnering-assad-russia-and-iran-against-isis#sthash.uEcHARgq.dpuf
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    On ‎14‎/‎12‎/‎2015 at 10:48 AM, scottish skier said:

    Hmmm.

     

    I had hoped that after the fall of the Soviet Union some 25 years ago that we would be making some progress in a detent with Russia but some further west than ourselves seem to be just as belligerent as ever which only goes to perpetuate the animosity and polarise opinions even more so the we are fast approaching re-visiting the old cold war days.

    I really don't think the constant sniping by the two sides at each other is productive and surely there must be some common ground where we can both start to build bridges. In the long term this would be beneficial for the two sides concerned and for the world as a whole.

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    6 hours ago, mike Meehan said:

    I had hoped that after the fall of the Soviet Union some 25 years ago that we would be making some progress in a detent with Russia but some further west than ourselves seem to be just as belligerent as ever which only goes to perpetuate the animosity and polarise opinions even more so the we are fast approaching re-visiting the old cold war days.

    I really don't think the constant sniping by the two sides at each other is productive and surely there must be some common ground where we can both start to build bridges. In the long term this would be beneficial for the two sides concerned and for the world as a whole.

    Yes it's a pity Russia didn't swing to full democracy. The renewal of the cold war hasn't had any positive benefits sadly some still buy into the propaganda. If we hadn't gone down the road of the cold war the Syrian conflict may have been solved without arming alq backed terrorists and without civilian loss of life and the refugee crisis.

    Sniping doesn't help as you say dialogue is much better than guns and rockets.

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    Whilst geopolitical hubris obviously cannot be ignored within a very complex scenario the main problem in the Middle East remains, as it has always been, the schism within Islam. Currently made even more complex by the medieval nutters reinventing ancient Sunni prophecies. The global spread of this philosophy is going to force the global powers to work together. Certainly behind the scenes if not in the twittersphere.

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    Assad and Moscow slaughter civilians with cluster bombs

    Russian and Syrian regime forces are slaughtering civilians with weapons banned under international law in a carpet-bombing campaign to shift the balance of Syria’s civil war.

    Video footage, photographs and witness testimony confirm 20 cases in which cluster munitions have been used since Russia entered the conflict at the end of September, according to Human Rights Watch. Many more unconfirmed attacks have been reported by sources on the ground.

    Eight children were killed when two schools in the rebel-controlled suburb of Douma in Damascus were hit by cluster munitions on December 13. At least two other such weapons have hit camps in northern Syria that house civilians displaced by fighting. All of the attacks have been directed at civilian, rather than military, targets.

    An international convention banning the use of cluster munitions, which break up into smaller explosives after they are fired, has been signed by 118 countries — but not Russia or Syria.

    On November 9 — when seven civilians in a camp near the Turkish border were killed by cluster bombs — the Syrian Ministry of Foreign Affairs said in a statement that regime forces did not use indiscriminate weapons.

    Ole Solvang of Human Rights Watch said: “Syria’s promises on indiscriminate weapons ring hollow when cluster munitions keep hitting civilians.

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    2 hours ago, The PIT said:

    Yes it's a pity Russia didn't swing to full democracy. The renewal of the cold war hasn't had any positive benefits sadly some still buy into the propaganda. If we hadn't gone down the road of the cold war the Syrian conflict may have been solved without arming alq backed terrorists and without civilian loss of life and the refugee crisis.

    Sniping doesn't help as you say dialogue is much better than guns and rockets.

    Sadly it seems that the old habits are returning.

    I am struck by the example of a former police officer for my old force - he resigned at the beginning of this year and took up residence in St Petersberg.

    He is of mixed the parentage of Russian and English and fluent in both languages - the reason for his move has just become clear - he got married in St Petersberg last Saturday, as far as I can tell to a Russian girl.

    He is an outgoing chap, loves socialising, football, travel, does a lot of charity work and I have a great deal of respect for him. He is intelligent, still has relatives living in the UK and I have little doubt that with access to both the Russian and British media and in a better position than most of us to read through the fog of various propaganda.

    I keep in regular contact with him via Face Book as do so many of his former colleagues. He loves St Petersberg describing it as a great city and there has a circle of friends who, quite honestly do not appear to be that very much different to the rest of us.

    This causes me to think that politics are at one level, the people are at another and if it was left up to the latter I doubt that there would be any problems, certainly between Russia and the UK - not so sure about the Americans, some of whom still appear to be brainwashed.

    But it re-enforces my belief that contacts at the people level can whittle away at the barriers which are formed at the stratospheric political level and by some of the bigots who still exist.

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    3 ISIS Twitter accounts ‘trace back to UK govt computers,’ claim hackers

    At least three Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS) supporters’ social media accounts are run from IP addresses linked to the British government’s Department for Work and Pensions (DWP), a group of hackers has claimed.

    The group of teenage computer experts, known as ‘VandaSec,’ have unearthed details of internet protocol (IP) addresses used by three jihadists to access Twitter accounts used to carry out online recruitment.

    The addresses were thought to be based in Saudi Arabia, but upon further inspection they linked back to the DWP’s London offices, according to the Daily Mirror.

    Don’t you think that’s strange?” one of the hackers asked the Daily Mirror.

    We traced these accounts back to London, the home of the British intelligence services,” they added.

    https://www.rt.com/uk/325994-isis-dwp-government-hackers/

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    Our stretched resources are now going back into Helmand to attempt to stem the Taliban insurgence.  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35157428

    Meanwhile expect a lot of civilian deaths as Iraqi troops advance into Ramadai http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-35158105    ISIS using civilians as shields.

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    1 hour ago, The PIT said:

    Our stretched resources are now going back into Helmand to attempt to stem the Taliban insurgence.  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35157428

    So let me get this straight, we're going back to Helmand to help the Afghans fight the Taliban, who themselves are fighting ISIS. Meanwhile elsewhere we bomb ISIS in Syria and Iraq. Whatever happened to the enemy of my enemy is my friend?

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    2 hours ago, Ravelin said:

    So let me get this straight, we're going back to Helmand to help the Afghans fight the Taliban, who themselves are fighting ISIS. Meanwhile elsewhere we bomb ISIS in Syria and Iraq. Whatever happened to the enemy of my enemy is my friend?

    We haven't got round to seeing the Taliban as good guys yet. Give it time if ISIS start making big inroads.

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    Russia 'directly targets civilians' in Syria, killing at least 200 in possible war crimes, Amnesty report reveals

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    Russian bombers have “directly attacked” and killed at least 200 civilians in Syria and its campaign of air strikes could amount to war crimes, campaigners say.

    In a major new report on Russia’s intervention in Syria, Amnesty International accused Vladimir Putin’s government of knowingly targeting residential areas in “indiscriminate attacks”, before covering up the evidence and effectively lying to the international community.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/amnesty-report-russia-directly-targets-civilians-in-syria-killing-at-least-200-in-possible-war-a6783271.html

    Syria report

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    Syrian Arab Republic
    Head of state: Bashar al-Assad
    Head of government: Wael Nader al-Halqi

    Syria’s internal armed conflict continued relentlessly through the year and saw both government forces and non-state armed groups commit extensive war crimes and gross human rights abuses with impunity. Government forces deliberately targeted civilians, indiscriminately bombarding civilian residential areas and medical facilities with artillery, mortars, barrel bombs and chemical agents, unlawfully killing civilians. Government forces also enforced lengthy sieges, trapping civilians and depriving them of food, medical care and other necessities. Security forces arbitrarily arrested or continued to detain thousands, including peaceful activists, human rights defenders, media and humanitarian workers, and children, subjecting some to enforced disappearance and others to prolonged detention or unfair trials. Security forces systematically tortured and otherwise ill-treated detainees with impunity; thousands of detainees reportedly died due to torture or harsh conditions. Non-state armed groups, which controlled some areas and contested others, indiscriminately shelled and besieged areas containing civilians perceived to support the government. Some, particularly the Islamic State (IS, formerly known as ISIS) armed group, carried out indiscriminate suicide attacks and other bombings in civilian areas, and perpetrated numerous unlawful killings, including summary killings of captives and suspected opponents.

    https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/middle-east-and-north-africa/syria/report-syria/

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    Afghanistan Taliban 'push further' into Helmand town of Sangin

     

    Afghan government forces have lost control of the centre of the town of Sangin in Helmand province after days of fierce fighting, reports suggest.

    Officials told the BBC that the Taliban controlled the local government building and police station.

     

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-35167983

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