Jump to content
Cold?
Local
Radar
Snow?

The Middle East...where Are Events Taking Us?


Recommended Posts

Posted
  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

    Rise in Violence in Syria Displaces Tens of Thousands

     

    BEIRUT, Lebanon — A tenuous truce in the Syrian countryside north of the city of Homs was shattered this month, when Russian warplanes started to attack the village of Ter Ma’aleh, killing at least a dozen people and sending most of the residents into hurried exile.

     

    The assault on the village was part of a wider escalation of violence across the country that has displaced tens of thousands of people in just weeks and led relief workers to warn that Syria is facing one of its most serious humanitarian crises of the civil war.

     

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/27/world/middleeast/syria-russian-air-strike-refugees.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0

    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Spotted a post you think may be an issue? Please help the team by reporting it.
    • Replies 4.4k
    • Created
    • Last Reply

    Top Posters In This Topic

    Top Posters In This Topic

    Popular Posts

    There is no other description for what is happening other than war crime and genocide.   Israel is technically the occupying force on Gaza and as such is duty bound to protect civilians.   Complet

    The scenes in Gaza look like the aftermath of a nuclear bomb, utter devastation. The Israelis telling people to go back to their homes in northern Gaza as its "safe", what are they supposed to go back

    Reported on the BBC too... An air strike on an army camp has killed three soldiers, the Syrian government says, blaming the US-led coalition for the attack. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-

    Posted Images

    Posted
  • Location: Leeds/Bradford border, 185 metres above sea level, around 600 feet
  • Location: Leeds/Bradford border, 185 metres above sea level, around 600 feet

    With Fallon having the audacity to state that  "We can no longer  expect others to clear up this mess for us" and so is working very hard to convince MPs that a second vote is needed to this time allow the Brits to enter into the Syrian debacle, one has to ask on which side would we be fighting?   If MPs are stupid enough to give the Government the OK, then be it on their heads the nightmare that will follow!

     

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-25/einsteinian-insanity-us-saudi-arabia-pledge-provide-more-guns-ammo-syrian-proxy-armi

     

    Unfortunately we have to weaken the Russian position and we can't do that outside Syria. 

     

    I took it to mean that he was referring to (us) being Britain.    Because of the first Parliamentary NO vote against action in Syria 2 years ago,  we are not allowed to give assistance in combating Isis in Syria presently without obtaining further Parliamentary permission. That is why he is pushing hard for a second vote.

     

    Well, legally we can but it would be very bad politics.

     

    I blame Blair, he set the precedent for asking parliaments permission and Cameron was stupid enough to do the same. He should have used the Royal Prerogative and let the electorate give their verdict in 2015.

    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

    There is a letter in the Times today that reflects my own view. An extract:

     

    The roots of Isis are entwined with that of Islamic extremism in general, and stretch back more than 100 years to the radical preacher Izz ad-Din al-Qassam. The hatred that Isis espouses was being distilled throughout the 1950s and 1960s by the likes of Sayyid Qutb and Abdullah Yusuf Azzam, all of whom have advocated violence as a legitimate means to an end. The pathway to Isis was laid long before Mr Blair moved into Downing Street. Suggestions that those who don the black masks of Isis are doing so on account of decisions made by western governments since the 1990s are guilty of oversimplifying history.

    • Like 2
    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: London
  • Weather Preferences: Sunny weather regardless of the season, thunder storms, frost, snow
  • Location: London

    There is a letter in the Times today that reflects my own view. An extract:

     

    The roots of Isis are entwined with that of Islamic extremism in general, and stretch back more than 100 years to the radical preacher Izz ad-Din al-Qassam. The hatred that Isis espouses was being distilled throughout the 1950s and 1960s by the likes of Sayyid Qutb and Abdullah Yusuf Azzam, all of whom have advocated violence as a legitimate means to an end. The pathway to Isis was laid long before Mr Blair moved into Downing Street. Suggestions that those who don the black masks of Isis are doing so on account of decisions made by western governments since the 1990s are guilty of oversimplifying history.

     

    Good post knocker. Personally I agree with you on the history of Islamic extremism but I do think the actions of western governments in the last 20 years have contributed to geo-political instability that has enabled the likes of Isis to flourish and grow. 

    • Like 2
    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

    Good post knocker. Personally I agree with you on the history of Islamic extremism but I do think the actions of western governments in the last 20 years have contributed to geo-political instability that has enabled the likes of Isis to flourish and grow. 

     

    Oh I'm not denying western governments played their part in the whole sorry mess, just it wasn't the major role that many make out. In the 1990s and early 2000s Iraq had been reduced to a basket case by Saddam, it was bankrupt and people were starving. whist he and his minions still lived the high life. If ever a country, particularly in the Middle East. was rife for revolution it was it. And at the time IS and Al-Queda were girding there loins, the former was an affiliate of the latter at the time. We will never know how it would have panned out but it sure as hell wouldn't have been good

    • Like 1
    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Powys Mid Wales borders.
  • Location: Powys Mid Wales borders.

    Hersh Vindicated? Turkish Whistleblowers Corroborate Story on False Flag Sarin Attack in Syria.

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/10/23/hersh-vindicated-turkish-whistleblowers-corroborate-story-on-false-flag-sarin-attack-in-syria/

    This is quite the bombshell delivered by two CHP deputies in the Turkish parliament and reported by Today’s Zaman, one of the top dailies in Turkey.

    It supports Seymour Hersh’s reporting that the notorious sarin gas attack at Ghouta was a false flag orchestrated by Turkish intelligence in order to cross President Obama’s chemical weapons “red line†and draw the United States into the Syria war to topple Assad.

    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Sheffield South Yorkshire 160M Powering the Sheffield Shield
  • Weather Preferences: Any Extreme
  • Location: Sheffield South Yorkshire 160M Powering the Sheffield Shield

    Good post knocker. Personally I agree with you on the history of Islamic extremism but I do think the actions of western governments in the last 20 years have contributed to geo-political instability that has enabled the likes of Isis to flourish and grow. 

    Agree with this.

    Those who think that the actions of the west are not in anyway responsible are guilty of ignoring the fact or more likely completely misunderstanding that such actions have made the recruitment to extremist ranks much easier and accelerated the issue a 100 times more over.

    Making the same mistake again and agreeing with such actions can only be described as foolish

    Even worse they don't understand the actions will result in further terrorism and increase of extremism on our own doorstep.

    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Devizes Wiltshire
  • Location: Devizes Wiltshire

    http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc-news/watch/u.s.-boots-on-ground-to-fight-isis-552828995791

     

    U.S. boots on ground to fight Isis Defense secretary Ash Carter told the Senate Armed Services Committee that the US military will put boots on the ground in a direct fight to attack Isis in Iraq and Syria. NBC’s Chief Pentagon Correspondent Jim Miklaszewski explains how everyone agrees that the current plan to fight Isis is not working and why the defense secretary announced this change.

    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Lochgelly - Highest town in Fife at 150m ASL.
  • Weather Preferences: Snow and cold. Enjoy all extremes though.
  • Location: Lochgelly - Highest town in Fife at 150m ASL.

    I would have thought that this is an absolutely insane move by the US.   Would they not need UN approval first anyway to go ahead with this in Syria?  If applied for and granted, queue us and a HOC vote no doubt because Fallon is just itching!

     

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/28/opinion/the-military-escalation-in-iraq-and-syria.html?_r=0 

    Edited by Blitzen
    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Lochgelly - Highest town in Fife at 150m ASL.
  • Weather Preferences: Snow and cold. Enjoy all extremes though.
  • Location: Lochgelly - Highest town in Fife at 150m ASL.
    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Mostly Watford but 3 months of the year at Capestang 34310, France
  • Weather Preferences: Continental type climate with lots of sunshine with occasional storm
  • Location: Mostly Watford but 3 months of the year at Capestang 34310, France

    http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc-news/watch/u.s.-boots-on-ground-to-fight-isis-552828995791

     

    U.S. boots on ground to fight Isis Defense secretary Ash Carter told the Senate Armed Services Committee that the US military will put boots on the ground in a direct fight to attack Isis in Iraq and Syria. NBC’s Chief Pentagon Correspondent Jim Miklaszewski explains how everyone agrees that the current plan to fight Isis is not working and why the defense secretary announced this change.

    Well they can leave us out this time - we have lost too many good people already in questionable ventures in the Middle East.

    • Like 1
    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Lochgelly - Highest town in Fife at 150m ASL.
  • Weather Preferences: Snow and cold. Enjoy all extremes though.
  • Location: Lochgelly - Highest town in Fife at 150m ASL.

    Well they can leave us out this time - we have lost too many good people already in questionable ventures in the Middle East.

    Totally agree.........I hope that a majority of MP's are of the same opinion!

    • Like 1
    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Beccles, Suffolk.
  • Weather Preferences: Thunder, snow, heat, sunshine...
  • Location: Beccles, Suffolk.

    Totally agree.........I hope that a majority of MP's are of the same opinion!

    Although, with current domestic omnishambles in full flow, I wouldn't be too hopeful?

    • Like 1
    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Powys Mid Wales borders.
  • Location: Powys Mid Wales borders.

    MSNBC Apologizes After Accidentally Telling the Truth About Israel.

     

    MSNBC aired a well-known, but controversial graphic that illustrates how Israel has taken over Palestine as the occupation of the region has grown over time.

    http://theantimedia.org/msnbc-apologizes-after-accidentally-telling-the-truth-about-israel/

     

    MSNBC_Map_Cropped.jpg?b8b147

    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

    If you are so interested in the truth perhaps a mention of the 48, 67 and 73 wars would be appropriate when Israel fought for it's very existence against the invading Arab hordes armed to the teeth with Soviet supplied weapons in the last two instances. Not forgetting of course the continual insurgence of terrorists in the interim years. It was after the 67 war that the territory expanded significantly.

    • Like 1
    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Clayton-Le-Woods, Chorley 59m asl.
  • Weather Preferences: very cold frosty days, blizzards, very hot weather, floods, storms
  • Location: Clayton-Le-Woods, Chorley 59m asl.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/28/turkish-police-storm-opposition-media-offices-as-election-looms

     

    Turkish police storm opposition media offices as election looms

    Clashes break out in Istanbul after government seizes 22 companies linked to critic of President ErdoÄŸan

     

     

    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Lochgelly - Highest town in Fife at 150m ASL.
  • Weather Preferences: Snow and cold. Enjoy all extremes though.
  • Location: Lochgelly - Highest town in Fife at 150m ASL.

    You know,  if an all out war materialises in the ME through this incessant obsession by Graham and McCain to get rid of Assad by military means only and not even attempting to resolve the issue by the use of dialogue and negotiation, then I hope that these two geriatric, warmongering fools are strapped to the first two missiles that America fires!

     

    http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2015/10/28/graham-to-military-leaders-syria-strategy-half-assed-at-best/?singlepage=true

    • Like 1
    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Lochgelly - Highest town in Fife at 150m ASL.
  • Weather Preferences: Snow and cold. Enjoy all extremes though.
  • Location: Lochgelly - Highest town in Fife at 150m ASL.

    I take it you don't agree with MaCain's quote that "Russia is a gas station masquerading as a country," then Blitzen. :)  

     

    McCain is a clown masquerading as a war hero.  :D

     

    I don't believe Russia is any worse or better  than the rest of the countries involved in this current debacle Knocker.   They are all after the same thing.  They are just using different tactics to achieve the same goal.   That's the way I see it anyway.  

    Edited by Blitzen
    • Like 1
    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Sheffield South Yorkshire 160M Powering the Sheffield Shield
  • Weather Preferences: Any Extreme
  • Location: Sheffield South Yorkshire 160M Powering the Sheffield Shield

    America has got itself in a complete mess with this one. Peddling the new cold war propaganda has really got itself and the west trapped in it's box. Until it's sorts itself out there is no hope for stable government in Syria. If it keeps on the same route it I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up shooting at it's own troops. The present policy will only result in no government if it's successful and suffering continuing for the Syrians. It will maintain the refugee crisis in Europe and how that squares with it's friends in Europe will be interesting in the long run.

    • Like 1
    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

    America has got itself in a complete mess with this one. Peddling the new cold war propaganda has really got itself and the west trapped in it's box. Until it's sorts itself out there is no hope for stable government in Syria. If it keeps on the same route it I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up shooting at it's own troops. The present policy will only result in no government if it's successful and suffering continuing for the Syrians. It will maintain the refugee crisis in Europe and how that squares with it's friends in Europe will be interesting in the long run.

     

    Who knows how it will square with it's friends in Europe. it's all of a bit of a puzzle really. I mean the fact that Russia has aided and abetted Assad in murdering 250,000 Syrians, caused the diaspora and deep distress of 12 million others, and even now is stepping up the campaign to exacerbate the problem, doesn't seem to have affected the high esteem that Russia is held by many, not  least the intelligentsia on NW.

     

    Oh and as a matter of interest could you share what your thoughts on what you consider to be a stable government given that Russia and Iran have conflicting interests neither of which include the Sunnis who comprise the majority in Syria. Or at least they did. And that doesn't include IS who seem to consider Syria as some sort of End-time prophecy.

    Edited by knocker
    • Like 2
    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Sheffield South Yorkshire 160M Powering the Sheffield Shield
  • Weather Preferences: Any Extreme
  • Location: Sheffield South Yorkshire 160M Powering the Sheffield Shield

    In the meantime the iraq inquiry will not be able until April 2016. A shocking delay of a report which will probably not say very much by the time sensitive information has been screened out.

     

    In the end we all know Blair and Bush lied and then blamed the intelligence service.

    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Devizes Wiltshire
  • Location: Devizes Wiltshire

    https://www.maannews.com//Content.aspx?id=768524

     

    BETHLEHEM (Ma'an) -- Amnesty International on Tuesday demanded that Israel stop unlawful killings in occupied Palestinian territory, stating that Israeli forces appeared to have "ripped up the rulebook."

     

    "There is mounting evidence that, as tensions have risen dramatically, in some cases Israeli forces appear to have ripped up the rulebook and resorted to extreme and unlawful measures," the group's Middle East and North Africa director, Philip Luther, said in a statement.

     

    "Intentional lethal force should only be used when absolutely necessary to protect life," he said. "Instead we are increasingly seeing Israeli forces recklessly flouting international standards by shooting to kill in situations where it is completely unjustified."

     

    The international rights group released the statement amid ongoing investigations into what it termed Israel's use of "intentional lethal force" against Palestinians "without justification."

    Investigations documented at least four cases where Palestinians were deliberately shot dead when they posed no imminent threat.

    In other cases, Palestinians were shot and left to bleed without medical attention, in violation of the prohibition of torture and other ill-treatment, the group said.

     

    Israeli police labelled the incident an "attempted stabbing," Amnesty said, but eyewitnesses said the teen posed no threat before he was shot by a soldier standing behind him six or seven times.

    Al-Atrash was then left to bleed on the ground for around 40 minutes without medical treatment. Another 20 minutes reportedly passed as the teen waited in front of the ambulance before being lifted inside and taken away.

    The eyewitness also reported seeing soldiers "bring a knife and place it in the dying man's hand," Amnesty added.

     

    I have seen the video of that it is damning 

    Edited by lfcdude
    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

    A CIA programme to supply American anti-tank missiles to Syrian rebel groups has doubled the numbers of the battle-winning system in the country since the start of a Russian offensive.

     

    The missiles have emerged as the most important weapon on the Syrian battlefield, destroying hundreds of President Assad’s armoured vehicles and helping to contain the Russian-backed government offensive.

     

    A group of “ace†operators of the BGM-71 TOW are some of the most revered figures among rebel ranks. They are now the target of counter strikes by government forces.

     

    A rebel leader said the CIA-vetted programme that provides the Saudi-bought missiles had been increased to counter the Russian-backed push.

    “The amount of support we receive from the Friends of Syria group has doubled this month since the beginning of the Russian intervention including TOW,†said Hakim, a political officer with the Free Syrian Army in the Ghab plain region. “We have enough TOW and ammunition to repel any offensive no matter how huge it is.â€

    Link to post
    Share on other sites
    Posted
  • Location: Bramley, Hampshire, 70m asl
  • Location: Bramley, Hampshire, 70m asl

    Russian passenger plane with 200+ on board reported to have crashed over Sinai peninsular.

    Metrojet (Kolavia) Airbus A321 disappeared from radar 23 mins after departing from Sharm-el-Sheikh.

     

    Technical? 

    Or shot down?

    post-1808-0-07663000-1446280326_thumb.jp

     

    sobering ...that there are 4 flights taking off from Gatwick bound for Sharm-el-Sheikh in just the next hour! How many out of the UK today?

    whether this flight was shot down or not it seems that the lesson of flying over conflict zones (MH17) has not been learnt.

    Edited by Kiwi
    Link to post
    Share on other sites

    Create an account or sign in to comment

    You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

    Create an account

    Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

    Register a new account

    Sign in

    Already have an account? Sign in here.

    Sign In Now
    ×
    ×
    • Create New...