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    ‘Out of question’: Erdogan rules out Turkish troop withdrawal from Iraq

    https://www.rt.com/news/325539-iraq-turkey-invasion-erdogan/

    The withdrawal of Turkish troops from Iraq is out of question, Turkey’s president Recep Tayyip Erdogan said, promising to “cooperate” on the issue with the US-led anti-ISIS coalition. Baghdad has condemned the “invasion” as a breach of international law.

    “Our servicemen went to Iraq as instructors, their mission is limited to training,” Erdogan claimed during a news conference in the Turkish capital, Ankara.

    “It is out of the question, at present, that Turkey will pull out its military from Iraq,” he stressed.

    The Turkish leader made no mention of possible talks with Iraqi authorities to resolve the controversy. Commenting on the United Nations Security Council’s failure to produce any statement on the incident as per Russia’s request, Erdogan said that Turkey “will follow the process” but “has chosen to cooperate with the international coalition.”

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    There is no other description for what is happening other than war crime and genocide.   Israel is technically the occupying force on Gaza and as such is duty bound to protect civilians.   Complet

    The scenes in Gaza look like the aftermath of a nuclear bomb, utter devastation. The Israelis telling people to go back to their homes in northern Gaza as its "safe", what are they supposed to go back

    Reported on the BBC too... An air strike on an army camp has killed three soldiers, the Syrian government says, blaming the US-led coalition for the attack. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-

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    Okay we've got Turkey land grabbing UN being useless as per normal.  I wonder what nato thinks.

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    100,000 foreign troops incl. Americans to be deployed in Iraq, MP claims

    The US is to send some 10,000 troops to Iraq to provide support for a 90,000-strong force from the Gulf states, a leading Iraqi opposition MP has warned. The politician said the plan was announced to the Iraqi government during a visit by US Senator John McCain.

    During a meeting in Baghdad on November 27, McCain told Prime Minister Haider Abadi and a number of senior Iraqi cabinet and military officials that the decision was ‘non-negotiable’, claimed Hanan Fatlawi, the head of the opposition Irada Movement.

    “A hundred thousand foreign troops, including 90,000 from Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Qatar and Jordan, and 10,000 troops from America will be deployed in western regions of Iraq,” she wrote on her Facebook page.

    She added that the Iraqi prime minister protested the plan, but was told that “the decision has already been taken.”

    https://www.rt.com/news/325477-arab-army-iraq-plan/

    If that is true we could see tensions with Russia. :(

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    Something that doesn't seem to be touched on in here but is quite important. To get the idea an extract from an article in the the Economist.

    Few Muslim sites are more serene than the resting place of Ali ibn Abi Talib, the seventh-century caliph who was the first Shia leader, in Najaf, the Shia world’s spiritual capital. Its cupola glitters with gold leaf, its marble floors gleam in the sunlight, and pilgrims throng prayer halls that shine with a million mirrored mosaics. But in their seminaries surrounding the shrine, the ayatollahs and their 13,000 students are engaged in a less-than-holy struggle to block an Iranian takeover bid.

    As their financier and weapons supplier, Iran already holds sway over Iraq’s main Shia parties and their allied militias. But control of Najaf would be its greatest prize. Standing between Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, and his aspirations for spiritual leadership of the world’s 200m Shias is an ailing 85-year-old, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani. Mr Sistani has refused to recognise either the legitimacy of Iran’s theocracy or the qualifications of its incumbent, Mr Khamenei, to be Shia Islam’s chief faqih, or jurist. “Sistani is emphatic. He doesn’t want a religious state, he wants a civil state,” says a senior cleric close to him.

    Key Iraqi figures have already switched allegiance to Mr Khamenei. They include Nuri al-Maliki, Iraq’s former prime minister and the leader of Dawa, the country’s largest Shia party. The most powerful militia associated with the State of Law coalition, which Mr Maliki heads, is Badr, with some 20,000 men under arms. Badr plasters its barracks with portraits of the Iranian leader. In a country where the militias have more firepower than the army, Iran’s pawns dominate most areas of Iraq that lie outside the control of the Kurds or Islamic State (IS). Mr Sistani has repeatedly sought to roll back their influence. He stymied Mr Maliki’s bid for a third term after the 2014 elections, and has given unqualified backing to attempts by the current prime minister, Haider al-Abadi, to rein in the militias.

    Aside from the battle against IS, Mr Sistani has shied away from joining Iran’s other regional adventures, says an aide. The ayatollah has declined the demands of Hizbullah, the Iranian-backed Shia militia that is Lebanon’s most powerful force, for a religious decree endorsing their multiple struggles. He opposes Shia intervention on behalf of the Houthi militia that took up arms against Yemen’s government. And he has doggedly refused to endorse the idea that his supporters should fight Sunni rebels in Syria as well as in Iraq, joining Iran and its friends in buttressing the regime of Bashar al-Assad. Shias who die fighting in Syria “are not martyrs”, a cleric says he heard him saying.

    So the key question is who will take over from al-Sistani because one could argue that this will dictate in direction Iraq travels and in some respects the Middle East. Although of that very much depends on events elsewhere. The Shia/Sunni conflict remains the main player in all of this mayhem with IS thrown in for good measure.

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    This won`t happen but in the past its happened,it can`t do the atmosphere any good wantsoever.

    Nuclear War May Result in Loss of Earth's Atmosphere.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/politics/20151027/1029152380/eu-nuclearization-danger-atomic-nightmare.html#ixzz3u4yS0Seg

     

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    Russia 'Fires Warning Shots' At Turkish Ship

    A Russian warship has been forced to fire warning shots at a Turkish vessel to avoid a collision, officials in Moscow have said.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1605073/russia-fires-warning-shots-at-turkish-ship

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    Russia warns Turkey over Aegean warship incident

    Russia on Sunday warned Turkey to stop staging what it called provocations against its forces in or near Syria after one of its warships fired warning shots at a Turkish vessel in the Aegean to avoid a collision.

    The Russian Defence Ministry said one of its warships, the destroyer Smetlivy, had been forced to fire the warning shots on Sunday morning and that it had summoned the Turkish military attache over the incident.

    "The Turkish military diplomat was given a tough explanation about the potentially disastrous consequences from Ankara's reckless actions towards Russia's military contingent fighting against international terrorism in Syria," the Defence Ministry said in a statement.

    "Only by luck was tragedy avoided," the ministry said.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-russia-turkey-idUSKBN0TW0EU20151213?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=twitter

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    18 hours ago, pip22 said:
    7 hours ago, pip22 said:

    Russia warns Turkey over Aegean warship incident

    Russia on Sunday warned Turkey to stop staging what it called provocations against its forces in or near Syria after one of its warships fired warning shots at a Turkish vessel in the Aegean to avoid a collision.

    The Russian Defence Ministry said one of its warships, the destroyer Smetlivy, had been forced to fire the warning shots on Sunday morning and that it had summoned the Turkish military attache over the incident.

    "The Turkish military diplomat was given a tough explanation about the potentially disastrous consequences from Ankara's reckless actions towards Russia's military contingent fighting against international terrorism in Syria," the Defence Ministry said in a statement.

    "Only by luck was tragedy avoided," the ministry said.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-russia-turkey-idUSKBN0TW0EU20151213?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=twitter

    Russia 'Fires Warning Shots' At Turkish Ship

    A Russian warship has been forced to fire warning shots at a Turkish vessel to avoid a collision, officials in Moscow have said.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1605073/russia-fires-warning-shots-at-turkish-ship

    More appendage waving by the Russians.

    A small Turkish fishing boat approach to 600m of a large Russian warship...The Smetlivy...in international waters,  v close to Turkey and Greece. It was almost 1,000km from Syria in an area teeming with Turkish and Greek fishing boats.

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    Looking further north to the Bosphorus...it's only 750m wide at some points, so presumably the Russians intend to open fire on Istanbul as they pass through!?.....Best the Turks take defensive measures.

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    Hmmm.

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    Egypt: Sinai crash probe finds 'no proof of terrorism'

    Egyptian investigators say they have so far found no proof that terrorism caused a Russian jet to crash in the Sinai in October, killing 224 people.

     

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    EXCLUSIVE: Sarin materials brought via Turkey & mixed in Syrian ISIS camps – Turkish MP to RT

    https://www.rt.com/news/325825-sarin-gas-syria-turkey/

     

     

    Another boat incident further strains Turkey-Russia ties

    Turkey's foreign minister has said Ankara has limited patience with Russia, after a second naval incident in as many days. President Vladimir Putin's spokesman called off a meeting between Putin and Turkey's Erdogan.

    http://www.dw.com/en/another-boat-incident-further-strains-turkey-russia-ties/a-18916628

     

     

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    This should go in the trump thread really but this is for the midle east thread and more important.

    Everybody in the government and the media knows, is what he means by that. The average person doesn’t know who arms and funds daesh.

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    Donald: Right now, you have things going on, you have so called people that you think are on our side, they’re not reporting it, they’re not talking about it, and in some cases they’re involved with it. I mean look: I’ll give you an example.

    Some of our so-called allies that we work with and that we protect militarily, they are sending massive amounts of money to ISIS and to al-Queda and to others.

    Joe: So, who are you talking about there?

    Donald: You know who it is. What do I have to bring it up for? You know who it is.

    Joe: Because you’re running for President. Are you talking about the Saudis?

    Donald: Joe. Hey Joe. Other countries are giving massive amounts of money. People from other countries are giving massive amounts of money.

    Joe: So are you saying the Saudis are doing this?

    Donald: Of course they’re doing it. Everybody knows that.

    Joe: Okay, any other countries?

    Donald: There are, but I’m not gonna say it, because I have a lot of relationships with people. But there are. And you know that. And everybody knows that. And nobody says it. Nobody talks about it.

    Joe: You aren’t even saying the countries that are doing it right now. Why aren’t you willing to name those – you say you have a lot of releationships –

    Donald: Hey Joe. Joe. All you have to do is check your records. Our government knows the countries.

     

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    Reports suggest that 7,000 Russian soldiers to be stationed on the Armenia-Turkey border

    World Bulletin / News Desk

    Russian garrisons are being deployed near the Armenia's border with Turkey on the Armenian government's request, media reported Monday.

    According to local media, the decree to send the troops to Armenia was already signed by Russian President Putin, and the deployment will start soon.

    Reports suggest that 7,000 soldiers from 58th Army Corps and will be stationed on the Armenia-Turkey border.

    The Russian troops are expected to be equipped with missiles and tanks.

    The Armenian government has supposedly asked Russia to deploy its troops to the Turkey border as it fears an armed attack on the country.

    I don't know if this true or not. If this true it would be one step towards WW3. This is getting intense.:shok:

     

     

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    BREAKING: Saudi Arabia announces formation of an Islamic military alliance, a 34 state military block coalition to fight terrorism - Reuters

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    40 minutes ago, Love Snow said:

    BREAKING: Saudi Arabia announces formation of an Islamic military alliance, a 34 state military block coalition to fight terrorism - Reuters

    But are the terrorists they want to fight the terrorists that we want to fight? Or are the terrorists we want to fight the terrorists that they want to fund? That's even before we get to whether the terrorists they,  or we, want to fight are the terrorists that the Russians want to fight? 

    Now was that clear? If so I can continue to expand in regards to the terrorists that the Turks want to fight. 

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    ‘Islamic coalition against terrorism’: Saudi Arabia presents 34-state military block

    A Riyadh-based “Islamic military alliance” has been formed with a mission to fight terrorism, Saudi Arabian state TV has announced. The coalition consists of 34 countries, including the Gulf States, a number of African countries, Turkey, Egypt, Malaysia and Pakistan.

    Countries involved in the coalition aside from Saudi Arabia, include Jordan, the UAE, Pakistan, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Benin, Turkey, Chad, Togo, Tunisia, Djibouti, Senegal, Sudan, Sierra Leone, Somalia, Gabon, Guinea, the partially-recognized state of Palestine, the Islamic Federal Republic of the Comoros, Qatar, Cote d’Ivoire, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Maldives, Mali, Malaysia, Egypt, Morocco, Mauritania, Niger, Nigeria, Yemen.

    “The countries here mentioned have decided on the formation of a military alliance led by Saudi Arabia to fight terrorism, with a joint operations centre based in Riyadh to coordinate and support military operations,” state news agency SPA quoted an official statement as saying.

    https://www.rt.com/news/325929-islamic-coalition-terrorism-saudi/

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    14 hours ago, Ravelin said:

    But are the terrorists they want to fight the terrorists that we want to fight? Or are the terrorists we want to fight the terrorists that they want to fund? That's even before we get to whether the terrorists they,  or we, want to fight are the terrorists that the Russians want to fight? 

    Now was that clear? If so I can continue to expand in regards to the terrorists that the Turks want to fight. 

    Like that Ravelin

    ....Yes, all good, so now we have an Islamic military alliance (excluding the likes of Iran, Iraq and Syria) ready to take on the terrorists. So the big Sunni backers such as Saudi and Turkey, who represent the new beacons of  "anti-terrorism" will likely focus on taking out the Shia terrorist groups such as Hezbollah and Hamas?....who in turn are supported and sponsored by Iran and Russia? What could possibly go wrong?

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    Kiwi you're forgetting that Saudi are backing terrorist groups that want to destroy us but sell us oil and buy our weapons

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    3 hours ago, The PIT said:

    Kiwi you're forgetting that Saudi are backing terrorist groups that want to destroy us but sell us oil and buy our weapons

    Nope. Hence my tongue in cheek reference to Turkey and Saudi as the new beacons of "anti-terrorism".

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    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/12052765/Britain-to-support-newly-formed-Muslim-nations-ground-army-against-Isil.html

    Britain faced the prospect of being dragged further into the war in Syria on Tuesday night, as it was poised to support a newly-formed "ground army" from Muslim nations who could attack Isil within weeks.

    The coalition of 34 largely Sunni Muslim nations on Tuesday night said it was planning to send special forces into Syria to help defeat Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant.

    British forces, alongside the United States and other Nato allies, are already bombing Isil in both Iraq and Syria, but military sources said they would have to provide command and control, intelligence and air support to troops from the new coalition.

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    Italy to send 500 soldiers to defend Iraq's largest dam in Mosul

    Troops will provide security for contractors from an Italian firm who have been given the job of repairing the massive Mosul dam after it was seized last year by Isil

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/12053500/Italy-to-send-500-soldiers-to-defend-Iraqs-largest-dam-in-Mosul.html

    Looks like Italy is joining in now.

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    Italy to send 500 soldiers to defend Iraq's largest dam in Mosul

    Troops will provide security for contractors from an Italian firm who have been given the job of repairing the massive Mosul dam after it was seized last year by Isil

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/12053500/Italy-to-send-500-soldiers-to-defend-Iraqs-largest-dam-in-Mosul.html

    Looks like Italy is joining in now.

    Who are they defending against? Turkish troops are already in the Mosul area.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/12/analysis-fate-mosul-turkey-hands-151213105749003.html

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    And the war against Isis gains momentum

    A string of military victories has put President Assad of Syria in his strongest position for more than two years and caused yet more refugees in a country where more than half of the population have been forced out of their homes.

    Regime forces, supported by Russia in the skies and Iranian-backed Shia militias on the ground, have advanced into several key areas in the rebel-held north. That has put Mr Assad in control of an almost unbroken sweep of territory from Damascus to Latakia.

    Moscow’s entry seems to have shifted the balance, with fighter jets launching hundreds of strikes on opposition-controlled areas in readiness for the regime’s ground offensives.

    Contrary to the Kremlin’s claims, the majority of Russian strikes have been against civilian and mainstream opposition targets, not Islamic State. At least 34 people were killed in two airstrikes on markets in the city of Idlib yesterday. Aid work has ground to a halt in northern Syria as Russia attacks humanitarian supply routes.

    All of the areas that fell to the regime in the past week had been controlled by mainstream rebel groups.

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    The evil that is Assads regime

    Ahmad al-Musalmani, 14, was returning from Lebanon to Syria to attend his mother’s funeral when officers from President Assad’s air force intelligence stopped his minibus at a bridge checkpoint.

    They found a song criticising President Assad on his mobile phone, enough to incriminate the youngster. One officer called him an animal as he dragged him away.

    That was August 2012. The teenager’s family discovered his fate two and a half years later. A photographer who worked for the military under the codename Caesar smuggled 28,707 pictures out of Syria showing 6,786 of the people who died in government detention facilities. Five images were of al-Musalmani’s corpse. The boy’s story is just one of several that have come to light after the international organisation Human Rights Watch (HRW) began an investigation to identify the victims in the photographs.

    Syria: Stories Behind Photos of Killed Detainees

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    (Moscow) – Nine months of research reveals some of the human stories behind the more than 28,000 photos of deaths in government custody that were smuggled out of Syria and first came to public attention in January 2014.

    The 86-page report, “If the Dead Could Speak: Mass Deaths and Torture in Syria’s Detention Facilities,” lays out new evidence regarding the authenticity of what are known as the Caesar photographs, identifies a number of the victims, and highlights some of the key causes of death. Human Rights Watch located and interviewed 33 relatives and friends of 27 victims whose cases researchers verified; 37 former detainees who saw people die in detention; and four defectors who worked in Syrian government detention centers or the military hospitals where most of the photographs were taken. Using satellite imagery and geolocation techniques, Human Rights Watch confirmed that some of the photographs of the dead were taken in the courtyard of the 601 Military Hospital in Mezze.

    https://www.hrw.org/news/2015/12/16/syria-stories-behind-photos-killed-detainees

     

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    Knocker you can replace that with China, Russia, Saudi Arabi and so on.

    We even had one person locked up over a joking tweet about blowing up Robin Hood airport.

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