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It would appear we are entering the '3rd wave' of the Swine Flu with I.C.U. numbers already excedeing last years 'peak' figure of 180 beds (currently 302 beds)

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Anyone not yet jabbed and in the 'at risk' groups should think about heeding their G.P.'s request for them to get the jab.

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Already had this, got prescribed tamiflu last September (2009) Have never felt so ill, though worst period lasted 3 days. On the first day I attended a gig thinking I'd be OK and not knowing it was flu. I spent the whole gig sat down outside I was burning up so much and had to go the toilet frequently to be sick too. Never felt so ill than on that night. It was a really quick deterioration too, started off thinking I was getting a cold then BAM! The chestiness side of it lasts a while too.

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Already had this, got prescribed tamiflu last September (2009) Have never felt so ill, though worst period lasted 3 days. On the first day I attended a gig thinking I'd be OK and not knowing it was flu. I spent the whole gig sat down outside I was burning up so much and had to go the toilet frequently to be sick too. Never felt so ill than on that night. It was a really quick deterioration too, started off thinking I was getting a cold then BAM! The chestiness side of it lasts a while too.

Think i've started with it today feel kike crap, Sore throat, tight chest, runny nose :cray:

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Already had this, got prescribed tamiflu last September (2009) Have never felt so ill, though worst period lasted 3 days. On the first day I attended a gig thinking I'd be OK and not knowing it was flu. I spent the whole gig sat down outside I was burning up so much and had to go the toilet frequently to be sick too. Never felt so ill than on that night. It was a really quick deterioration too, started off thinking I was getting a cold then BAM! The chestiness side of it lasts a while too.

Good good, so your going to be one of the few to see in 2011?

Think i've started with it today feel kike crap, Sore throat, tight chest, runny nose :cray:

That will be the good old common cold then. (aka man flu) Get well soon :)

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Pretty sure that swine flu was the Freshers' Flu at my (now ex) uni last year. Absolutely laid me (and one housemate, the other had got his in hospital when he broke his leg in Great Yarmouth in the summer that year) out for 24 hours, and still wasn't right for a few days after. It was terrible, I'd dragged myself into uni, thinking "oh, this is just a cold, best thing to do is get on with it", except I really started to feel like death warmed up. Got into the lab where the pounding headache was sickening, and my throat and lungs were just not healthy. Saw the day out in the lab and my walk home must have been the grimmest ever, felt like I was in some sort of trance, couldn't walk straight or move my eyes much. Then crawled into bed and had the oddest dreams, 2 recurring ones. It was like I had to mentally align and connect some pipes in order to get better, or that I had to thread something (akin to a cross stitch) in order to get better. I just stayed in bed, sweating BUCKETS and sleeping for 24 hours and was much better for it. Still a bit achey round the joints afterwards and got a wave of nausea every time I moved my eyes round to the side quickly, but other than that, was better after the bed rest. biggrin.gif

Thing is, my housemate and myself put it down to Freshers' Flu, before we looked up the symptoms of swine flu on NHS Direct. The symptoms listed there looked strangely familiar to us... unsure.gif

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As folk will probably know the 'Swine Flu' killed my dad in Aug 09' so I've seen the 'serious side of it too! Luke (special needs) and i had it in late Sept 09' but we kept ourselves isolated (he has a 'self contained' bedroom/bathroom) so the rest of the family didn't get it.

Last Tues we could see Luke was badly so kept him away from School. By Friday he had a secondary infection (often the way!) and he's been on anti-bio's since. I succumbed on Sat morning and felt worse than when they told me I had 'swine flu' (though for most H1N1 is 'mild'?) so we may both have been the 37% catching Flu'B'. I literally couldn't find the energy to move and the aches were dreadful. Because of chronic pain I use Dihydrocodiene and even on my max dose of it ,paracetamol and brufen I've been like death warmed over since!!!

Again ,we spared the family with 'isolation' ,masks and pure male guts............:smiliz19:

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Probably hitting harder with the very cold weather we've been having.

Last year I don't think I came across a single person who actually had it. I came across people who claimed they had it but they could get up and walk about and it lasted a day which isn't flu.

I see Doctors have been given the go ahead to clear the over stocks of Tamiflu which isn't a good idea. But money talks.

Luckily we never got the mutated second wave of swine flu but there's nothing to say the next bug won't be so gentle and kind to us. That was a wake up call and it's very likely the lessons weren't learnt.

anybody wants too look at the stats http://ecdc.europa.eu/en/publications/Publications/Forms/ECDC_DispForm.aspx?ID=599

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I am not convinced that Swine flu carries any greater risk then then normal flu or colds do at this time of year? Yes we see the figures for Swine flu but I would love to see what they were for other types of viruses, and I would not be surprised if their death rate was far worse ???

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I think any 'flu' can be very bad, esp. over christmas!!! Most folk have had a 'virus' and called it 'Flu' but you'll not mistake 'Flu' when you do have it. even if 'mild' the first 12 hrs will be the most horrid thing most folk will have experienced.

The old "£20 note" test says it all, if you could cross into a garden to pick up the note then you haven't got the Flu!!!

Seems we are now getting going with infection rates (Flu'B' and Swine Flu) doubling last week. In N.I. they've had a 400% rise in case!!!

It being Chrimbo there will be a lot of folk in close proximity (even snogging!) so I'd imagine another 'surge' in young folk being infected over the next 10 days.:smiliz19:

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I agree, I have probably only had proper flu about twice in my life and it is nothing like a common cold like many people seem to think. You simply don't wander about moaning or come on message boards to say you think you have swine flu, it knocks you off your feet.

Flu can be a killer whatever strain you get was the point I was making, and I am not sure we are seeing anymore total cases or fatalities then we see from the boring old flu viruses? Is it just media hype or don't people realise how many people die of flu and its related illness every year? It is a big killer with or without Swine Flu!

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I had v bad flu about 8/9 years ago (can't remember the exact year) at Xmas.

Went out on last day of work before Xmas for late afternoon drinks and within a couple of hours (literally) i was feeling like cr#p - within the next few hours i was bed ridden, sweating, sickness, raging headache.

The main difference in its early stages to getting a very heavy cold?- the Flu came on so quickly - normally with a cold i feel it coming on for a couple of days before the aches and pains kick in.

Then the major differences i can see (read this on BMA site years ago as well)

Flu v Cold -

Loss of appetite with flu - even a v heavy cold i still feel like eating

The headaches are absolutely pounding ones

Nausea/Sickness

Lower back pain

Hot & Cold sweats

Energy sapping

Then a hacking cough develops - quite bad that can actually last for weeks, maybe even into a 2nd month

When i had flu i had real ups & downs - on Boxing Day morning i still felt awful, by the early evening i felt a lot better but a few hours later i was feeling absolutely awful again - this up 7 down feeling went on for the next 2 days

Not a nice experience

Sometimes i watch footie and the commentator will say "so and so had flu earlier in the week, but he's playing today" - I DONT think so - if 'he' had flu a few days before, he sure wouldn't be able to run around a footie pitch and perform to a top pro's level, that's for sure.

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Bare in mind that at the 'peak' of last years '2nd wave' pandemic I.C.U. numbers peaked at 182. today the figure rocketed to 460 (from 302 earlier in the week). It being holiday season many 'at risk' folk (8 to 45) will be out and about socialising hard. Will we see the NHS 'overwhelmed' during the next 7 days?

We've lost the last of our sitters this evening (that's me pulling tonight and tomorrow night!) show just how 'catchy' it is as everyone exposed has succumbed. Some have been badly impacted with a period of bed rest needed the rest of us have 'med'ed up' and soldiered on.

If you have not had it take the time to get the provision you would need for a 4 or 5 day lay up (including med's) to make your misery a little easier to cope with!!!

Happy Christmas one and all!:smiliz19:

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latest report http://ecdc.europa.eu/en/publications/Publications/101223_SUR_Weekly_Influenza_Surveillance_Overview.pdf

Thankfully had a flu jab however if the strain wasn't in the jab the vaccine will be as much use as chocolate fire-guard. NHS seem to have been caught off guard and once again seem to be struggling a little bit. In future years with real term cuts they'll struggle even more.

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I'm pretty sure I had swine flu last year.

The thing that suprised me was just how quickly I went from feeling totally fine to totally dreadful in the space of about 3 hours.

We went out for the day and I started to feel a bit funny in the car on the way home. A couple of hours later I was in bed, literally shaking, trying to recall if I had ever felt that bad before.

Main symptoms for me were:

The worst sore throat I have ever had.

Major fever.

Bad Headache - mainly at the back of my head near my neck.

General muscle pain.

My lungs felt full of stuff but it was hard to cough it up.

Hardly any snot in my nose compared to most colds - for me swine flu was more about the fever and the pain than the mucus.

Before that I have only had proper flu once before back in 2000.

I would say swine flu was about the same severity but more scary because of just how fast the symptoms came on.

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I had all last week and some of the week before a 'flu' like bad cold?

I felt sick, tired to the point where I thought I'd pass out at work, had a temperature but not too bad just under 100f

I also developed a cough, lost all interest in food and on returning from work would go straight to bed for three days of the illness.

But I did go to work which is why I know I didn't have flu.

After a few days I got a bad cough and sore throat too, which I'm still waking up with at night.

I'd say I had more than the common cold but less than flu, the famous 'bug' the doctor always tells you is going around.

I had gastric flu once when I was 14 and that was the worst thing I've ever had.

I remember being bent over double in bed wretching every couple of minutes but nothing was left in, and having severe pain in my stomach and all my muscles, a head ache and having a temperature of 101'f, not having enough energy to lift my head to drink or talk.

I stayed in bed for four days and didn't sleep for 3 days and nights :(

I couldn't eat or drink anything for days and the only time I got out of bed was when my mum and sister came and helped me to the toilet for the frequent diahorriah (spelling) sessions.

The doctor gave me some anti biotics or something, and it cleared up over a week or so of hell.

There were times during the worst of it that I wished myself dead, it was so painful and acute, I've always hesitated at describing anything like influenza as being so after experiencing the real thing and feel so sorry for those poor sods who have swine flu and indeed, regular flu...I'd never wish that sort of pain on anyone.

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Mrs B had it last year worst case of flu i ever saw, so if you think you got it stay at home PLEASE

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Another factor is that a lot less people have had flu jabs this year so another reason why the figures are higher.

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latest report http://ecdc.europa.e...ce_Overview.pdf

Thankfully had a flu jab however if the strain wasn't in the jab the vaccine will be as much use as chocolate fire-guard. NHS seem to have been caught off guard and once again seem to be struggling a little bit. In future years with real term cuts they'll struggle even more.

Thanks for the link PIT! I think it'll prove an interesting resource over the next 7 weeks!

The 'timing of last years 'waves' were kind of 'out of sync with normal flu infection patterns. This year it looks closer to the norm with it peaking in the early new year.

My wonder is, with less than 90 per 1,000 having 'Flu' at the moment (as opposed to over 200 per thousand 'pandemic' level needs) we now have 460 folk with 'Flu' in I.C. U. beds (as opposed to the 180 max at the pandemics 'second wave' peak last year?) why are we not hearing 'more' about it than last year? I have seen no 'flu' adverts' or advice on how to keep 'well'?

EDIT; Interesting stats/facts here;

http://winterwatch.d...data-24-dec-10/

EDIT,EDIT:

Sour Grapes here, I've just pulled 5 'extra' shifts here 'cause folk are 'down with it' (which they are!)....how does that translate into wider 'business concerns' come the start of Jan? they said they struggled this time last year but we have 3 times as much flu (according to the link) than this time last year?

If the 'christmas timing' leads to a real 'spike' inn cases towards new year we could have a couple of weeks of mayhem in front of us yet!

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Funny thing in the last three years I met not one single person who actually has had the flu. A few claimed to have one day swine flu which of course isn't the case. When I first started work I remember almost the whole work force coming down with flu.

So if you want to keep clear of it work with me.

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I barely get ill, haven't seen a flu in many many years and definitely not Swine Flu.

All I get is one week of runny noses every year.

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Anyone who gets it will know about it. No figuring needed!

We do seem to be loosing a higher percentage of 'fit' folk (no underlying health concerns) the majority of whom are between 14 and 45. If this 'group' of folk have put themselves about over Chrimbo we can expect a surge around new year (and many folk just about to 'go down' shedding the Virus around the new year parties so another 'leap' 5 days after that!).

The 'incubation period' for the virus appears (from our experience) to be 5 or 6 days and the onset of symptoms is sudden.

You may feel over tired, 3 or 4 days into the 'gestation' period, but apart from that you'll feel OK.

Anyhow, keep well and keep the paracetamol to hand!

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I had swine flu last year it was very bad for me.

I woke up one morning and felt as if I had been hit by a train. Then the sickness and runs came then I felt like I had been hit by a car. I was in bed for four days and in a chair unqble to do anything for three days. I felt so tired and I had a temperature with it too. I did not have the cold like symptoms till the virus started to leave me after about a week. Then I had a cough as well which tired me out and made my chest ache. I had Tamiflu after about three days which helped me to shorten the illness.

I then got a chest infection after the second week and was put on anti biotics for two weeks. After I had finished with the anti biotics I still had a cough which stayed with me for a couple of months after. I did go to the doctors and I was diagnosed with Swine flu.

I Sympathise with anybody who has got this illness I never want to have it again and I am glad I am healthy.

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Thanks for that SQ1.

I lost my Father (76) to the same symptoms with the 'chronic' intestinal issues leading to kidney failure and the 'Lung' issues leading to secondary pneumonia. His onset was sudden and his 'age' did the rest.

Last years 'experience' left me with a secondary 'infection' and the 2 weeks of anti bio. This years (Flu B?) has my Sat's still at 94% (yup we have a mobile 'Sat's' monitor for Luke) 2 weeks after the infection... no infection (?) just a lot of gunk to clear out?

I blame my 'low sat.s' for how 'low' I feel ( no oxygen in yer blood, no fuel for yer muscles)?

Last years 'Swine Flu left a lot more folk (over 'twice' the normal rate?) with 'post viral malaise/syndrome' with folk suffering debilitating symptoms beyond 6 months.

I hope that the 3rd wave does not carry this burden along with it as most folk would struggle on without recognising 'why' they feel so pooh and 'displace' the 'low' onto other life situations?

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Interesting news about this. The levels of flu approaching the number in the original outbreak of swine flu. However since no proper records were kept on the previous outbreak no one really knows whether the original figure was too high or too low. I suspect they were too high. Whether we're monitoring this outbreak better or not there doesn't seem to be any information.

Anyway when schools go back things could get interesting.

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Interesting news about this. The levels of flu approaching the number in the original outbreak of swine flu. However since no proper records were kept on the previous outbreak no one really knows whether the original figure was too high or too low. I suspect they were too high. Whether we're monitoring this outbreak better or not there doesn't seem to be any information.

Anyway when schools go back things could get interesting.

The understanding I have is that wave 1 and 2 infected 'up to 1/3 of the population so there is a risk of us going "all Ukrainian" if the timings bring us a 'perfect storm' of infections?

As I've pointed out last years second wave 'collapsed' before Chrimbo and folk were sensitised, both to their own health as well as 'sick' folk around them. No warnings ,= no concerns and with Xmas celebrations, 'sale' shopping scrums, back to work, New years parties and 'back to school' all within a week the chances of a lot of folk (now carrying and shedding virus for up to 7 days?) falling poorly and infecting many more is a true potential.

I.C.U. beds now 460, a Wirral hospital suspended all 'visitors' to the wards and 'hot spots' for infections are starting to emerge (like the Ukrainian situation last year?)

The true concern of mine is that the 'serious cases' are now over twice the level than at the 'peak' of last years 'second wave' . Why should this be???

If we looked back over last years thread you'd see that I'd noticed what a Hypochondriac's dream all the hoo har would prove in reality. Every Hypo in the country will have phoned the number, read out the list of symptoms, had their 'tamiflu' and milked it for all it was worth (don't forget that I lost someone to it so I'm not belittling the illness) . How many of that 1/3 of the population were ill with a 'cold' or told they had H1N1 when it was a sore throat etc,etc?

I think that a good percentage of the population have not been exposed to the virus and it will be this 'wave' that will bring the 'over stretching' issues with a lot of folk having a 'real' bout of 'real' Flu (anyone whose had it will know you can do 'now't' for days...no matter how much you know you 'need' to do it!!!).

I'd expect 2 weeks of a rapid rises in case load and 4 to 5 weeks from now real issues impacting our infrastructure (tanker drivers, 'tesco' delivery drivers, cash machine stuffers, etc, etc).

It may only last 8 to 10 days but it will come as quite a shock to some folk and may cost lives that would be savable if wards were not running at overcapacity with staff falling foul to the virus complicating things further.

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