Exceptionally Early Start To Winter

[ghrud]

Does anyone have a view on whether the early (record breaking) start to winter in parts of North America and Northern Europe will have an effect on our coming winter period?

http://austriantimes.at/news/General_News/2009-10-12/17147/Early_snow_records_set_to_be_broken

http://www.montanasnewsstation.com/Global/story.asp?S=11295113

[Backtrack]

Does anyone have a view on whether the early (record breaking) start to winter in parts of North America and Northern Europe will have an effect on our coming winter period?

http://austriantimes...et_to_be_broken

http://www.montanasn....asp?S=11295113

Don't forget New Zealand, they have had very early snowfall. The Siberian winter has already kicked off over there, as been discussed we could get a cold start from an easterly/northerly.

Edited October 13, 2009 by Hancock

[willinkent]

23cm snow in sarajevo this morning 8am and it was 24c three days ago..... early start to winter in balkans

[Cleeve Hill]

Levi, Finland had 20cm about 7 days ago, and daytime highs still around 0C. Things dont usually start to get cold until early Nov.

[Essan]

Don't forget New Zealand, they have had very early snowfall

I think you mean late snowfall :winky:

Anyway, my guess is that it has no bearing on what we may get this winter. After all, parts of Australia have had a very hot start to spring!

[Marcus_surfer]

Temperatures in Finland and Lapland have been dropping off by night, as low as -18 Degrees in some places of Lapland...Is this early start to winter?

[Nick L]

Don't forget New Zealand, they have had very early snowfall. The Siberian winter has already kicked off over there, as been discussed we could get a cold start from an easterly/northerly.

Couple of points...It is mid-Spring in New Zealand and the Siberian cold must have travelled a very long way!

[SP1986]

I think if there is to be a cold winter in the parts that have already got an early start, you just get the feeling that the warmth has to go somewhere..

[Methuselah]

Well, it's certainly a good sign IMO...Whether or not it affects us here, however, is a different matter altogether. Anyway, here's hoping for a repeat of late December 1990! :winky:

[Nick L]

I think if there is to be a cold winter in the parts that have already got an early start, you just get the feeling that the warmth has to go somewhere..

Well it's happened many times before :winky:

[Pennine Ten Foot Drifts]

Well, it's certainly a good sign IMO...Whether or not it affects us here, however, is a different matter altogether. Anyway, here's hoping for a repeat of late December 1990!

Or maybe even December 1981 (fat chance............)

No, as the Austrian report says, the records which are due to be broken were only set in 2007, and I can't remember 2007 being anything remarkable over here, and a week ago record high temperatures were being set.

[jethro]

In 1981 there was record low snow cover in North America and Eastern Europe; doesn't bode well if there's a correlation for our winter.

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[Tubs]

In 1981 there was record low snow cover in North America and Eastern Europe; doesn't bode well if there's a correlation for our winter.

All makes interesting reading. Time to order more oil or coal?

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[stewfox]

All makes interesting reading. Time to order more oil or coal?

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I think Jethro is suggesting that their isnt a correlation so dont over stock yet

Of course some people believe because it snows in New York it will follow the planes on the way back to the UK.

It would if course be good for snow lovers, if we were totally surrounded by cold.

I would prefer to see -10c in Paris and 5c here rather then 4c here and 4c in Paris

Its good to see 'the spin for cold' is as good as 'the spin for warm'.

http://cbs2chicago.com/local/october.cold.record.2.1247099.html

The 82yrs is of course referring to just the coldest 13th October on record. I had to read it twice.

[Mondy]

30cm of snow in parts of Poland last I read.

It was t-shirt wearing time same place the week before..

[cold snap]

Poland has snow and lots of it just seen on world cup match

Can the experts explain why.please

BBC link below

look at video .WOW

http://news.bbc.co.u...ope/8307661.stm

Edited October 14, 2009 by cold snap

[pyrotech]

Poland has snow and lots of it just seen on world cup match

Can the experts explain why.please

BBC link below

look at video .WOW

http://news.bbc.co.u...ope/8307661.stm

yes

Lowest solar minimum for years. This has an effect on global temperatures which leads to global cooling. I know there are alot of sceptics on here but its proven fact that prolonged deep solar minimum has effects on climate and low sun spot activity sends temps lower with a time lag of a few years.

We will still need the right set up to give us snow, but i believe the more years it continues the more w will head back to 80s seasons.

For more on this se the climate change forum - UK & western Europe.

[MR EXTREMES]

just goes there some nice cold bottled up wether its gonna be cold here in the uk is another story but the northern hemisphere has been showing it can produce i think this year is going to catch most by suprise but i could be wrong.

[Methuselah]

yes

Lowest solar minimum for years. This has an effect on global temperatures which leads to global cooling. I know there are alot of sceptics on here but its proven fact that prolonged deep solar minimum has effects on climate and low sun spot activity sends temps lower with a time lag of a few years.

We will still need the right set up to give us snow, but i believe the more years it continues the more w will head back to 80s seasons.

For more on this se the climate change forum - UK & western Europe.

Or, far more likely IMO, it's merely one of Natures little quirks: synoptical patterns always ensure that, when one particular place is 'cold' another is 'warm'? Recall Britain's 'early winter' of November 1988?

PS: I'm not dissing Solar Minimum theories at all. But, IMO, it's a tad premature to label the current minimum 'prolonged'???

[pyrotech]

Or, far more likely IMO, it's merely one of Natures little quirks: synoptical patterns always ensure that, when one particular place is 'cold' another is 'warm'? Recall Britain's 'early winter' of November 1988?

PS: I'm not dissing Solar Minimum theories at all. But, IMO, it's a tad premature to label the current minimum 'prolonged'???

Solar minimum and the effects are facts, obviously even if the effects have started the synoptical patterns will have an effect which can make huge differences to both extremes. My point is that the effects are accumalating, its not one area, its not just a recovery in sea ice. Its an accumalation of all these. A deep solar minimum will have a huge effect on temperatures and w are currently in the deepest for a century. during a priod of high solar activity the climate has warmed, Now in deep minimum its began to cool. Those who like cold and snow your time may be coming, its the longer the minimum the bettr the chance. Ice on canals last year like not seen for years.

its a case of watch the sun and maybe we will all learn something new if this minimum continues. Could be an interesting time that we are entering

[cheeky_monkey]

A deep solar minimum will have a huge effect on temperatures and w are currently in the deepest for a century. during a priod of high solar activity the climate has warmed, Now in deep minimum its began to cool.

thats right i am really struggling with this run of cooler weather so much so that next month i might have to put a jumper on.

[ghrud]

As well as the early start to winter being reported in the media also noted two reports about age of sea ice which contradict each other.

According to the NSIDC, second-year ice this summer made up 32% of the total ice cover on the Arctic Ocean, compared with 21% in 2007 and 9% in 2008. Clearly, Arctic sea ice is not following the consensus touted by Gore and the warm-mongers.

Full article can be found here http://fourwinds10.com

...and

The Arctic Ocean could be largely ice-free and open to shipping during the summer in as little as ten years' time, a top polar specialist has said.

Full article here http://news.bbc.co.uk

Hope we don't have to wait too long to find out who's right!