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    In a letter to the UN, Turkey said the two SU-24 planes disregarded warnings and violated Turkish airspace "to a depth of 1.36 miles and 1.15 miles in length for 17 seconds".

     

    i thought turkey warned them 10 times   that once every 1.7 seconds

    So I suppose the next question is, when the missile actually struck the SU-24 was it even still in Turkish airspace?

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    There is no other description for what is happening other than war crime and genocide.   Israel is technically the occupying force on Gaza and as such is duty bound to protect civilians.   Complet

    The scenes in Gaza look like the aftermath of a nuclear bomb, utter devastation. The Israelis telling people to go back to their homes in northern Gaza as its "safe", what are they supposed to go back

    Reported on the BBC too... An air strike on an army camp has killed three soldiers, the Syrian government says, blaming the US-led coalition for the attack. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-

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  • Location: Bramley, Hampshire, 70m asl
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    Update: BREAKING: Russia deploys missile cruiser off Syria coast, ordered to destroy any target posing danger http://on.rt.com/6xhd

    Don't think the Turks will be unduly concerned by one cruiser

    Remember the vast majority of Russia's logistics in Syria have to come through the Bosphorus strait.

    The Turks can easily blockade the whole of Russia's Black sea fleet.

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  • Location: South Norfolk, 44 m ASL.
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    Don't think the Turks will be unduly concerned by one cruiser

    Remember the vast majority of Russia's logistics in Syria have to come through the Bosphorus strait.

    The Turks can easily blockade the whole of Russia's Black sea fleet.

     

    Invasion of Gallipoli anyone? :wallbash::help::shok:

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  • Location: Mostly Watford but 3 months of the year at Capestang 34310, France
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    I don't think this lot could get any more confusing, so many different factors all at loggerheads and fighting each other - it really needs some heads banging together to get some kind of united front against the real enemy, the Jihadists, or IS and get them sorted out first, then decisions can be made about all the rest and this really needs a very careful plan, if necessary redraw the boundaries and have a structured plan in place for a lasting peace in the area.

     

    I don't know whether it is more the pity we can't dig up T E Lawrence and get him back to work on it, or that he was not taken that much notice of at the end of WW1 and we had the grand carve up between the UK and France.

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    Don't think the Turks will be unduly concerned by one cruiser

    Remember the vast majority of Russia's logistics in Syria have to come through the Bosphorus strait.

    The Turks can easily blockade the whole of Russia's Black sea fleet.

    Which won't be in our interests at the moment.

     

    Just seen the first anti ISIS advert on the BBC totally orientated towards women which won't do anything for the male side of things but a start.

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  • Location: Bramley, Hampshire, 70m asl
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    Which won't be in our interests at the moment.

     

    Just seen the first anti ISIS advert on the BBC totally orientated towards women which won't do anything for the male side of things but a start.

    Yes can't see a face off/increased tension between Turkey and Russia being anything but bad news.....and certainly not in our interests. Terms such as reckless, loose cannons and untrustworthy apply to both in equal measure. Unsuprisingly both leaders are similar, belligerent, psychopathic strongmen.

     

    Erdogan more than a bit narked at his old mate Vlad bombing the Turkmen. Perhaps this will simply prove to be a case of macho men wielding handbags.  Hopefully they can find common ground and deescalate their tiff?

     

    Not seen the anti Isis "advert"

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  • Location: Devizes Wiltshire
  • Location: Devizes Wiltshire

    https://www.rt.com/news/323373-ankara-defends-isis-medvedev/

     

    Some Turkish officials have ‘direct financial interest’ in the oil trade with the terrorist group Islamic State, Russian PM Dmitry Medvedev said as he detailed possible Russian retaliation to Turkey’s downing of a Russian warplane in Syria on Tuesday.

     

    Second Russian pilot safely evacuated from "hostile territory" by Syrian special forces, according to pro Hezbollah media. #Syria

     

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    #Russia conducting airstrikes now in the Turkmen mountains near the Turkish border, in the same area where pilots ejected yesterday.

     

     

    Sky news now confirming 2nd Russian pilot is safe and was saved by the brave Syrian army 

     

    Russian ambassador to France says one of the two russian pilots shot down by Turkey was picked up by the Syrian army

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    Russian flight path makes a lot more sense to be fair 

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  • Location: Bramley, Hampshire, 70m asl
  • Location: Bramley, Hampshire, 70m asl

    https://www.rt.com/news/323373-ankara-defends-isis-medvedev/

     

    Some Turkish officials have ‘direct financial interest’ in the oil trade with the terrorist group Islamic State, Russian PM Dmitry Medvedev said as he detailed possible Russian retaliation to Turkey’s downing of a Russian warplane in Syria on Tuesday.

     

    Daniel Nisman â€@DannyNis  4m

    #Russia conducting airstrikes now in the Turkmen mountains near the Turkish border, in the same area where pilots ejected yesterday.

     

     

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    Russian flight path makes a lot more sense to be fair 

     

    Russia really do have snags finding Isis, don't they! Despite continual claims that they are targetting Isis, Russia are simply targetting all groups opposed to Assad.

    The Turkmen, a Turkish minority group within Syria, have long been oppressed by the Assad regime and are now fighting against him. They are not Isis! Russia are asking for trouble from Turkey by targetting the Turkmen and Erdogan is miffed.

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    Russia really do have snags finding Isis, don't they! Despite continual claims that they are targetting Isis, Russia are simply targetting all groups opposed to Assad.

    The Turkmen, a Turkish minority group within Syria, have long been oppressed by the Assad regime and are now fighting against him. They are not Isis! Russia are asking for trouble from Turkey by targetting the Turkmen and Erdogan is miffed.

     

     

    All opposed to assad r terrorists just ask the "refugees" who have fled all these groups, Apart from the kurds who r working with the Syrian army and air force 

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    All opposed to assad r terrorists just ask the "refugees" who have fled all these groups, Apart from the kurds who r working with the Syrian army and air force

    "One man's freedom fighter is the next man's terrorist" is an oft used phrase that comes to mind.

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    All opposed to assad r terrorists just ask the "refugees" who have fled all these groups, Apart from the kurds who r working with the Syrian army and air force 

     

    Really. So all the Sunnis, who used to be the majority in Syria, who oppose the brutal Alawite Assad regime are terrorists? And considering the vast majority of the estimated 9m were forced to flee due to blanket barrel bombing by Assad and his Russian and Iranian cronies that's a bit rich.

     

    As Kiwi has pointed out, Russia has not been targeting IS but the Syrian rebel army and by doing so have not only carried on killing innocent Syrian civilians but forced another 70,000 into IS territory.

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    Really. So all the Sunnis, who used to be the majority in Syria, who oppose the brutal Alawite Assad regime are terrorists? And considering the vast majority of the estimated 9m were forced to flee due to blanket barrel bombing by Assad and his Russian and Iranian cronies that's a bit rich.

     

    As Kiwi has pointed out, Russia has not been targeting IS but the Syrian rebel army and by doing so have not only carried on killing innocent Syrian civilians but forced another 70,000 into IS territory.

     

    Blanket bombed knocker when did the blanket bombing start? And why were their as you say blanket bombed? Because the Saudi Arabia  the west and turkey wanted to over throw the Syrian government and put a pipeline thow the country... Ordinary civilians have just been a porn in this proxy conflict that Assad meant no harm to,

    Hence why when assad forces recaptured homs the people went back but then fled as Isis took over again 

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2624235/return-homs-thousands-syrians-scenes-horrendous-destruction.html

     

    LATEST: S-300 missile system to be deployed to Syrian military base as well - Putin http://on.rt.com/6xir 

     

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    BREAKING: Russian missile cruiser off Latakia coast, ready to destroy dangerous air targets - Defense Minister http://on.rt.com/6xix 

     

     

    MORE: Cruiser with long-range surface-to-air missiles ready to take down any aerial targets http://on.rt.com/6xix 

     

     

    Dont think the turks will dare mess with russian planes any more :)

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    https://www.rt.com/news/323373-ankara-defends-isis-medvedev/

     

    Some Turkish officials have ‘direct financial interest’ in the oil trade with the terrorist group Islamic State, Russian PM Dmitry Medvedev said as he detailed possible Russian retaliation to Turkey’s downing of a Russian warplane in Syria on Tuesday.

     

    Second Russian pilot safely evacuated from "hostile territory" by Syrian special forces, according to pro Hezbollah media. #Syria

     

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    #Russia conducting airstrikes now in the Turkmen mountains near the Turkish border, in the same area where pilots ejected yesterday.

     

     

    Sky news now confirming 2nd Russian pilot is safe and was saved by the brave Syrian army 

     

    Russian ambassador to France says one of the two russian pilots shot down by Turkey was picked up by the Syrian army

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    Russian flight path makes a lot more sense to be fair 

    I was always wondering why the planes took off from the middle of no where and from two different places from the turkey one. Also even if turkey is right they would have only been over that tiny peninsular for a couple of seconds almost literally, to me that would not justify shooting anything down, a warning yes but actually shooting no. Also 10 warnings in 5 mins, when. And finally it makes it almost certain even by the turkish map that the plane was either leaving or had already left turkish airspace before it was shot, a big no no. 

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    Really. So all the Sunnis, who used to be the majority in Syria, who oppose the brutal Alawite Assad regime are terrorists? And considering the vast majority of the estimated 9m were forced to flee due to blanket barrel bombing by Assad and his Russian and Iranian cronies that's a bit rich.

     

    As Kiwi has pointed out, Russia has not been targeting IS but the Syrian rebel army and by doing so have not only carried on killing innocent Syrian civilians but forced another 70,000 into IS territory.

     

    They've been killing all terrorists including ISIL and the Free Syrian Army

     

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/613057/Russia-takes-out-49-ISIS-targets-24-hours-of-ruthless-bombing-in-Syria

     

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3330232/Russia-destroys-472-ISIS-targets-141-bombing-missions-Syria-weekend-intensify-campaign-airstrikes.html

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    People backing Russia on this one let's not forget the lying scum bags russia shot down a commercial jet not so long back and killed all them innocent people

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    Yes Russia has recently switched attention to concentrate more on IS. A blowing up of an airliner apparently concentrates the mind.

     

    However there is no escaping the fact that when Russia escalated their military intervention, under the guise of attacking IS, it was to attack the Free Syrian Army and the civilians within that territory. Assad's rag bag army, even with help from Hezbollah and the Iranian special forces, was in grave danger of going under unless Russia stepped up to the plate. At that time IS was no immediate treat to Assad.

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    Emirates Secretly Sends Colombian Mercenaries to Fight in Yemen

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/26/world/middleeast/emirates-secretly-sends-colombian-mercenaries-to-fight-in-yemen.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&_r=2

     

    WASHINGTON — The United Arab Emirates has secretly dispatched hundreds of Colombian mercenaries to Yemen to fight in that country’s raging conflict, adding a volatile new element in a complex proxy war that has drawn in the United States and Iran.

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  • Location: Mostly Watford but 3 months of the year at Capestang 34310, France
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    People backing Russia on this one let's not forget the lying scum bags russia shot down a commercial jet not so long back and killed all them innocent people

    To make things clear I'm not defending russia, however neither will I defend an illegal plane shoot down, and whether russia was in turkey for seconds or not, there was clearly no reason to shoot down the plane and put every NATO country in danger of retribution. Perhaps others feel differently, but that was a dangerous stunt pulled yesterday, and I feel it was done to get russia to retaliate so that NATO gets the green light to go in to do what they want and get russia at the same time. I do think it was a Turkey only plan, but Russia may think otherwise, do not trust Turkey's leader at all, seems to be more of a dictator type. 

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    Downing of Russian Su-24 looks like a planned provocation - Lavrov

     

    https://www.rt.com/news/323404-lavrov-syria-s24-turkey/

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    World leaders scramble to defuse 'monstrous' new crisis over Russia's downed jet: Putin ratchets the tension by dispatching warship to Mediterranean as Moscow expert warns war is 'likely' 

    • Russia warns of 'serious consequences' after Nato country downs Russian military jet for first time since 1953
    • Two pilots were reportedly shot dead by Syrian rebels as they parachuted from burning Sukhoi Su-24 warplane
    • Third Russian said to have died when rescue helicopter was hit with anti-tank missile by another rebel group
    • Russia denied plane had been in Turkish airspace but Nato secretary-general says assessment showed it had
    • A warship has been deployed to the Mediterranean Sea to destroy potential threats to Russian forces in Syria 
    • Britain has declared military back-up is on standby to support Turkey in any revenge attack by Putin's forces

     

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3332790/Monstrous-new-crisis-Russia-s-downed-jet-Putin-s-fury-stab-terror-accomplices-Moscow-analyst-warns-war-likely-Moscow-analyst.html

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    World leaders scramble to defuse 'monstrous' new crisis over Russia's downed jet: Putin ratchets the tension by dispatching warship to Mediterranean as Moscow expert warns war is 'likely' 

    • Russia warns of 'serious consequences' after Nato country downs Russian military jet for first time since 1953
    • Two pilots were reportedly shot dead by Syrian rebels as they parachuted from burning Sukhoi Su-24 warplane
    • Third Russian said to have died when rescue helicopter was hit with anti-tank missile by another rebel group
    • Russia denied plane had been in Turkish airspace but Nato secretary-general says assessment showed it had
    • A warship has been deployed to the Mediterranean Sea to destroy potential threats to Russian forces in Syria 
    • Britain has declared military back-up is on standby to support Turkey in any revenge attack by Putin's forces

     

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3332790/Monstrous-new-crisis-Russia-s-downed-jet-Putin-s-fury-stab-terror-accomplices-Moscow-analyst-warns-war-likely-Moscow-analyst.html

     

    "moscow expert warns war is likely"    surely not!!

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    "moscow expert warns war is likely"    surely not!!

     

     

    No and two Russians died navigator was recovered... but then again this artical was last updated at 8 am.. It is a fast moving news story 

     

    Reuters: surviving pilot from the downed Russian jet says there were no visual or radio warnings from Turkey according to RIA news agency

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    Fears of multiple explosions in Ankara, police on alert, reports of injuries & panic

     

    breaking news  

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  • Location: Sedgley Black country 731ft 222 metres
  • Location: Sedgley Black country 731ft 222 metres

    Multiple explosions reported in Turkish capital Ankara

    Multiple explosions were heard in the Turkish capital Ankara, it has been reported.

    Police are apparently on alert and there have been reports of injuries and panic, RT.com reports.

    It’s not known if it has any relation to the Russian jet downed by Turkey yesterday.

     

     
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