Jump to content
Cold?
Local
Radar
Snow?

The Middle East...where Are Events Taking Us?


Recommended Posts

Posted
  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne
    50 minutes ago, The PIT said:

    Knocker you can replace that with China, Russia, Saudi Arabi and so on.

    We even had one person locked up over a joking tweet about blowing up Robin Hood airport.

    Jesus wept!! You excuse the appalling excesses of a brutal dictator on the grounds that we locked someone up for a tweet. Or even that other regimes are as bad. And at the same time you had the unmitigated gall recently to say that I didn't understand the reality of the Middle East.

    Maybe I don't but I recognise a brutal regime which has been inflicting atrocities on the Sunnis since before, and ever since, the Hama massacre of 1982.

    Edited by knocker
    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Spotted a post you think may be an issue? Please help the team by reporting it.
    • Replies 4.4k
    • Created
    • Last Reply

    Top Posters In This Topic

    Top Posters In This Topic

    Popular Posts

    There is no other description for what is happening other than war crime and genocide.   Israel is technically the occupying force on Gaza and as such is duty bound to protect civilians.   Complet

    The scenes in Gaza look like the aftermath of a nuclear bomb, utter devastation. The Israelis telling people to go back to their homes in northern Gaza as its "safe", what are they supposed to go back

    Reported on the BBC too... An air strike on an army camp has killed three soldiers, the Syrian government says, blaming the US-led coalition for the attack. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-

    Posted Images

    Posted
  • Location: Beccles, Suffolk.
  • Weather Preferences: Thunder, snow, heat, sunshine...
  • Location: Beccles, Suffolk.

    Blimey knocker - not even the people in the Middle East understand the Middle East!:D

    Edited by Ed Stone
    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne
    13 minutes ago, Ed Stone said:

    Blimey knocker - not even the people in the Middle East understand the Middle East!:D

    But that is the reality. But I do understand genocide.

    Edited by knocker
    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Sheffield South Yorkshire 160M Powering the Sheffield Shield
  • Weather Preferences: Any Extreme
  • Location: Sheffield South Yorkshire 160M Powering the Sheffield Shield

    There are a lot of nasty countries out there who infringe human rights a lot we support quite openly. Anyone noticed how the fuss about Human rights in china is now moistly mute. Simply because they are huge market and we want a peace of the action. 

    If Russia was a growing Market we would be backing them to hilt in Syria as we would want those trade deals.

    If Assad was the biggest oil producer to the West we'd be bending over backwards to help him.
     

    • Like 2
    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

    The consequencies of the west's failure to intervene in the early stages of the Syrian Civil War and to fully commit to intervention in Libya are now, tragically, there for all to see. Firstly in Syria it has led directly to the massacre of 250, 000 Syrians with another 14m displaced which in itself, apart from the human misery involved, has led to huge problems elsewhere in the Middle East and Europe. Secondly, it allowed ISIS into Syria through the back door, at the behest of Assad who at the same time let thousands of Jihadists out of Jail to assist him in fighting the Free Syrian army. Thirdly, we helped in the battle against Gaddafi and then congratulated ourselves and vanished. Surprise, surprise a bloody vacuum opened up and into it have stepped the the black-clad forces of medieval righteousness. Fourthly it has given Putin carte blanche to trample around in the Ukraine and Syria with the knowledge there is nowt the west can do about it.

    So if and when ISIS in Syria is defeated and a suitable temporary government installed, and I'm not holding my breath, what do we do about Libya which is rapidly becoming a second base for ISIS where they could conceivable take control of the oil fields? Is the sending of 1,000 troops the first installment?

    I've tried to avoid a lot of hypothetical ifs

    Edited by knocker
    • Like 1
    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: St rads Dover
  • Weather Preferences: Snow, T Storms.
  • Location: St rads Dover
    1 hour ago, knocker said:

    The consequencies of the west's failure to intervene in the early stages of the Syrian Civil War and to fully commit to intervention in Libya are now, tragically, there for all to see. Firstly in Syria it has led directly to the massacre of 250, 000 Syrians with another 14m displaced which in itself, apart from the human misery involved, has led to huge problems elsewhere in the Middle East and Europe. Secondly, it allowed ISIS into Syria through the back door, at the behest of Assad who at the same time let thousands of Jihadists out of Jail to assist him in fighting the Free Syrian army. Thirdly, we helped in the battle against Gaddafi and then congratulated ourselves and vanished. Surprise, surprise a bloody vacuum opened up and into it have stepped the the black-clad forces of medieval righteousness. Fourthly it has given Putin carte blanche to trample around in the Ukraine and Syria with the knowledge there is nowt the west can do about it.

    So if and when ISIS in Syria is defeated and a suitable temporary government installed, and I'm not holding my breath, what do we do about Libya which is rapidly becoming a second base for ISIS where they could conceivable take control of the oil fields? Is the sending of 1,000 troops the first installment?

    I've tried to avoid a lot of hypothetical ifs

    What I see is a lot of the weapons given to syrian rebels in daesh hands. You can't call that non intervention. Sometimes it's defectors sometimes it's cause they're captured, and sometimes they are found by the wrong group before the rebels have even touched them. That has helped the destabilization. Just wondering if things would be so bad if the US hadn't decided on that particular course. 

    • Like 1
    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne
    29 minutes ago, alexisj9 said:

    What I see is a lot of the weapons given to syrian rebels in daesh hands. You can't call that non intervention. Sometimes it's defectors sometimes it's cause they're captured, and sometimes they are found by the wrong group before the rebels have even touched them. That has helped the destabilization. Just wondering if things would be so bad if the US hadn't decided on that particular course. 

    That was an ill thought out policy and was basically a fudge so that Obama could go some way to  justify non intervention and totally pointless. Regarding intervention the very least they could have aimed for was the setting up of a no fly zone. That at least would have stopped the indiscriminate barrel bombing. I'm talking mayor sabre rattling here not gesture politics. Taking a leaf out of Putin's book before he got around to opening it.

    Edited by knocker
    • Like 2
    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: St rads Dover
  • Weather Preferences: Snow, T Storms.
  • Location: St rads Dover
    1 hour ago, knocker said:

    That was an ill thought out policy and was basically a fudge so that Obama could go some way to  justify non intervention and totally pointless. Regarding intervention the very least they could have aimed for was the setting up of a no fly zone. That at least would have stopped the indiscriminate barrel bombing. I'm talking mayor sabre rattling here not gesture politics. Taking a leaf out of Putin's book before he got around to opening it.

    Now that I agree with.

    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Sheffield South Yorkshire 160M Powering the Sheffield Shield
  • Weather Preferences: Any Extreme
  • Location: Sheffield South Yorkshire 160M Powering the Sheffield Shield

    Well a no fly zone would have stopped barrel bombing unless it was being done by our allies the Iraqi government. I wonder how much further ISIS would have got though????

    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: St rads Dover
  • Weather Preferences: Snow, T Storms.
  • Location: St rads Dover
    5 minutes ago, The PIT said:

    Well a no fly zone would have stopped barrel bombing unless it was being done by our allies the Iraqi government. I wonder how much further ISIS would have got though????

    Without the american weapons, which have help them spread, hopefully not as far as they have. However that is pure speculation, as it is impossible to know what would have happened if things were done differently. 

    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Sheffield South Yorkshire 160M Powering the Sheffield Shield
  • Weather Preferences: Any Extreme
  • Location: Sheffield South Yorkshire 160M Powering the Sheffield Shield

    Well we may have a new "moderate alley" against ISIS. The taliban http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-35123748

    America may need to go back in if Taliban are routed.

    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Clayton-Le-Woods, Chorley 59m asl.
  • Weather Preferences: very cold frosty days, blizzards, very hot weather, floods, storms
  • Location: Clayton-Le-Woods, Chorley 59m asl.

    Erdogan calls MP ‘traitor’ for telling RT that ISIS got chemical weapons via Turkey

    Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has accused opposition MP Eren Erdem of “betrayal.” Erdem told RT that Islamic State terrorists had obtained sarin gas supplies through Turkish territory – and that Ankara did nothing despite having all the evidence.

    https://www.rt.com/news/326372-erdogan-erdem-chp-syria-sarin/

     

    TURKISH GOVERNMENT: WE CAN OCCUPY RUSSIA IN SEVEN DAYS

    "Since the crash of" Sukhoi-24 "russian, Russia has taken every conceivable opportunity to undermine Turkey. Certainly my government behaves like a mature and experienced government, but our patience has limits. Faced with Russian efforts, we have, no fear, no remorse. We act with moderation, to bring our relations back to normal, if necessary, I assure you ,we can can occupy Russia in less than seven days with NATO and our regional allies "

     

    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Sheffield South Yorkshire 160M Powering the Sheffield Shield
  • Weather Preferences: Any Extreme
  • Location: Sheffield South Yorkshire 160M Powering the Sheffield Shield

    Very unclear how well the Taliban are doing against ISIS. Something to keep an eye on as this will place ISIS very close to a nuclear country. Plus another easy way to send isis recruits to the west under the Pakistan  flag. 

    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Clayton-Le-Woods, Chorley 59m asl.
  • Weather Preferences: very cold frosty days, blizzards, very hot weather, floods, storms
  • Location: Clayton-Le-Woods, Chorley 59m asl.

    Libya militia chases away US troops

    US forces flown to Libya to support government troops had to leave after landing because of demands from a local militia group, US officials say.

    Looks like even Libya is gonna do it alone or send some Russians in to get rid of ISIS in Libya just like Iraq trying to do.

    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne
    1 hour ago, The PIT said:

    Very unclear how well the Taliban are doing against ISIS. Something to keep an eye on as this will place ISIS very close to a nuclear country. Plus another easy way to send isis recruits to the west under the Pakistan  flag. 

    Many of the ISIS fighters in Afghanistan have come from Pakistan escaping a military offensive to avenge the Taliban’s massacre of 141 people, most of them children, at a Peshawar school a year ago.

    They include the Uzbeks who carried out the Hazara executions and fighters from central Asian states who have been folded into the Isis ranks. The group has fought a string of bloody battles with the mainstream Taliban in Zabul province on the Pakistan border.

    Afghan officials are incandescent at Pakistan pushing its militant problem back over the border. Masood Bakhtawar, deputy governor of Zabul, said that an initial influx of 80 families joining Isis had swelled to more than 1,000 fighters.

    “When the Pakistan offensive began they came back to Zabul province . . . Before, they were all Taliban. Now they changed to Daesh with the help of Pakistan,” said Haji Mohammad Hashim, a council member in Zabul.

    The clashes underline Isis’s expansion far from its original Jalalabad foothold. In addition to its eastern supply route from Pakistan, local officials in the north report growing traffic in supplies, money and militants from central Asia.

    Sending recruits to the west is the least of the problems.

    Edited by knocker
    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Sheffield South Yorkshire 160M Powering the Sheffield Shield
  • Weather Preferences: Any Extreme
  • Location: Sheffield South Yorkshire 160M Powering the Sheffield Shield

    Sending recruits to the west isn't something to take lightly it will be a big problem in the coming years.

    Pakistan used to fund the Taliban together with the CIA. Eventually of course they lost control. Hopefully they're not making the same mistake again but then our Government keeps making the same mistakes over and over again so perhaps not.

    If Afghanistan falls to ISIS they will then turn their attention to Pakistan.  I think Pakistan will then find the Taliban were a picnic.

     

    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Morley Leeds (West Yorkshire)
  • Location: Morley Leeds (West Yorkshire)

    Draft UN Security Council resolution on #Syria to demand "all parties immediately cease any attacks against civilians and civilian objects"

    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Sheffield South Yorkshire 160M Powering the Sheffield Shield
  • Weather Preferences: Any Extreme
  • Location: Sheffield South Yorkshire 160M Powering the Sheffield Shield
    9 minutes ago, Love Snow said:

    Draft UN Security Council resolution on #Syria to demand "all parties immediately cease any attacks against civilians and civilian objects"

    LOL civilians trapped in a war zone. Never going to happen and they know it.

    • Like 2
    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Sheffield South Yorkshire 160M Powering the Sheffield Shield
  • Weather Preferences: Any Extreme
  • Location: Sheffield South Yorkshire 160M Powering the Sheffield Shield

    If they're worried about Turkey being a bad boy of Nato tell em you sling em out in a private meeting.  At the moment we are embarrassing turkey saying we're in your air space if you do anything wrong we'll stop you. Public humiliation.

    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Lochgelly - Highest town in Fife at 150m ASL.
  • Weather Preferences: Snow and cold. Enjoy all extremes though.
  • Location: Lochgelly - Highest town in Fife at 150m ASL.

    :blink2: Then why Nato?    Is it to keep Turkey from messing up a possible peace plan?

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-19/world-powers-agrees-on-un-syria-resolution/7042974

     

     

    Edited by Blitzen
    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Clayton-Le-Woods, Chorley 59m asl.
  • Weather Preferences: very cold frosty days, blizzards, very hot weather, floods, storms
  • Location: Clayton-Le-Woods, Chorley 59m asl.

    U.S. military says a coalition airstrike aimed at #IslamicState may have killed Iraqi soldiers in a friendly-fire incident

    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Devizes Wiltshire
  • Location: Devizes Wiltshire
    7 minutes ago, pip22 said:

    U.S. military says a coalition airstrike aimed at #IslamicState may have killed Iraqi soldiers in a friendly-fire incident

     

    Just breaking news on sky? 55 brigade and 30 iraq troops dead.. Been on Rt since the morning 

     

    https://www.rt.com/news/326420-iraq-us-air-strike/ 

    10 hours ago it was posted 

     

    UPDATE: Pentagon denies 30+ Iraqi soldiers were killed, 20 injured in airstrike http://on.rt.com/6zv8  archive pic

     

    Least their have now admitted it 

     

    Edited by lfcdude
    Link to post
    Share on other sites

    Create an account or sign in to comment

    You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

    Create an account

    Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

    Register a new account

    Sign in

    Already have an account? Sign in here.

    Sign In Now
    ×
    ×
    • Create New...