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    Fears of multiple explosions in Ankara, police on alert, reports of injuries & panic

     

    breaking news  

     

     

    UPDATE: Explosion in Ankara result of gas compression, 3 people reportedly injured - local media http://on.rt.com/6xk4 

     

    As i said yesterday Turkey violated Greek airspace daily 

     

     

    ‘They know how it’s done’: Turkey violated Greek airspace 2,244 times in 2014 alone

     

    The newspaper quoted University of Thessaly statistics based on the Greek military’s count - there were 2,244 violations in 2014, an increase from 636 in 2013.

     

    https://www.rt.com/news/323429-greece-turkey-airspace-violations/

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    There is no other description for what is happening other than war crime and genocide.   Israel is technically the occupying force on Gaza and as such is duty bound to protect civilians.   Complet

    The scenes in Gaza look like the aftermath of a nuclear bomb, utter devastation. The Israelis telling people to go back to their homes in northern Gaza as its "safe", what are they supposed to go back

    Reported on the BBC too... An air strike on an army camp has killed three soldiers, the Syrian government says, blaming the US-led coalition for the attack. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-

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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34925229

     

    Surely it can't be too difficult to at least confirm where the crash site was, and therefore confirming/casting doubt on who's account if the flight path is more likely to be true.

     

    Since Russia are operating from bases within Syria, at the apparent request of Assad, who's to say they couldn't decide to 'play hardball' and threaten to shoot down any aircraft that enters Syrian airspace? Especially if it originates in Turkey, since they have already demonstrated their willingness to so so in the other direction.

     

    It was said it would get messy, and it has. Even if the Russian aircraft did enter Turkish airspace, it was for a very short time and they were obviously posing no threat. The decision to shoot one of them down just seems bizarre (or completely incompetent).

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    Turkish embassy in Moscow pelted by stones, crowds protest Su-24 downing (PHOTOS, VIDEOS) http://on.rt.com/6xk2 

     

     

    The Turkish embassy in Moscow was pelted with various objects on Wednesday in a furious protest over the downing of the Russian bomber over Syria. Numerous images and videos on social media show broken glass and stained walls.

    Several police cordons are seen in images near the embassy. Users on social media wrote that law enforcers have been trying to shield the entrances to the building from protesters.

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    Press reports that Turkey will establish a safe zone in northern Syria within days.

    http://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/news/2015/11/25/turkey-will-establish-safe-zone-in-syria-within-days

     

    IHHTurkish relief convoy hit by Russian airstrike inside Syria close to Turkish border.

     

    Photos circulating of Turkish Sabra main battle tanks reportedly being transported to the Syrian border.

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    Putin moves anti-aircraft missile system to Turkish border after accusing the country's officials of 'deliberately provoking' Russia by shooting down their fighter jet

    • Tensions high since Turkish army shot down Russian jet on Syrian border
    • Russian Foreign Secretary Sergey Lavrov called it 'planned provocation'
    • Putin has moved his highly advanced S-400 anti-aircraft system into Syria
    • Also claimed ISIS was trading human organs on black markets in Turkey
    • President of Turkey says country does not want any escalation with Russia

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3333777/Russia-accuses-Turkey-planned-provocation-supporting-ISIS-selling-human-organs-pilot-denies-warned-jet-shot-down.html

     

    Human organs?? What?

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    Meanwhile our own military is getting ready for action. There's been a lot of fighter jet activity here recently, so much so it's a talking point on Facebook for various reasons. One thing we don't normally get down here is night time activity, there's still a jet ripping round at this time of night which is highly unusual.

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  • Location: Bramley, Hampshire, 70m asl
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    Meanwhile our own military is getting ready for action. There's been a lot of fighter jet activity here recently, so much so it's a talking point on Facebook for various reasons. One thing we don't normally get down here is night time activity, there's still a jet ripping round at this time of night which is highly unusual.

     

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    https://www.rt.com/business/323391-isis-oil-business-turkey-russia/

     

    Moscow has accused Turkey of helping Islamic State in the illegal oil trade which helps finance the terrorist group. According to analysts, Russian airstrikes in Syria are disrupting the profitable deals for Turkish middlemen, including Ankara officials.

    Turkish social media has posted photos of Turkish President Recep Erdogan’s son Necmettin Bilal having dinner in an Istambul restaurant with an alleged ISIS leader, who it is claimed participated in massacres in Syria’s Homs and Rojava, the Kurdish name for Syrian Kurdistan or Western Kurdistan.

     

    Cahida Dêrsim â€@dilkocer  5h

    FLASH - #Turkish jets are bombing the area Metina in South Kurdistan, northern #Iraq (ANF) #Twitterkurds

     

    Yep who side is turkey on.. Isis

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    Erdogan's son with ISIS members:

     

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    https://www.rt.com/business/323391-isis-oil-business-turkey-russia/

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    So, we need to bomb Turkey too now?

     

    This is getting complicated.

     

    Where the parties stand on bombing Syria.

     

    I quite liked the statement of the obvious by Alex Salmond.

     

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34710658

     

    Syria bombing: Where UK parties stand

     

    ...Foreign affairs spokesman Alex Salmond told the BBC there was "no shortage" of countries bombing Syria at the moment. "Everyone and their auntie is bombing someone in Syria," he said. "What there is a shortage of is a coherent plan to bring about peace in Syria in a rapid timescale."

     

     

    Bombing Syria does seem to be the in thing right now, with Dave very keen not to be left out of the party.

     

    Problem is there's almost too much choice of who to side with and who to target. Maybe Dave could just pick a group to attack out of a hat each day? I suspect that strategy would be as successful as any other.

     

    Sadly, and on a serious note, as per the lack of any long term economic plan, there's of course a lack of any coherent plan for after the bombing.

     

    #notlearningfrommistakes

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    Russia fired cluster bombs around border camps housing thousands of Syrian refugees in the weeks before one of its jets was shot down by Turkish fighter jets.

     

    The area around the Yamadi camp, a few hundred metres from the Turkish border, was targeted by Russian strikes three times in the past month. The nearby Aubain camp was struck by a cluster bomb on November 9, killing four people and injuring dozens more.

     

    The clashes and airstrikes intensified over the weekend, with at least 50 people killed and 500 injured by Russian and regime airstrikes and shelling in the area.

     

    Russia launched punitive airstrikes in several areas close to the Turkish border yesterday — including the site where the jet was shot down on Tuesday.

    Aid workers told The Times that on Monday parts of a Russian cluster munition targeted at Yamadi camp landed inside Turkish territory — a possible motive for Ankara’s retaliation.

     

    “We have seen the Russian jets a lot over the past few weeks, but usually the Turkish jets push them back if they go into Turkey,†Ahmed Haroun, a logistics worker with the Turkish Red Crescent in Yamadi camp, said. “I think they shot down the jet because of the cluster bomb the day before.â€

     

    The Turkish government has not commented on the reports.

     

    Nine thousand people are sheltering in Yamadi camp, up from 5,000 a week ago. Before the Russian strikes, it was considered to be one of the safest refugee camps in Syria. There had not been any air strikes nearby in the 4½ years since the conflict began.

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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34929242?ocid=socialflow_facebook&ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbcnews&ns_source=facebook

     

    How come they spoke English to warn the Russian pilots? That doesn't make any sense.

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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34929242?ocid=socialflow_facebook&ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbcnews&ns_source=facebook

     

    How come they spoke English to warn the Russian pilots? That doesn't make any sense.

    Isn't English the universal language, when it comes to planes and shipping?

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    Isn't English the universal language, when it comes to planes and shipping?

    I don't think a Russian pilot will understand English well.

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    Where the parties stand on bombing Syria.

     

    I quite liked the statement of the obvious by Alex Salmond.

     

     

    Bombing Syria does seem to be the in thing right now, with Dave very keen not to be left out of the party.

     

    Problem is there's almost too much choice of who to side with and who to target. Maybe Dave could just pick a group to attack out of a hat each day? I suspect that strategy would be as successful as any other.

     

    Sadly, and on a serious note, as per the lack of any long term economic plan, there's of course a lack of any coherent plan for after the bombing.

     

    #notlearningfrommistakes

     

    And he has the audacity to criticise Corbyn for being a threat to national security...

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    And he has the audacity to criticise Corbyn for being a threat to national security...

    And even more worrying is the vast number of (presumably thick?) people that believe him? :cc_confused:

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    Top quality polling here from Yougov. My highlights.

     

    Maybe it was for the Daily Mail and is correct.

     

     

    http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/9mx7s8i3l8/Copy%20of%20InternalResults_151124_Syria.pdf

     

    Do you think Britain should or should not be prepared to cooperate with and work alongside the Assad government in Syria
    when combating Islamic State/ISIS?
    - Britain should be prepared to work with the government of Iran - whatever their faults, it is more important that we defeat ISIS 
    - Britain should not be prepared to work with the Assad government - their record of killing their own citizens means Britain should not deal
    with them
    - Don't know

     

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    Where the parties stand on bombing Syria.

     

    I quite liked the statement of the obvious by Alex Salmond.

     

     

     

    Shame he really doesn't care about Syria then because he was to busy to attend the Syrian debate today in parliament, 

     

    salmond misses Syria debate to unveil portrait of himself

    http://order-order.com/2015/11/26/salmond-misses-syria-debate-to-unveil-portrait-of-himself/

     

    Meet The Man Who Funds ISIS: Bilal Erdogan, The Son Of Turkey's President

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-25/meet-man-who-funds-isis-bilal-erdogan-son-turkeys-president

     

    http://news.yahoo.com/turkey-risks-sparking-world-war-says-iraqs-maliki-113845036.html

    Baghdad (AFP) - Iraqi Vice President Nuri al-Maliki Thursday accused Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of pushing the world to the brink of a global conflict after Turkey's downing of a Russian warplane.

     

    "Erdogan claims that a Russian aircraft entered Turkey's airspace for a few seconds, forgetting that its own planes violate Iraqi and Syrian airspace every day," he said in a statement.

    Turkish fighter jets have in recent months carried out a series of deadly strikes against rebels of the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) in their bases in the north of Iraq.

    "Erdogan's double standards and aggressive policies are threatening a new world war," he said.

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    BREAKING: Turkish newspaper editor in court for 'espionage' after revealing weapon convoy to Syrian militants http://on.rt.com/6xnp 

     

    More truth about the secret ISIS-Turkish Alliance is coming out.

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    Former NATO Commander: ‘Turkey is Supporting ISIS’

     

    Wesley Clark says Islamic State is "serving the interests of Turkey"

     

    http://www.infowars.com/former-nato-commander-turkey-is-supporting-isis/

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    Former NATO Commander: ‘Turkey is Supporting ISIS’

     

    Wesley Clark says Islamic State is "serving the interests of Turkey"

     

    http://www.infowars.com/former-nato-commander-turkey-is-supporting-isis/

    Tell that to cameron before he has us bombing russia on their behalf.

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    Russo-Turkish Tensions Since the Start of the Russian Air Campaign -

     


    Russia and Turkey have long been at odds over Syria, with Moscow backing President Bashar al Assad and Ankara supporting the opposition to overthrow him.  Tensions increased dramatically with the start of the Russian air campaign on September 30.  The Turkish shoot-down of a Russian combat aircraft on November 24 is an escalation in this tense stand-off between Russia and a NATO member.  Although both sides may refrain from additional aggressive activities at once, tensions between Russia and Turkey have been continuously growing and are likely to expand, further testing the strength of the US commitment to its NATO partner.  These tensions will also severely hinder efforts to build a "grand coalition" including Turkey and Russia. - See more at: http://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russo-turkish-tensions-start-russian-air-campaign-0#sthash.jPRzLreA.dpuf

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