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Because that is term that is true and cannot be refuted......very clever. I have said before that if in 10 -15 years it becomes clear we are cooling [which I think it will] the AGW lobby etc will claim that the carbon tactics have worked and reversed the trend. Its a win win

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Because the trendies cant prove global warming is taken place,they need to find a new trendy word to relaunch there scaremongering tacticts.(the latest ippc report on global warming sponsored by the goverment written by ten unqualified scientists)

I'll give you one thing, you are a top class conspiracy monger :yahoo:

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Because the trendies cant prove global warming is taken place,they need to find a new trendy word to relaunch there scaremongering tacticts.(the latest ippc report on global warming sponsored by the goverment written by ten unqualified scientists)

Can anyone see the irony? :yahoo:

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Can anyone see the irony? :yahoo:

Far too clearly I'm afraid...

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Record breaking cold in Maine, USA.....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/world/news/26032008news.shtml

At least it is winter there, it will be interesting to see what transpires in the Southern winter based on the ice position at the end of their summer (despite all the crap you hear about ice shelves breaking up) :doh:

The full Wilkins 6,000 square mile ice shelf is just 0.39% of the current Antarctic ice cover (just 0.1% of the extent last September). A very small piece broke off as an iceberg (37 square miles). Then only a small portion of it around 160 square miles partially disintegrated late this February into early March. That represents just 2.67% of the full Wilkins ice sheet and 0.01% of the total Antarctic icecover (0.003% of its level last September), a little like an icicle falling from a snow and ice cover roof. No big deal (unless you are standing beneath it).

And this winter is coming on quickly. Satellite images show the ice has already refrozen around the broken pieces and expanded. In fact the ice is returning so fast, it is running an amazing 60% ahead (4.0 vs 2.5 million square km extent) of last year when it set a new record. The ice extent is already approaching the second highest level for extent since the measurements began by satellite in 1979 and just a few days into the Southern Hemisphere fall season and 6 months ahead of the peak. We are very likely going to exceed last year's record. Yet the world is left with the false impression Antarctica's ice sheet is also starting to disappear....

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At least it is winter there, it will be interesting to see what transpires in the Southern winter based on the ice position at the end of their summer (despite all the crap you hear about ice shelves breaking up) :)

Crap? I think a little bit more respect for other people views might be in order?

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Crap? I think a little bit more respect for other people views might be in order?

Practise what you preach - yours from other thread.

I think sceptics are having fun atm what with La Nina and the current average months (though March may well be warm globally), but, lets seen what happens when warming resumes in ernest in the next year or two. I'm happy to stand by the science - if it's wrong (not lies, wrong - big difference) then I wont deny that, but if it's right there is, imo, no way people like the CEI will stop spouting claptrap - though in those circumstances I'd expect scepticism to lessen.

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Practise what you preach - yours from other thread.

Please note the times of the two respective posts. First I noted the use of the word crap, noted I didn't like it, noted nothing was done about it and drew the obvious conclusion that use of that word was OK so, secondly, I used it. So, I used it (also partly to see if people here have double standards) - and you noticed I'd used it....

I've also noted that words like 'liar' and 'fraud' were used yesterday. I haven't used them (nor, unless extremely provoked will I) but I don't see why I shouldn't? I mean if such disrespectful words can be used by some of us why not all of us? What's sauce for the goose and all that.

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It's caused by Global Warming silly. :)

Mr S. is correct. The extra energy the added heat puts into the system leads to more and more dynamic exchanges in the system. As you see from the record that has fallen 1.5 inches was their previous 'record' which was doubled by the 3 inches that fell. It's like the snow that fell in Somalia 2 years back......extremes in weather are the signature of AGW and we have a lot more to come.....however I don't think you'll see the same folk trumpetting on about the continued droughts,high temps,arctic ice melt,Antarctic shelf collapse etc,etc.

As you can see by much of Eurasia there has been a very high temp anom throughout the winter so the cold that would normally spread down into the region is forced elsewhere when displaced by warm incursions into the arctic. Of course, these are '2 day wonders' as the airmass is rapidly modified in keeping with it's location.

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Mr S. is correct. The extra energy the added heat puts into the system leads to more and more dynamic exchanges in the system. As you see from the record that has fallen 1.5 inches was their previous 'record' which was doubled by the 3 inches that fell. It's like the snow that fell in Somalia 2 years back......extremes in weather are the signature of AGW and we have a lot more to come.....however I don't think you'll see the same folk trumpetting on about the continued droughts,high temps,arctic ice melt,Antarctic shelf collapse etc,etc.

As you can see by much of Eurasia there has been a very high temp anom throughout the winter so the cold that would normally spread down into the region is forced elsewhere when displaced by warm incursions into the arctic. Of course, these are '2 day wonders' as the airmass is rapidly modified in keeping with it's location.

I assume its record snow for March ? Not for any winter ??? If its for any winter that would be something

Individual records dont mean anything (unless your driving in it !)

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As you can see by much of Eurasia there has been a very high temp anom throughout the winter so the cold that would normally spread down into the region is forced elsewhere when displaced by warm incursions into the arctic. Of course, these are '2 day wonders' as the airmass is rapidly modified in keeping with it's location.

But is the displacement caused by GW? In fact, the above may actually make it seem that GW isnt actually happening, but perhaps there is just a displacement of the cold and/or warm sectors?

I assume its record snow for March ? Not for any winter ??? If its for any winter that would be something

Individual records dont mean anything (unless your driving in it !)

Partly correct from my POV SF. The shorter the time frame, in terms of record, the less meaningful (i.e. a yearly record is more meaningful than a monthly record, which is more meaningful than a daily record).

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It's caused by Global Warming silly. :)

Silly me, indeed. :) I don't know what came over me to ask such a question! :)

(Note to self......read paper and watch news so that you know what is happening and why! :) )

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Silly me, indeed. :) I don't know what came over me to ask such a question! :)

(Note to self......read paper and watch news so that you know what is happening and why! :) )

You just don't understand. Only the worlds smartest scientists and socialists can understand how all the extra heat from the greenhouse affect can cause record snowfalls and record low temps.

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You just don't understand. Only the worlds smartest scientists and socialists can understand how all the extra heat from the greenhouse affect can cause record snowfalls and record low temps.

Quite right, bluecon.......'tis well beyond my comprehension! :doh:

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.....and another snow record goes....in part of N. America.....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/world/news/28032008news.shtml

Is N. America affected by El Nino/La Nina or is this being caused by something else? Genuine question. :help:

Do you think you could stop posting record snow events? They really bear no indication of actual cold and the frequency with which they are posted is getting tiresome. If you can find cold then by all means post it, but snow in itself gives absolutely no evidence whatsoever as to whether somewhere is colder than normal, wetter than normal, or even slightly warmer and wetter than normal. It is perfectly feasible for Siberia to experience record snowfall but to be simultaneously 10c above the monthly mean.

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Do you think you could stop posting record snow events? They really bear no indication of actual cold and the frequency with which they are posted is getting tiresome. If you can find cold then by all means post it, but snow in itself gives absolutely no evidence whatsoever as to whether somewhere is colder than normal, wetter than normal, or even slightly warmer and wetter than normal. It is perfectly feasible for Siberia to experience record snowfall but to be simultaneously 10c above the monthly mean.

Err i do not wish to rain on any ones parade old chap but you should at least look at the title of the thread you are posting in. :doh::doh: it is strangly called "recent and ongoing cold and SNOW records" :rolleyes: that i believe entails people posting links to recently broken cold and snow records being...well broken so to speak :o have nice day :)

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Do you think you could stop posting record snow events? They really bear no indication of actual cold and the frequency with which they are posted is getting tiresome. If you can find cold then by all means post it, but snow in itself gives absolutely no evidence whatsoever as to whether somewhere is colder than normal, wetter than normal, or even slightly warmer and wetter than normal. It is perfectly feasible for Siberia to experience record snowfall but to be simultaneously 10c above the monthly mean.

Honestly Yeti, by making such pettifogging and logical arguments you clearly show that you quite misunderstand the point of this thread: to provide a secure environment for a handful of members to amuse each other by pretending that the greater the number of news reports of local cold/snow (regardless of context, statistical significance or relevance) the more obviously venal/stupid are the so-called 'scientists' and their dupes who peddle the self-evidently absurd notion of AGW.

Leave them be: they are quite harmless.

regards

ACB

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Honestly Yeti, by making such pettifogging and logical arguments you clearly show that you quite misunderstand the point of this thread: to provide a secure environment for a handful of members to amuse each other by pretending that the greater the number of news reports of local cold/snow (regardless of context, statistical significance or relevance) the more obviously venal/stupid are the so-called 'scientists' and their dupes who peddle the self-evidently absurd notion of AGW.

Leave them be: they are quite harmless.

regards

ACB

They just don't understand that all the cold weather and snow is caused by the huge amounts of heat trapped in the atmosphere by a slight increase in CO2. Much to tricky a concept for most people to understand.

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Do you think you could stop posting record snow events? They really bear no indication of actual cold and the frequency with which they are posted is getting tiresome. If you can find cold then by all means post it, but snow in itself gives absolutely no evidence whatsoever as to whether somewhere is colder than normal, wetter than normal, or even slightly warmer and wetter than normal. It is perfectly feasible for Siberia to experience record snowfall but to be simultaneously 10c above the monthly mean.

With regard to your question.....no. :rolleyes:

Nor is it for you to dictate what can and cannot be posted. If a moderator wants the thread closed then so be it, but as far as I am concerned, it is a useful record of such events. :doh:

If you find it tiresome, then don't read it. :doh:

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