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Here's a new home for all the media coverage about climate change; the place for all the Red Tops, Broadsheets and Blogs.

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"Moving clocks forward by 1 hour would reduce carbon emissions"

http://www.telegraph...-emissions.html

It would also send me into a depressive spiral from which I'd never climb out of. Ticking away the seconds until this,the longest day,has seemed like an eternity already.

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Hi O.P.!

Hows about thinking a warming southern ocean has melted PIG off the undersea ridge line, that had slowed it's route into the ocean, allowing it to rapidly accelerate into the ocean?

Rather than second hand news hows about just looking at the B.A.S. site and reading their press release?

http://www.antarctic...ase.php?id=1227

The important section points out that 'recent' climate change might not have impacted the acceleration seawards as the lift from the ridge happened prior to 1970. Seeing as we have records of ice retreat for the north over a 100yr period I think it safe to assume that 'global warming' had the South under a similar regime (prior to the 'ozone hole' and it's impacts there).

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I thought the Ozone hole was partly caused by a Volcano that sits directly under the hole over the Antarctic? And so why is the Antarctic growing not shrinking?

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I thought the Ozone hole was partly caused by a Volcano that sits directly under the hole over the Antarctic? And so why is the Antarctic growing not shrinking?

LOL!

I Take it you mean the most southerly (exposed) active volcano on the planet (north of McMurdo base) on Mt Erebus (with it's permanent Lava pool.........that should give you a clue as to is 'gas levels'!!!)

Though it is nice to know folk are even working on giving us no responsibility for the formation of the Ozone hole.......it being in the atmosphere and caused by a small amount of pollution when compared to the Sulphate/soot/CO2 pollution we've hoisted up there.......I mean, what kind of a precedent would that set if a tidily amount of pollution could cause such wide ranging impacts as skin cancer ,drought in SW Australia, increased snowfall on Antarctica,increases in the circumpolar winds/current etc,etc,etc

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Do I get the impression that certain vested interests are keen to restart the manufacture of CFCs?

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Do I get the impression that certain vested interests are keen to restart the manufacture of CFCs?

I guess that would depend upon whether or not you have confidence in research from a university physics department.

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Full paper here: http://www.science.u.../Lu-2009PRL.pdf

I was showing that it really isn't as simple as saying, we're to blame, ban CFC's and the hole gets better; like so much in this debate, it's not black and white, it's mostly all grey.

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oops by the Sunday Telegraph, caught peddling denier lies...

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2010/06/leakegate-a-retraction/

They've officially had to retract a story by Jonathan Leake, where he deliberately misrepresented the Amazon non-story and misrepresented one of the scientists involved. The retraction was printed on page 2, but I imagine rather fewer people read the retraction than read (and believed) the original falsehoods. The interesting issue is who edited the story? Leake confirmed with Simon Lewis a reasonable, non-corrupted version of the story a few hours before printing, yet when printed a different story appeared with a completely different slant full of lies and misrepresentations. So was it Leake who edited the story? Monbiot has some ideas, though I wonder if he has much evidence for them:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/georgemonbiot/2010/jun/24/sunday-times-amazongate-ipcc

Leake has plenty of history of misrepresentation himself though (search Leakegate at Deltoid), and hasn't complained at being hung out to dry by the Telegraph, so the story's probably his...

The key thing is that whoever edited the story - Leake or someone else - turned what would have been a reasonably honest one into something distorted and dishonest, which then spread like a virus round the Web - see this list at Deltoid for some of those that followed it:

http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2010/06/leakegate_corrections_needed_f.php

sss

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Posted · Hidden by shuggee, June 30, 2010 - Incendary unconstructive posting
Hidden by shuggee, June 30, 2010 - Incendary unconstructive posting

http://news.bbc.co.u...nt/10456984.stm

From the 'just when you think things can't get any more ridiculous dept,they go and do precisely that'. Assuming that they really do fall for all this AGW nonsense,it's akin to smokers believing that low-tar fags are less dangerous. Still,if it eases a few bruised consciences and allows them to carry on.....

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Posted · Hidden by shuggee, June 30, 2010 - Incendary unconstructive posting
Hidden by shuggee, June 30, 2010 - Incendary unconstructive posting

http://news.bbc.co.u...nt/10456984.stm

From the 'just when you think things can't get any more ridiculous dept,they go and do precisely that'. Assuming that they really do fall for all this AGW nonsense,it's akin to smokers believing that low-tar fags are less dangerous. Still,if it eases a few bruised consciences and allows them to carry on.....

Absolutely ridiculous, as if a handful of racing cars would contribute to any notable increase in CO2 emissions. Still we have to keep the liberal do-gooders happy, it eases their affluent middle class consciences!

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On the CFCs issue, I noticed in the article comments that the paper was often misconstrued as saying "CFCs did not contribute to the hole in the ozone layer", when what it's really saying is "CFCs contributed and there is also natural variability on top of that". But indeed, I often see the opposite assumption- that CFCs in effect determine conditions in the ozone layer- which is too simplistic.

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A primary school in Portland has decided to turn off their wind turbine after it has killed 14 birds in 6 months.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/7870929/Primary-school-forced-to-turn-off-wind-turbine-after-bird-deaths.html

Corruption is widespread in scheme backed by the World Bank to pay poor countries billions of dollars a year to stop felling trees.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jul/04/united-nations-corruption-logging?CMP=AFCYAH

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Science has been changed forever by the so called climategate saga, leading researchers have said ahead of publication of an inquiry into the affair - and mostly it has been changed for the better.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jul/04/climatechange-hacked-emails-muir-russell?CMP=AFCYAH

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Science has been changed forever by the so called climategate saga, leading researchers have said ahead of publication of an inquiry into the affair - and mostly it has been changed for the better.

http://www.guardian....sell?CMP=AFCYAH

Hmmm, "leading researchers"? Curry, von Storch, Pielke Jr? Just a wee bit too much 'false balance' going on there from the media (Fred Pearce) here, as they're all from within that 2-3% of climate researchers who don't believe humans are responsible. I'd like to see a story where there are 48 different quotes from within the 97% of actively-publishing scientists on climate who believe that humans are causing a serious problem, with a single quote from a Pielke Jr for balance. That would be balanced reporting!

I also hear that Fred Pearce, author of a series of misinforming articles on 'climategate' (http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2010/02/the-guardian-disappoints/ among others), has a new book to sell on the subject. Despite the repeated clearing of the CRU scientists by inquiry after inquiry (Muir Russell reporting shortly, any bets on whether he'll find serious problems?), Pearce clearly wishes to keep a dead story floating in the hope of selling a few more copies...

That said, I agree in principle with your comment Jethro! I think this episode will have changed climate science for the better - it has exposed areas where scientists need to be even more rigorous and clear with data/archiving/access policies. Climate science can only benefit from that I think.

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It's not my comment, it was llifted straight from the article.

On the subject of balanced reporting and getting quotes from those who support AGW....I've worked on and off in the publishing world for years, freelance work, especially work from verified, legit sources is always welcome (more so if it includes quotes or opinions from those difficult to reach people) -use your contacts SSS and get writing is my advice.

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